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On the subject of using blood battlefield spells:

It is certainly possible to cast one blood spell without either blood hunting or researching blood magic, and that would be 'Bleed'.

I was assuming that it is legal to cast Bleed since it does not violate the rules as stated so clearly in Wraithlord's above post. In fact, I just happen to have a mage set up to do exactly that if needed. I got an event where I received 16 blood slaves and I also happen to have a sauromancer with the random blood school.

So - is Bleed legal or not? (Not that this is a game turning spell http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif )

I did offer to trade my free slaves to Folket for gems, but he declined to do so.

I agree that the rules were clearly stated in that the sole use of the 3 blood slaves per turn for Mictlan was to spread dominion in order to avoid the quick dominion death.

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Yah, that wouldn't violate the rules, albeit it does illustrate why it's hard to setup a game like this: if you script a mage to cast Bleed, it's hard to tell if you're actually doing some blood hunting on the side.

Then again, why someone would waste a mage's time blood hunting when they can't get blood summons or items is beyond me. (Unless they figured to get a blood stone or some such equiped on a stealthy mage.)

*sigh* You know what the kicker is? I found Mount Chaining this game (40% bonus to blood summons), was all excited until I remembered no blood magic. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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I had to laugh my a$$ over this one. Mount Chaining is practically a guaranteed winner site for any blood nation (Jotun qualifies), and you CANT EVEN USE IT!!!

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I think there is a 60 blood bonus site.

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There is also a 20 (unholy 3) and a 30 (blood 3) in addition to the 60 (blood 3). But all three of these are rare. Of these, the only one I have ever heard about actually occuring in an MP game is the Summoning Circle (60 bonus).

The Mount Chaining is not only merely uncommon, it is also a level 1 site (meaning it can be easily found), and it is availiable on any land terrain. In other words, far too common and much too easy to find for the huge bonus it gives.

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Since Mictlan needs to blood sacrifice for spreading dominions they are an exception to this rule. Mictlan is allowed to blood hunt but are prohibited from blood research and the forging of items that require blood slaves (with the exception of the jade knife).

A loophole in this rule is that I may summon spine fiends and fiends of darkness.

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Yes, this is true since it is your national spell. Maybe I should withdraw my offer to trade my slaves to you... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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I was under the impression that this is not true. NO ONE is allowed to blood hunt, even Mictlan. You may only use your starting slaves and nothing else.

If this IS true, then I will attempt to kill you immediately to prevent you from getting the usual horde of fiends. In fact, if I notice that you are blood hunting, then we are at war right now to the death.

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You probably want to go to war anyways, he has got a good start, and will have my capitol shortly.

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That loophole is bogus, national spell or not. The intent was to not have anyone getting huge swarms of summoned creatures, via the very low magic site setting, which is why Wraithlord wanted to discourage you from playing Mictlan, since blood income isn't affected by the setting. If you start blood hunting and summoning fiends, you're essentially cheating.

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You won't need to use them if you configed like you did in Schitz.

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I know, that is why I'm trying to lobby for that mictlan should be able to use blood magic as normal but that they should not be allowed to blood hunt.

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This is indeed a loophole. It is against the spirit of the rule, but certainly the way the rule was phrased it is indeed allowed. Had this apparent loophole been brought up while we were setting up the game we would not have allowed it, either we would have added an exception to the rule or resort to simply banning the blood nations.

Folket, since this loophole does exist I feel like I can't just ask you not to exploit it, though I would certainly have preferred that you don't.

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I have only myself to blame, for I did not read the rules closely enough when it was modified to allow Mictlan to blood hunt. Had I noticed that, I surely would have objected. Without blood hunting, he could not get more than a handful of fiends, which would be not a big deal. With blood hunting on a rich world, though, he could easily get hundreds of them.

It was much simpler when the rule was 'No Blood Hunting allowed'.

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I thought it was everyone's understanding that the only reason Mictlan would be able to hunt was to use the slaves for sacrafices. That was what I got out of the whole exchange, national spell, wording or not.

You specifically said under the rule mictlan would be useless and you suggested another nation be picked.

What was said surrounding the rule allowed for no loopholes. The subsequent discussions and clarification replaces or atleast amends the rule in the first post.

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I re-read the entire thread just in case, and the actual determination was:

Blood Slaves
1) They can only be used by Mictlan
2) Can only be used for sacrafice

I for instance can't use them for sacrafice (I have +1 per turn atm). Wraith took the wording from one of the posts, but everyone was on the same page, and only made that concesion due to the fact that you wanted to play Mictlan.

