Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

I recall seeing something about Kara and Adama getting involved. If they go down that road I will have no choice but to gouge out my sole remaining eye and shoot myself.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Jamie bamber had an interview about that topic recently, I can't recall the full text of it either. But I think he was talking about how the relationships in the show change.

For example, upcoming episodes will deal with how lee and starbuck hate each other, and how tigh and starbuck are friends now.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Tigh and Kara get it on!!!! "Oh you bastared! Oh OH OH OHHHHHHHHHHHH" "How was that for a thruster pack Leutenant?"
"Oh Colonel I can't believe we waited so long."

If this happens, refer to my previous post about ripping my eyes out.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Iraq is far from the only parallel, the Nazi occupation of France is a much better fit. The scene at the end of Precipe, the one with the execution, is a direct reference to some war film.

Last time I looked, the Americans in Iraq are not rounding up random people off the street and carting them off into the desert to be executed. I don't see any evidence that the iraqi security forces are reguarded as traitors or collabtors by the major of the iraqi populus, either. These are the people who turned out in massive numbers to vote for a government, remember.

You also have the sectarian conflict in iraq which is to a certain degree seperate from the conflict between the americans and the islamic militants, which the media likes to tar under the same bursh - insurgants. None of that is reflected in the New Caprica story. You just have the cylon occupiers and the colonial resistance, a much better fit for occupied France indeed, all of occupied europe and, as others have said, occupations throughout history.

Yes, there are iraqi elements; suicide bombings (though this is also applicable to palestine and, further back in history, lebanon) and the term insurgant though, again, this term was used in Vietnam and, IIRC, Algeria. Some of the cylon rhetoric also echos some of the american rhetoric.

I also think it is unfair to BSG to say they're "supporting" one side other the other; the new caprica resistence are not exactly depicted as angels, especially if you go and watch the webisodes.

PS. The galactica airdrop was wicked cool.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Has anyone else noticed RDM's fondness for World War II, I bet we could convert him to some of Shrapnel's games.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Um...So how exactly did the Chief and Gaeda start using the Doggy Bowl technique?

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

It's funny how the Cylons wanted to rid the Galaxy of humans because of their 'human based' hatred of them. They have become, in their own efforts, even worse then those that they seek to detroy! The Cylons have become better at being human then the Humans! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

I was thinking the same thing. I guess it was set up by someone else who was later killed.

Is the weight thing with Apollo real or just for the show? Did Jamie Baber pack on the pounds or is it just character BS?

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

It was all done with makeup and plastic. Rather convincing job. Just saw a short on it on the scifi channel website last night.

It's too bad really, because it lends credence to the "fat people should just exercise more" thought process, supported by pure fiction.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

I don't like how they used it as a gimic just to make fat people out to be lazy depressed weak willed loosers. That offends me. I am going to sue!

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

AngleWyrm said:
It's too bad really, because it lends credence to the "fat people should just exercise more" thought process, supported by pure fiction.

Right, they should go on and off wacky (and often dangerous; thanks Atkins) diets and pop pills. Or... maybe turn off MTV/VH1/any entertainment news/Hollywood, keep the exercise to keep the heart etc. healthy, and be happy with who they are.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

For most obese people exercise is painful and its easier to sit on the couch eating than it would be to put down the heaping plate of chilly fries and go out side and walk for a bit. No people are lazy by nature. That is one of the reasons we have just a problem with weight in this country.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Its no really laziness, its about life style and most people are simply not willing to invest the time and effort, because it often is painful to do so, into changing things.

SO they sit at home, stuffing their faces, feeling bad about their weight, eat some more, get depressed, eat more, feel even worse, eat more, etc. The cycle is set and seldom broken. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

...back to the topic of BSG - Executive orders from Tom Zarek - will wonders never cease?

I thought this was out of character for him.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Really? Seemed in line with his early terrorist activities, to me.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

I recall an interview w2here they fat suited jamie bamber for lay down your burdens, but Eick told him at the end of the episode to gain 25 pounds for next season. Then when they resigned the contract, Eick told Bamber to "Loose the weight or else."

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

never mind, I found the article and reread it, Eick was telling Bamber to do that as a prank, and they just fatsuited him for 7 episodes

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Eick is actually a pretty serious clown. I would not believe that he would be serious about gaining weight just to tell him to loose it. He is a ham so take a - oops, read your second post. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Yup, that would be something that Eirk would do. I recall reading about some of his pranks somewhere but cannot find the site now. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Damn google.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

See now a fat suit makes more sense to me, but I read something about Apollo having to put on weight and since it didn't flat out explain it was a joke I of course assumed it must be serious.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Gotta agree with you 100% here. That's EXACTLY the kind of sneaky, vindictive, terrorist-mentality act I'd expect from Zarek.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

When does E05 air ? Which day of the week ?

