Re: Turn 14
 

Apparently we of Argatha have overly anxious personalities. We found the 500 illithids and mad dreamers and ghost king on our border to be rather alarming.

The attack was not a sneak attack. Elephants do not "sneak". It was an unprovoked attack.

Given that it's that time of year again, when the universe updates the score in the great game of life, we presumed to assume that, presumably, we were about to be attacked anyway.

In summary, R'lyeh bad, Agartha good. I hope that clears everything up.

Re: Turn 14
 

The illithids were just passing through, the dreamers were about to be ferried away to do battle with independent forces and the ghost king was searching for magic sites (Which he found, as you can see from the gem graph). Until this vile act of Agarthan aggression, that is.

Furthermore, I daresay any open act of aggression not preceded by a formal declaration of war is to be regarded as a sneak attack.

You were in no danger of being invaded. You had no reason to fret on behalf of your precious "victory point" given the great big fort you'd built on it.

And yet, you attacked.

R'lyeh, on the other hand, has taken no hostile measures against any nation and has tried its best to maintain friendly relations with all the peoples of the world.

I must say, as primitive as your Agarthan minds are, your twisted logic is entirely beyond our comprehension.

Re: Turn 16
 

Turn 16 is out.

Deadline is Sunday at 9pm Boston time.

Pasha

Re: Patch
 

Umm... I already patched it.

Re: Patch
 

Ugh! I discovered that my backups of turns was misprogrammed, although I have fixed it.

However, this means that all players must play Turn 16 WITHOUT the patch. I will then patch the game and host on Sunday. After you play Turn 16 without the patch, you are then free to patch to 3.1.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Pasha

Re: Turn 16
 

Hey, Jurri, this last turn was fun!

Re: Turn 16
 

Give us the dirt!

Re: Turn 16
 

Well, you certainly upped your PD at an opportune time, Bird! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif And here I thought I'd teach you the hard way to put that 1 point always no matter what...

Re: Turn 16
 

Has war broken out between Mictlan and Man?

Re: Turn 16
 

Well - no - I just got a looooong list of scouts that tried to take over my provinces. In once case, they even succeeded ;-)

BTW, you tripple bless F9W9S9 eagle warriors are really scary.

Re: Turn 16
 

When do we patch to 3.01?

Re: Turn 16
 

I oppose on principle: the patch ruins my turkeys http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

...not really. I'd prefer to run this turn with the old version just to avoid redoing it, but see no reason not to upgrade for the next. This will also allow for any newly introduced game-crashing bugs to reveal themselves over the weekend http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Turn 16
 

Wait, what happened to the turkeys?

Re: Turn 16
 

Their mighty mesmerization morphed into merely madness.

Patch
 

I would ask that all players NOT patch until after I host Sunday's turn. Or, I could reinstall a backup turn and patch and then rehost the current turn.

The game manual says that players should not patch until the host patches. (If people have already patched, then I should rehost the last turn with the patch.)

Pasha

Re: Patch
 

Hm the patch seems to only change 4 maps + the exe, so keeping a backup of old 3.00 exe should be enough.

Re: Patch
 

This makes me want to postpone patching.

Re: Patch
 

Hmm. I tend to agree with Jurri. The patch seems to have a bug that makes a nasty horror attack heros who are not horror marked. This could be very frustrating for some players.

What do other players think?

Re: Patch
 

As I've pmed you about, I obviously require the game to be patched.

Re: Patch
 

I'm for posptponing patching.

Re: Patch
 

On one hand, I have already patched and would rather not deal with installing a 3.0 version. I think random rampaging horrors are a feature, not a bug.

On the other hand, I don't have any heroes, and I expect to be defeated very soon now.

Re: Patch
 

Johan K tends to disagree.

Hey now, don't toss in the towel yet! Especially since the Hunter of Heroes is likely to pick up my GK any month now, you might be able to do something before I manage to stamp you out entirely. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Re: Patch
 

Oh, I know it's unintentional and been classified as a bug. I just like it anyway. I'm upset I haven't seen it in my SP games yet.

(I'm not actually near defeat. I am experimenting with a "besiegement" strategy. So far it is going well--I have two forts under siege. I expect my schemes to bear fruit any time now.)

Re: Patch
 

Hey, at least you have your elephants! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Patch
 

I am of the view that it might add some spicy fun to patch and have a few horrors crash the party for a bit... until the next fix.

Any player strongly against patching?

Re: Patch
 

Yes, simply because it's one of the patches that introduced more, bigger, problems than it fixed.

Re: Patch
 

To prevent people crying and stop playing because their pretender dies in a horror attack in turn 2 i would prefer a start without the patch.

But here we've the problem that i'm not sure that all players could install a second 3.0 Version of the game.

An illwinter coment about a hotfix would be very good!

EDIT: wrong thread but possible same problem http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Patch
 

I have received all turns for turn 16, but I am going to delay hosting until Tuesday to give more time to discuss whether to patch or not patch. Players seem to be nearly equally split.

Some players would get fixes with the patch. Others are concerned that it creates more problems.

Re: Patch
 

I am indifferent.

3.00 or 3.01, i am fine with both.

Re: Patch
 

Ugh! Now, I am coming around to thinking it would be best to NOT use the patch. I know that is very inconvenient for some players. However, it sounds like the horror-bug could seriously frustrate players and spoil the fun.