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I can live with this determination. If Mictlan wants to blood hunt a lot and spread dominion like crazy, he knows that his neighbors will retaliate. I notice that he has not done this as yet, for his dominion is very low.

It means he cannot summon fiends. It also means that I cannot cast 'Bleed'. So I moved my blood slaves over to a commander without blood magic and they will now act like weak, berserked troops.

I also decided to not invade Mictlan, giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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Gotta agree with OG_Gleep : as I said, Mictlan using blood spells is cheating, given the discussion that went on and the obvious intent. The fact that there's a technical loophole doesn't mean it isn't cheating. But maybe Mictlan has a politician or lawyer for pretender? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

( Perhaps in the future, blood can be modded out : if all blood summons were made 500 blood slaves, ditto all items, no one would even be tempted. )

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I would say that we have a consensus that Micltan can only use blood slaves for dominions spread.

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Some one would...if only to say...."Yes I am kicking your *** that bad"

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yea, i can see some-one summoning an army of spine devils just to rub it in some-ones face (or just getting ALL the arch devils, ice devils, heliophagi and demon lords)

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I'm screwing up the game. I apologize, I thought I could handle PBEM. My memory is really bad due to side effects of certain things, and normally I keep track of my games via gods eye. Its not going to get any better as life is hectic around my house atm.

Again I apologize..I'll stay out of PBEMs.

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OG_Gleep, can you find a sub for yourself?

Otherwise we will need to find a sub for OG_Gleep, hence I will delay further hosting for a few day until such time as we do.
Later today I shall start a thread here asking for a sub.

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i could take over for him if you want (who cares if im already in 2 pbem and 1 server game)

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shovah, it the peak of my carrier I was in 8 games. At the moment I'm in 5 games.

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Thanks Shovah. I'll send you the PW.

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Welcome aboard http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Oh and I shall need your email.

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pmed you my email

Request for Hosting Pause
 

I (Pythium) will be away from assured internet access from Friday till Sunday night. I think I will be able to complete the next turn if it is the one that is available tonight/early tommorrow. But I am afraid I would miss the weekend hosting deadline. Can that one please be paused till my return Monday?

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So we shall postpone the Friday hosting to Monday evening (GMT time).

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Appriciate it Shovah. I feel terrible for getting to this point. This makes me feel much better.

Sory again guys, and good luck.

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Doesn't matter to me. Mictlan is just keeping me alive for my decent domain. So my turn consists of giving away gold and gems that will hopefully be used to kill him later http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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If the Friday host is in the evening, yes, please. If it is before 10 a.m. Eastern U.S. tomorrow, I can do it before I set out.

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Postponing over the weekend and hosting Monday is fine with me.

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Speaking of subs:

I am heading out of town this weekend. If anyone is not playing in either of these two games I could really use a sub:

Schitzor
Random Nations (hosted by Graeme)

I'll be gone till Sunday, if you can, PM me and I'll send the info.

Thansk.

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i havnt recieved an email containing the game yet so...

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Strange, as I have sent it to you today. I've resent it just in case.

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Turn 21 sent.

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Turn 22 sent.

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Turn 23 sent.

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On turn 23 Marignon, led by Oversway, has been vanquished.
Thanks Oversway for playing.

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Yeah I did horribly this game. I always try to go for good scales and it rarely works out http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Thanks for hosting!

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I need CB 5.2 or else I will not be able to play my turn.

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I have sent it to you.

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Strange thing happened when I have hosted turn 24.
The hosting gave an error saying something like "Ctis password is wrong". I suspect the game had regarded the Ctis 2h file as illegal for some reason.

Is it possible to rehost the same turn if I have all the .2h files?

I am delaying sending the new turns until I have a better understanding of the problem and how to fix it.

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It appears that in order to re host, the saved game files are needed. Unfortunately I haven't saved them and as a result Ctis will stale this turn. From now on I will make sure the turn are saved prior to hosting!

I will send the turns this evening.

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Turn 24 sent.

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im going to have to bail out guys, i dont know why but i just dont like this game. i'll do this turn and start looking for a replacement ok?

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Might I suggest that the first post gets updated to show who the hades took over nations? I mean, Shovah is quitting - he was even in the bloody game??? Not according to the original post.

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He took over for me.