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Everyone should excercise more, not just the fat.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

I don't know - a zero tolerance government sounds about 180 degrees from where Zarek was coming from.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Tom Zarek is one of those guys that are "Do as I say, but not as I do."

3x05 - Torn
 

Oh yea! Much better than that last one. The plot's actually moving forward again.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

I like the projecting idea. Very interesting concept. The hi-bred thing though.... not sure I like this concept.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

What's wrong with hybrids? Seemed like a cool idea. Until she steps out of the tub!

It would make sense that the Cylon Baseships would have a "brain" or central intelligence. Don't know if it such a wise thing to make it a singular creature that can be easily killed while lying in a tub of white light...

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

I was reading a description of the hybrids. Are they an existing model, like any cylon can be used, or a new model?

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

I really don't like the concept of the hybrids. To me its just stupid. A talking women in a bathtub. She spouts off all kinds of readings like they wouldn't know this unless she said it out loud. Just silly.

I think its safe to say that they really don't have a clue where to take the show now. I am sure they have some kind of feeling but no hard ideas yet. Now the cylons want to make Earth their new homeworld. WTF! Thats just plain stupid!

First the cylons wanted to exterminate man kind for crimes against God. Or because God willed it. Then they wanted to find humans so they could breed. Then they wanted to save humanity from themselves. Now they want to exterminate man kind again and make Earth their new homeworld. Sounds like they really have no clue what in the hell they want.

I guess the half human half cylon kid will be resistant to the new desease that kills cylons. Thats pretty much a given.

I liked how Adama had to ***** slap Kara and Tygh. I don't know where that story line is going, but Kara's character is one of my more favorites as is Tyghs. So this should be interesting. I think the actress that plays Kara is really good at her craft and I hope that she does at some point get some awards for her work. In fact for the most part, say for Jamie, the cast is pretty good at acting. They really do a splended job of it. Jamie is getting better at it though.

Despite not liking the hybrid concept, I look forward to this new story arc with much anticipation. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

The article I read said the Hybrids words are considered just random output by the Cylons. They don't pay any attention, except the Loeben models which think they are the words of God and they try to pay attention.

As for Katee Sackhof, Starbuck, I saw a dismal trailer for her latest movie along with Don "the Dragon" Wilson (he's sort of a poor mans Van Damne). The reviewer was going on about how great she was in it. All I saw was a piece of junk about fighting robots that had taken over. The sort of direct to DvD rubbish I wouldn't look at twice at Blockbusters.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

I read or rather sorta recall reading that they have talked to Dirk Benedict (sp) about doing a re-occuring role as a mystery cyclon model. After this latest episode, where they mention they don't dicuss the other models, this rumor might be accurate. Lets hope so. I think it would be great to have two old cast members playing re-occuring parts in the new series.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

Dunno, Six was pretty direct about the other five models "that they don't talk about".

And I for one think they've played the guest star = Cylon new model card a few times too often.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

That's the point, yes. The cylons are a young civilisation, only 40-50 years old.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

Dirk Benedict was actually appraoched originally by Bryan Singer to play a 50 year old starbuck, with no changes to the character (thus creating someone who is kinda tragicly too old for the way he lives). He was later approached by RDM to play a cameo in season 3 (I suspect in Hero), but passed.

As for the other 5 models, I suspect that since the cylons are a young civilization, those 5 are still teenagers and are locked up in brother cavil's basement.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

Don't you ever wonder how old actors can aford to live, especially in LA? I mean Dirk Benedict hasn't worked since the mid 80's and he turns down a job? Where does there money come from? Royalties? Those can't add up to much.

Well according to his site and a few web sites he has stayed busy writing, directing, doing conventions, blogs, and the occational acting gig.

Interesting huh?

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

You forget he's the Face.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_"Faceman"_Peck

As for the hybrids, I have to say I don't like it either. All I could think of when I saw her in a pool of goo was the matrix pod people. It wasn't a good idea, I always liked the concept of the cylon ships being "meaty" inside.

Also, did anyone else find it weird earth takes down yet another civilization with biological weapons? ala war of the worlds.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

A friend gives me copies of the show (I don't get cable) so I won't see it till tomorrow, but can you elaborate on the "Earth takes down a civilisation with bio weapons". I know the cylons have a disease. They didn't find earth and get it did they http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

I'm interested to see how Kara & Tigh's 'new' friendship plays out, now that Starbuck seems to be pulling herself back together, while Tigh seems determined to remain in his downward spiral. 42 minutes just isn't long enough!