I know that some players would benefit from the patch's fixes, but I think it is more appropriate to stay with the current "broken" game rather than introduce new problems.

Re: Patch
 

Well ive already patched aswell (several days ago) so i would prefer to either play with the patch or just wait until there is a fix for the horror bug (however small the fix maybe, just reducing the frequency might help) but in the end, its not up to me.

Re: Patch
 

It really is not that hard to revert your installation: you'll just need to install the game to a temp directory and copy the dom3.exe to your previous installation. You'll avoid inputting CD-keys, reinstalling maps and whatever, takes a couple of minutes at most, and even less if you can multitask something while the installer confirms itself and copies the files. Take the chance to make copies of both the patched executable and the unpatched one under dom301.exe and dom300.exe in your folder and make suitably named shortcuts to both while you're at it and you can play whichever version you need.

To not be willing to take that measly amount of trouble to secure the enjoyment of those who have valuable commanders on the HoF (like those fellas with their SC-pretenders) certainly sounds pretty petty to me. (Not to mention that having to avoid the HoF with your important commanders that aren't there yet makes for weird gameplay indeed.)

Even if we really fail to get folks to revert, I suggest you go ahead and continue hosting with the old version: At worst someone will get a [censored] up battle-replay when my turkeys attack, and at best no one will even notice.

Re: Patch
 

I definitely think unpatched is the way to go. The doom horror bug outweighs the improvements.

Re: Patch
 

Agreed.

Re: Patch
 

I'd rather stay patched. Think of it as an equalizer. I mean, there weren't any other issues besides the hero horror, were there? Just think of it as a really bad random event. Suck it up and do the best with what you've got left.

Re: Patch
 

I think we need to summarize ppls votes and get to a decision based on the majority.

so far we have:
For patch, 3:
KissBlade,
Shova32,
djo

Against patch, 6:
Jurri,
Pasha,
WraithLord,
Cainehill,
Calmon,
okiN

3 for patch, 6 against.
I suggest not to patch.

Re: Patch
 

Actually it was 6 and 6, with one undecided vote the last time I got updated about the vote. Not all players posted their wish here.

Re: Patch
 

Hm i am selfish now and vote vor using patch 3.01 too, after all my immortal god shouldn't be affected by the horror http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif.

No Patch for Now
 

Ok.

The mighty HOST has decided, after consulting with various players, that we will not use the patch for now.

Hopefully, a new patch will come out soon.

Pasha

Re: No Patch for Now
 

Fine decision. At least from my point of view because my pretender is number 1 in HoF http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif. Even though the issue is already settled, I vote just in case for NOT to patch.

Turn 17
 

Turn 17 is out.

Deadline is Thursday at 9pm Boston Time.

Pasha

Re: Turn 18
 

Turn 18 is out.

Deadline is Sunday night at 9pm Boston time.

Pasha

Re: Turn 18
 

Hearty laughter echoes through the deep Agartha caverns...we still live!

What's that wet slap-slap noise we hear? Weak, floppy, fish-tentacles pawing uselessly at our thick walls? Hope you like the weather out there, guys, you won't be getting in anytime soon. Remember to bring a flashlight, it's dark in here...

Re: Turn 18
 

May I draw your attention to your auxiliary fort? That is, the one whose gates have just been breached by my men? I daresay it won't be yours for much longer, and with the reinforcements your capital should fall shortly after.

Flashlights will not be necessary, we who dwell at the bottom of the ocean are no strangers to darkness.

Enjoy the time you have left, worm. The end is nigh.

Green fire of envy shall burn the mutt and the cad
 

It's fairly disturbing that Dreamlands of all things is fourth in income... Then again, I understand the population loss -effect of its dominion is not working quite as intended (as in, it doesn't scale with dominion), so I guess it's not that surprising after all. By way of conjecture, it's no wonder at all that they can afford to hire the mercenaries...

Re: Green fire of envy shall burn the mutt and the cad
 

We have no auxilliary fort and never did. We deplore this obvious ploy to boost the sagging morale of your troops by inventing fictious victories over (of all people) us, your peace-loving neighbors.

Re: Green fire of envy shall burn the mutt and the cad
 

Maybe they found and "conquered" one of your outhouses? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Green fire of envy shall burn the mutt and the
 

Yeah, an outhouse that looks just like a forest castle and appears in the worldwide fort statistics. That's the ticket. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

You can talk all you want, Agarthan fool, but the truth of it is that you're getting nowhere fast. Feeling sorry about invading us yet? Eh?

As for you, Jurri, that's quite a poor attempt to draw attention away from yourself and the fact that you're the single most dangerous entity in the game. Do not insult the intelligence of these fine people.

Re: Green fire of envy shall burn the mutt and the cad
 

From what I can tell from my single singleplayer experience, the population loss is pretty much a nonfactor. I had a growth3 dominion and even with heavy 200% taxes usage for most of the game my pop was still at 15k at turn 80.

So dreamlands gets tons of freespawns, free prophets, lots of gold and those wonderful void thingies.

Re: Green fire of envy shall burn the mutt and the
 

You hear that, okiN? Sounds to me like you are trying to hide your advantages from the public eye! I mean, sheesh, you have both a functional economy and freespawn, which is certainly counter to any nation seen before, and counter to what the manual and in-game information would have us believe of Dreamlands. Admit it! You're only trailing behind me in graphs because you want to make it seem like you're not the biggest threat! Bring me my torch and pitchfork! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif