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I'd like to keep the game moving along; I know I tend to start to forget about the game when I go for more than a couple days without getting a turn. That said, I totally forgot to check the "dominions" mail folder last night http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

(Oceania, not Vanheim)

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yup... well, I am quite excited as this is my first MP game, and I'm hosting it.. so I find myself checking a couple of times a day even (if I'm not out). So, the faster the better of course!

Anyway, 9 of 16 turns in.

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that's ok, don't think I'll be hosting this one and the next one before Friday evening..
I am a bit worried about Vanheim, he hasn't contacted me yet.

currently 13/16 turns in.
Waiting for Arco, R'Lyeh and Vanheim

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Ok all turns are in except Vanheim, and no word from him yet.

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I feel like it's fairly obvious that vanheim either a) doesnt care or b) went on some trip and is away... I dont think you should wait on him, seeing as how hes staled before and said nothing to you.

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When was the last time Vanheim showed signs of life? If I read the forums correctly, it was the 9th or 10th. I think it's time to find a replacement.

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I am going to host the turn tonight... If he won't make the next turn either, we'll find a replacement...
I would feel bad though, if he's on some unexpected trip or something and would come home finding out his game was taken..
On the other hand, I think we had enough discussion about letting all players know if you will be away to conclude that he is no longer interested...
We'll see!

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If the guy was called away by something important enough to prevent him from sending an email in to you about having to leave then it's also important enough to justify him losing his spot in the game.

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got a point
turn hosted

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Ok, still no word from Vanheim. I'll startlooking for a replacement.

First to post gets the slot. Plze read up on the latest hosting schedule (48 hrs, warning, 24 hrs, host).

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Vanheim dropped, so we can use another player! Please post if you want in, we are at turn 11, and Vanheim is not doing bad at all.

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I'll sub : )

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Ok, GameExtremist it is.. Welcome!

I sent you a PM with some info.
Please check post #493870 in this thread (5 Feb), it has an attachment with the map file (and perhaps an Oceania turn, which you don't need).

Good luck!

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11/16 turns in

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FYI, I'll be out of touch from Saturday night to Monday night. Shouldn't cause too noticable a delay, but polite to let everyone know http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Are we getting a turn this weekend?

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That hasn't been my experience.

Occasionally some particular Archtheurg will get hung up and refuse to cast Unholy Blessing, it's true. But this is not a universal thing - try switching to a different archtheurg.

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16 out 16 turns in

Could host turn JUST in time before I leave :-) I'll be back monday evening so no more hosting until then.

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Misfortune can really HURT sometimes...

Anyway, 14/16 trns in

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15/16 turns in, waiting for Arcoscephale

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turn 13 hosted

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Pangaea would like to trade for some earth gems. We can pay with nature gems, air gems, or gold. Contact us for details.

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Aha, I see you've made good use of Vanheims 2 month nap ;-)

13/16 turns in

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Vanheim shall shine once more! ...well if Ermor does something really silly...

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14/16 turns in, waiting for Arcoscephale and Agartha.

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just waiting for Agartha now, I'll send him an email and if nothing is heard I'll host Thursday when I get back from work (about 19:00h (GMT +1))

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turn 14 sent!

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Congratulations Frank!

-StrictlyRockers
(Christo)

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6/16 turns in

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The Vanherse of Vanheim steel themselves for the assault, and hope that the reinforcements arrive in time.

It ain't over yet ; )

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Who says we're not at your capital? [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/Lightning.gif[/img] http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif

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Interesting developments there with Ermor & Vanheim ;-)

14/16 turns in already! Waiting for Agartha and Pythium

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I'm going to be away from tonight (Friday night) to Sunday night, FYI!

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Turn 15 hosted

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9/16 turns in

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14/16 turns in, waiting for Man and Shinuyama.
I'm off now, so hosting will be Monday evening GMT+1 at the earliest.

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turn 16 hosted (or is it turn 15, and I sent you turn 16... well...)

7/16 turns in

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14/16 turns in. Waiting for Abysia and Pythium

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nice, fast turn!
turn hosted

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Frank,

You're not exactly being fair, nor following Sheap's excellent rules of diplomacy (i.e. carrying grudges from game to game, or anyhow trying to impugn my reputation in other games). My diplomacy was conducted in-character, as were my actions in our game. In this game, I had actually pledged to help Vanheim some time ago... and I did employ some misleading remarks to achieve this end and attack Ermor, but that is the way of war. So, I certainly don't mind you accusing Marignon of treachery... however, to say that I, personally, am not trustworthy is both unfair and untrue. This also carries over to other games I happen to be playing in. Just because I chose to mislead someone in one game does not mean I will do so another... I have been a loyal and true ally in many a game.

Actually, now that I look at my message sent to you, i said, quote: "we have no interest in conflict with you at this time... we wish to claim the independant provinces near your great city." Well, I did in fact take those provinces... and my (in-game) protestation of having no interest in conflict with you was rather vague. At no point did I "promise" not to take your capital.

I just was attacked (without warning) by Darrel playing Pythium. While in-game i'm going to whine about not giving me warning etc, etc. I don't translate that into a judgment about Darrel as a player being untrustworthy. I would appreciate the same consideration from you.

thanks for taking the time to read this rather long post - I think the distinction between player and in-game persona is important; I also think deception is a natural part of war and diplomacy.

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Deception is an important part, but so is a reputation for truth.

There's a difference between carrying grudges and knowing someone's reputation.

In a system like Dominions where diplomacy is only enforced by trust, earning and keeping trust is necessary. If I thought my neighbors weren't going to keep their word, I wouldn't bother much with treaties. If someone is a loyal and true ally in "many" games, that's very different from being one in "every" game.

Of course, there is a difference between lying and misleading. That's why I always ask people to make explicit statements and pacts... if they say "I have no interest in X", that doesn't actually mean they aren't going to do X. But if they say "I'm not going to attack any provinces beyond this line," then you know exactly what they have and haven't promised to do.

Did Marignon explicitly violate their word, break any promises or pacts? What do each of you say? The rest of the world needs to know...

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Like Ewierl said, there is a big difference in saying "I have no intention of attacking you" and "I agree to a NAP for the next 10 turns", etc.

Treaties should be stated explicitly, and then agreed upon. Breaking such a treaty is one thing, and misleading someone with diplomatic communications is another.

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Well, I agree with you in part, Ewierl. I think having a good reputation is part of a game... at the same time, I feel it is necessary to again stress the difference between a person and their in-game nation/persona... certainly if a person is consistently untrustworthy and just a jerk, other people might mistrust them. However, using deception in a game is not, I think a reason to distrust everything that person does.

I also like your point about explicit pacts... people who have encountered me in other games may have noticed that I make very very explicit pacts most of the time, because I want to be able to say when and how a pact has been violated, if that happens. I deliberately made my diplomacy with Frank vague because I planned to attack him... more importantly, I feel he read into my words and decided I had "promised" not to attack him, when in fact I had done no such thing.

Anyhow, perhaps i'm just being touchy about my pride or somesuch. I will let other people judge as they wish, although I reserve the right to defend myself =)