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

Soon it will be 38 minuts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif Networks want to know why people aren't watching their shows? Well its because they have to suffor through 18 minutes of commericals. Ten years ago the average commerical time for a show was 8 minutes. That meant that you could sit back and enjoy a 50 to 52 minute program in realative peace without all of the BS interuptions.

But tell a network that they have too much time dedicated to comericals per show, and they will sight the cost of the shows to produce, and rightfully so.

So unless they can get the costs down, 38 minute 1 hour shows are going to be here sooner rather than later. When that happpens it will be far more praticle to just buy the series on DVD and watch it all at once over the course of a long night.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

Or, rather than waiting for the DVD to come out, people will just get sick of TV and more and more people will wind up downloading the shows worth watching. Which sucks in a way, since then the shows worth watching don't get watched as far as the network is concerned (ie: no one's watching their advertising). And sure, ideally the thing for them to do is find out why viewership is down, and reduce advertising to attract viewers. "NBC now has 15% LESS ads than ABC!" would be a pretty big draw for a lot of people.
Of course, we're not living in an ideal world, so we'll likely see 1/4 of our screen given over to advertising *during* the show, along with the usual 18 minutes of 'full-screen' advertising. Makes me glad I hardly watch TV anymore.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

definately starbuck and tigh's new dynamic are great. They are easily stealing the show. NBC should've opted for first syndication, but because of their piss poor editing of the miniseries, it failed on the network and nbc won't be airing it.

Randallw, my comment is that the probe is supposedly from earth (I personally suspect the other 5 cylons in reality) and that earth had a tedenacy to wipe out alien civilizations with plagues and viruses. War of the worlds, martian chronicles, independence day, and so forth. I've always viewed it, in the realm of scifi, to be cliche'd plot.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

There's a probe? oh well I'll just wait till I get the latest epsiodes from my friend.

I thought the Bio weapon thing in the latest WotW was unoriginal. I mean yeah it's from the book but really I expected they'd introduce something new. It worked as an original idea 100 years ago, I just thought it was so cliched by now they'd make an effort to intorduce something new. I mean surely the aliens would be more "knowledgable" these days. I for one can't stand a story where the good guys win because the aliens are idiots,(cough) Battlefield Earth (/cough).

Until the show says otherwise I'm sticking to my idea that Earth is way more advanced and when the Fleet finds it the pursuing Cylons get annihilated in minutes.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

See page two of this thread.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

I'm afraid I don't know what I'm supposed to look at. If you mean the bitTorrents, I don't want anything to do with downloading stuff from other people short of a file sent from someone I know. I like BSG and other programs but I'm not in that much of a hurry.

Edit: let me elaborate. I can see you offer the episodes and I appreciate it but I'm not comfortable with it. I also personally don't believe in things being worth downloading huge files. I don't download huge GB games and stuff because I consider it a lack of restraint to be trolling the Internet and leaving my computer on all day just to download something I don't basically need http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

As far as trust, you really only have to trust whoever gives you the .torrent file.

If the peers try to send anything that isn't right, it gets tossed out.

Re: cylon models
 

The 5 other cyclon models are ::spoiler::

Bill
Laura
Kira
Lee
Gaius

Sick isnt it?

Re: cylon models
 

If you don't want to use a torrent file to download the episodes, you can do it totally legally by buying each episode from Apple a few days after it airs. Just get and set up the iTunes software, and go to iTunes store, and then go to TV Shows, and it will give you a whole array of options. Each show, typically, costs $1.99. Perfectly legal, no stress.

Re: cylon models
 

I found out about that a few days ago. I was thinking of getting Stargate episodes, but couldn't figure out how to get them, plus I wondered if they'd be really small for ipods. I actually have iTunes for some reason, even though I don't have an ipod or listen to much music. I think it got installed when I installed something else.

Edit: now I remember. The maker of an alt-hist website did a podcast.

Re: cylon models
 

We play the episodes on our computer, not on a iPod - it's just like watching TV...

Re: cylon models
 

yeah. I do the same thing with the episodes my friend gives me. I forgot that I always set it to full screen http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif. With RvB I download the free low res version and just full screen it.

However I just downloaded the latest version of itunes, discovered my firewall stopped it, disabled the firewall, registered and then discovered I can only use the Australian store. I tried registering in the US store but it only allows the country my card is in http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif and the Australian store doesn't have tv shows http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif I'll just have to check until they do.

Re: cylon models
 

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