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Gandalf Parker May 27th, 2007 11:22 AM

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I think he might have been agreeing with you

HoneyBadger May 27th, 2007 12:38 PM

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I think you should send him an expensive gift

Kristoffer O May 27th, 2007 02:04 PM

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http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

lch May 27th, 2007 02:17 PM

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I think his keyboard is broken

Meglobob May 27th, 2007 03:04 PM

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No, he is just too busy working on the next patch worth of goodies to type more... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

BandarLover May 27th, 2007 03:10 PM

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Using Ich's logic, Kris O can apparently only type : P

Hmmmm.... : P, colon, p AHHA!! Colonoscopy! Kris O is obviously trying to tell us he's had a coloscopy and will resume work on next patch as soon as he has healed.

Damn I'm good. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Daynarr May 27th, 2007 03:45 PM

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I just think he likes gifts. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

HoneyBadger May 27th, 2007 04:22 PM

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The Swedish love chocolate, jewelery, fine liquors, and luxury automobiles.

And so do I.

Daynarr May 27th, 2007 04:44 PM

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Who doesn't?

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

HoneyBadger May 27th, 2007 05:37 PM

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Satan.

Meglobob May 27th, 2007 05:40 PM

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HoneyBadger said:
Satan.

But he invented all those... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

HoneyBadger May 27th, 2007 07:30 PM

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I hate to break it to you, after your lifetime of abstinance, but the only things the devil invented were telemarketers, testicular cancer, interest rates above 5%, acne, fleas, and car commercials.

Wikd Thots May 27th, 2007 10:26 PM

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You mean that we are more creative and beat Satan at his own game? Yeah I guess I can go with that. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/evil.gif

HoneyBadger May 28th, 2007 01:36 PM

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Well, that and people have funny ideas about a good time being evil.

Damn silly Puritans, still influencing people after they've all been dead for a quarter of a millenium.

Kuritza May 28th, 2007 01:59 PM

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A slavic nation would be awesome.

But pretty please, no heavy emphasis on bears!.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif That would be just too cliche. Bear-vodka-balalaika.... Hrrrrrrr.
Some random ideas for a slavic nation -
1) Early age paganism. Nature, Sun and Skies are worshipped, one of the major Gods of the pantheon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perun) being not unlike Odin of the Norse people. Magi (Volhv, pl Volhvy) - weakish astral mages and fortune tellers (bad events prevention) serving as priests. Spirits are seen everywhere. Military is represented by rather small, but well-trained retinues of the princes.
2) Middle age - contacts with Pythium are made, old faith is being replaced with a semi-christian one. Magi are being exterminated slowly. Composite bows are used widely, crossbows are known but not nearly as widespread, literacy is very common. Princedoms are *slowly* being united, cities are thriving, but...
3) Late age - nation is split by two, the western and the eastern. Cant tell much about the West, as for the easten one... Paganism is almost but-not-quite gone; same incursion that brought down the Tien Chi bureacracy nearly destroyed the country. Most major cities with libraries, cathedrals etc were burnt down and rebuilt. With the fall of Pythium (it fell just like Byzanthium, righ? A shame, if you ask me...) Church declared itself autonomous and heir to Pythium's and claimed considerable power. Archers with composite bows (crossbows are still known, but again, not widely used), medium to heavy infantry and medium cavalry compose a standing army. Constant incrusions both from the East and the West made people fiercely protective of their land. Conception of a 'bogatyr' arises - champion warrior, fighting for the people and the Church. I suggest giving these a prophet-like a dominion bonus, it represents the lore quite well.
And example of a LA national hero - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Peresvet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif The painting isnt accurate though, according to the legend he wore only a monks vestment blessed by Saint Sergius since he was a man of cloth. ))
Saint Sergius himself - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergius_of_Radonezh
And, of course, the Three - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogatyr
The central one on the painting is also a canonized saint btw, officially up to this day.

Hope some of that may be helpful. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

P.S.

To think of it... what I described as a LA should be actually MA in regard to the Dominions timeline because Constantinople fell later. But then in LA this nation should have firearms http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif So I'd keep it as is, Sergius and the rest of them are somewhere in-between the MA and LA anyway.

HoneyBadger May 28th, 2007 02:46 PM

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Yeah! save bears for Russia (and Haida). I like the saints idea.

Gandalf Parker May 28th, 2007 03:26 PM

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Stepping into saints could be a dangerous territory.

HoneyBadger May 28th, 2007 03:39 PM

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You don't have to use real names for saints. Or names period, just call them "saints". Or, for that matter, call them "Sanctus Majorus". Or whatever.

Make them undead with awe 0. Give them shrouds for armor and holy scourges for weapons.

Kuritza May 28th, 2007 04:55 PM

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Oh, you dont have to actually make them saints or say they are saints, of course. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Just prophet-like health and strength bonus (and minus) for the Bogatyr warriors, and holy magic for the national heroes with appropriate background, should you, of course, decide to make ones. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Bogatyr are not really saints except Ilya, they just draw strength from the home land they protect.
As for the reference to real historical figures somebody can see through.... the Three Bogatyr are absolutely free for usage http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif They are legendary heroes first and foremost. Make King Arthur a saint, people wont stop refering to him. Also, while Ilya the saint is known to be a warrior before he took up the wovs, and even his life really resembles that of a bogatyr Ilya, they are not officially aknowledged to be the same person. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Its just something people are free to believe (and usually do). And Peresvet isnt canonized, just a well-known and popular figure of a warrior monk.
And some more details (I just loved the idea, sorry for my persistance) )))
1) Early age - basically, what Bossuk said.
Awakened nature - talking animals, out of which bears are held in highest esteem. So yea, something about bears. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif I liked the national hero Bossuk suggested. Michailo Potapych http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Non-blood demons, including the Leshiy (forest spirit, not evil but hating these who harm forest), Kikimora (evil swamp hag) etc.
Some unique summons, or just national heroes. Likho the One-eyed, manifestation of misery cursing people, causing diseases and bad luck. Baba Yaga, old witch flying in a magical mortar with a broom, eating children and such but occasionally helpful. Zmey (wyrm) Gorynych, three-headed dragon spitting fire. No magic, just a reptile defying laws both natural and criminal. Koshey the Immortal, ancient lich who hid his mortality in a needle, very malignant. Sometimes shown as rather proficient with a sabre. Grey Wolf - huge grey wolf who's actually an enspelled Prince, helpful spirit known to join questing heroes.
Mushrooms... hmm! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Perhaps mushroom lore as some extra supply bonus and ability to cure diseases for nature priests?
2) Middle age - new faith.
Bogatyr warriors and heroes, priests of the new Orthodox faith, as in Pythium. New religion is spreading mostly peacefully, but paganism is disapproved strongly, main reason why there are no statues in Orthodox churches is because monks didnt want their flock to see anything that might resemble idols of old. Magi of the earlier age made less powerful in holy magic and have problems predicting the future. Their influence dwindles fast, last of the Magi are actually exterminated by force - somewhere in the end of the 2nd era.
For the priests, I'd propose an unique ability, like the reverse Inquisitor. Priests skill is considered +1 when preaching in a friendly dominion to make it higher. No effect in enemy dominion. Magic wise, since the religion has a Pythium origin, I'd make them in the theurges image, but with nature instead of water. For MA, 'high priest' is S2 N1 ?1, Holy 2. There's also a dean, just a holy 1 lowly priest.
3) Pithium fell, slavic nation barely survived the Horde onslaught, but emerged victorious in the end. Good idea would be to make two distinct slavic nations, one for eastern slavs, one for western.
Ruler of the Eastern one married the last Pythium princess (analogue of Sophia Paleolog), proclaiming his country to be the Third Ermor (hehe, Pythium being the second). Pagan traditions are all but banned - some of the creatures maybe be still hiding in the wilds, but mages dont have the skills nor desire to traffic in pagain superstitions. If the new God wants to summon them - he had to contact the pagan spirits himself, Magi are extinct. On the brighter side, Church proclaimed itself heir to Pythium Orthodox church, keeping the ancient litanies and traditions, so angelic beings can be summoned.
Most expensive mage/priests are S3, A1, N1, Holy 3, ?1. Maybe S2 A2 N1. Less expensive one is S2, A1, N1, Holy 2. Then its S1, N1, Holy 2 and an Exorcist with Holy 2. (After all its a LA, undead and demons are everywhere etc)

Troop-wise, cossac cavalry may be added in LA. Perhaps also streltsy, just with a composite bow instead of an arquebus - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streltsy
Red uniform, two-handed Bardiche (like a halberd, but more suitable for parrying), ranged weapon. Not sacred, of course http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Streltsy and recruitable bogatyr should be mutually exclusive in my opinion, though randomly appearing Bogatyr heroes are still present in any case, appearing time after time when the dominion is strong enough.
Nonhero bogatyr should be more properly named Vityas, to think of it...
Boyar cavalry, of course. Medium to heavy.
Also, in MA and EA holy banners are widely used. Standart with a face of God on it - http://www.androsov.com/luvranyo/ermako.JPG
Boosts morale, some protection against the undead/demon.

P.S.

Another suggestion for the slavic priest/mages of LA -
To think of it, there's no justification for the official priests to have nature magic as a guaranteed pick. Just Astral and Air (study of God in Pythium tradition), and some random.

But there's a good reason to make two different types of priest/mages - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers
The Old Believers were prosecuted, so oftentimes they settled in the wilds, minimizing (and sometimes even losing) any contacts with the outside world. These can possess decent knowledge of Nature magic, like N2S1 Holy 2 for example, no random pick.

HoneyBadger May 29th, 2007 09:21 PM

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Really good to see that the Fomorian nation is coming along-I can't wait for it to come out!

I'm excited about Marverni's updates too.

Kristoffer O May 30th, 2007 12:56 PM

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The pigs are quite fun. Had me a pig war yesterday.

HoneyBadger May 30th, 2007 03:39 PM

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And a pork roast last night?

Aristander June 1st, 2007 09:17 PM

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First Thank You Kristoffer for the best strategy fantasy game I have ever played including Master of Magic. I am now totally addicted to this game. The more I play the more different units I find. Its amazing. A Fomorian nation sounds great, as do the boars, I mean pigs. With big pointy tusks. gore gore.

Kristoffer O June 2nd, 2007 06:40 AM

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I remade the ugly dom-ppp hydra yesterday. Felt really nice to get rid of it. It took some hours, but I'm quite happy with the result. Unfortunately it turned out so big that I had to make a smaller version. The big one will instead be a unique national summon with some nice quirks.

Meglobob June 2nd, 2007 08:11 AM

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Kristoffer O said:
I remade the ugly dom-ppp hydra yesterday. Felt really nice to get rid of it. It took some hours, but I'm quite happy with the result. Unfortunately it turned out so big that I had to make a smaller version. The big one will instead be a unique national summon with some nice quirks.

Excellent, cool, really can't wait to see it.

Gives me a reason to play C'tis/Sauromatia, not played those yet.

CelestialGoblyn June 2nd, 2007 03:27 PM

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Kuritza said:
3) Late age - nation is split by two, the western and the eastern. Cant tell much about the West, as for the easten one...

Western Slavic nation based on Poland, pretty please:)
And with added influences from Czech, Slovakian, Moravian and Hungarian areas.

Themes:Warlike nobles, unrest and frequent rebelions, restless peasantry, devil worship co-existing with religious zeal.

Units:
Weak levied infartry, cheap and decent medium cavalry,stealthy pillaging light cavalry, elite winged lancers, high mountain brigands, war wagons.
Heroes:
Mounted noblemen, mounted warrior priests, witches, mages consorting with the devil(Marignon influenced?), devil mage riding a giant rooster(legendary Polish occultist).
Summons:
Cocktarite, Bassilisk, Griffons, Drowned Zombies, Forest Devils, Devil Cavalry, Strigoi(wild vampires).

Edi June 2nd, 2007 05:23 PM

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Quote:

Kristoffer O said:
I remade the ugly dom-ppp hydra yesterday. Felt really nice to get rid of it. It took some hours, but I'm quite happy with the result. Unfortunately it turned out so big that I had to make a smaller version. The big one will instead be a unique national summon with some nice quirks.

Yay! Can't wait to see that one! Thank you!

Ballbarian June 2nd, 2007 05:56 PM

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I was already a fan of the hydras, so I am really looking forward to the new beasts! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Kristoffer O June 2nd, 2007 06:09 PM

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Quote:

Meglobob said:
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Kristoffer O said:
I remade the ugly dom-ppp hydra yesterday. Felt really nice to get rid of it. It took some hours, but I'm quite happy with the result. Unfortunately it turned out so big that I had to make a smaller version. The big one will instead be a unique national summon with some nice quirks.

Excellent, cool, really can't wait to see it.

Gives me a reason to play C'tis/Sauromatia, not played those yet.

Sauromatia also has got a new hero. Seventh wife of Skögu. A Partholonian Sorceress slain, eaten and married by the Witch King.

Gandalf Parker June 2nd, 2007 06:18 PM

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Sauromatia also has got a new hero. Seventh wife of Skögu. A Partholonian Sorceress slain, eaten and married by the Witch King.

In that order? Ewwww!

Amhazair June 2nd, 2007 06:20 PM

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Quote:

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Sauromatia also has got a new hero. Seventh wife of Skögu. A Partholonian Sorceress slain, eaten and married by the Witch King.

In that order? Ewwww!

Ah, the joys of civilisation... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

lch June 2nd, 2007 06:52 PM

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Those were the days, I tell you, those were the days...

BigDisAwesome June 2nd, 2007 06:53 PM

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See nowadays the saying goes "If you find a good one hold onto her."

I guess back then it was "If you find a good one kill her, eat her, and marry her."

LoloMo June 2nd, 2007 10:48 PM

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How about a race of mice, were mice, and Rat God?

Rat God: Stealthy, spreads disease, summons black mice, Death and Nature magic
Wererat: HI, LI, and commanders
Sewer Crone: death and nature mages
Hulking Rat: Sacred Rats the size of bears
Mother Mouse: Black mice Freespawn, stealthy, glutton, old age at 2 years.
Black mice: Stealthy, glutton, spreads disease, old age at 2years (will it drain the enemy province supplies?)

MaxWilson June 3rd, 2007 01:37 AM

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Quote:

Meglobob said:
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Kristoffer O said:
I remade the ugly dom-ppp hydra yesterday. Felt really nice to get rid of it. It took some hours, but I'm quite happy with the result. Unfortunately it turned out so big that I had to make a smaller version. The big one will instead be a unique national summon with some nice quirks.

Excellent, cool, really can't wait to see it.

Gives me a reason to play C'tis/Sauromatia, not played those yet.

Wait, C'tis doesn't get hydras, does it? Outside of my private "house rules" mod, that is.

-Max

Meglobob June 3rd, 2007 02:40 AM

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Kristoffer O said:Sauromatia also has got a new hero. Seventh wife of Skögu. A Partholonian Sorceress slain, eaten and married by the Witch King.

I have a few ex girlfriends who did that to me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/eek.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

That settles it, I am playing Sauromatia with luck-3 after next patch.

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MaxWilson said:Wait, C'tis doesn't get hydras, does it? Outside of my private "house rules" mod, that is.-Max

Your probably right Max, I was just guessing those were the nations Kristoffer was referring too. Like I said, I still have to try out those nations.

HoneyBadger June 3rd, 2007 07:40 PM

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Wait, is Kristoffer O saying he updated the hydra for Dom 3 or Dom PPP???

Kristoffer O, what are you saying???

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/shock.gif

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Kristoffer O June 4th, 2007 03:49 PM

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I'm saying that the old hydra was a ugly residual sprite from dom-ppp that I have hated for a couple of years. I have made a new one that pleases me a lot more. I need JK to make something work though, the hydra will have a nice new feature if JK doesn't protest.

lch June 4th, 2007 04:04 PM

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Kristoffer O said:
I need JK to make something work though, the hydra will have a nice new feature if JK doesn't protest.

Tell me that she can get an affliction to lose one of her heads, and regrow two new ones a couple of turns later! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif

HoneyBadger June 4th, 2007 04:49 PM

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That...would be....soooo very awesome!

Blofeld June 4th, 2007 08:24 PM

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LA Slavic-inspired nation could also go well with Hussite flavour. We already have flagellants, add some crossbowmen, halberdiers, some strong infantry sacreds, perhaps chariots to simulate war wagons and the nation's ready to defend the true faith against the unbelievers.

Saxon June 6th, 2007 07:53 AM

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Kristoffer,

For encouragment, know that when you visit Kenya, I will have cold beer in the fridge for you and a guest room. My wife will want to yell at you for working on the game that takes up so much of my time, so we may need to give you a secret identity. I hope you can live with being a member of ABBA?

See you then!

BigDisAwesome June 6th, 2007 09:15 AM

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That seems like a fair trade. I'd let you stay at my house if you sing Dancing Queen Kristoffer.

Kristoffer O June 6th, 2007 09:49 AM

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I'd better start practicing then. Fortunately I already got long hair http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Cor June 6th, 2007 12:51 PM

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I am moving to Hawaii in July, You can stay at my house anytime on the condition that we play some boardgames.

HoneyBadger June 6th, 2007 01:12 PM

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And when you come to Utah, Kristoffer, you'll have a guest room there as well. There will be cold beer, and I'll barbeque. I don't know what kind of board-games Cor has, but I've got Stratego http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

lch June 6th, 2007 03:15 PM

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Where can I join as Dom3 developer to be able to grab all these free sleepover offers?

Cor June 6th, 2007 03:57 PM

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as far as Board games i have my favorites are:
Conquest of the Empire
Vinci
Primordial Soup
Risk:Godstorm!

Nix June 6th, 2007 06:41 PM

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Axis and Allies!

HoneyBadger June 6th, 2007 06:59 PM

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Monopoly is fun, providing you're playing it right


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