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llamabeast August 6th, 2008 11:39 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Upd
 
On the other hand, maps generated with this would be very gratefully accepted for the server.

Ming August 6th, 2008 02:21 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Upd
 
Balbarian,

Now its says TABCTL32.OCX is missing. I am beginning to wonder how many of these *.ocx files my computer is missing. Hope I am not causing you too much bother and thanks for helping.

Ilamabeast,

You mean your thesis is not on Dominion 3? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ballbarian August 6th, 2008 02:31 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Upd
 
1 Attachment(s)
Good!
We are making progress. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
I will attach tabctl32.ocx to this post

Ballbarian August 6th, 2008 02:32 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Upd
 
Don't endanger your PhD llamabeast. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ming August 6th, 2008 04:28 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Upd
 
Ballbarian,

It works!! Many thanks.

Ballbarian August 6th, 2008 10:43 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Upd
 
Great!
Don't forget to share any custom map settings (or any provinces and god files you might come up with in your travels) with us. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Ballbarian August 9th, 2008 01:00 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Upd
 
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Attached to this post are 9 new GAN province files in zip format submitted by <font color="green">Gandalf</font>. Some of them are his own inventions and others include contributions from <font color="green">CelestialGoblyn</font>, <font color="green">Stryke</font>, <font color="green">Taqwus</font>, <font color="green">Turin</font> and <font color="green">Cor</font>.

<font color="red">GandalfContributions2.zip</font>

To apply:
Paste the 9 ".gan" files into your SemiRandom/GAN_BIN directory and add the following lines to GanList.txt (located in your SemiRandom/LIST_CRATE directory):


CelestialGoblyn1_U_R_OR_EMT_MNT_
CelestialGoblyn2_LK_U_R_OR_SEA_S_N_
Cor1_U_R_FST_L_
GAN11_U_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_
GAN12_U_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_
Stryke1_TMP_U_A_FST_N_
Taqwus1_CO_U_R_PLN_EMT_WST_SWP_FRM_
Turin1_U_A_FRM_N_
Turin2_U_A_N_


These are new and were not included in RanDom version 203.

More great additions from the community for the community. Thanks!

Pehmyt October 3rd, 2008 05:17 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03
 
I've been trying to set up some custom AI gods on a scenario map with predefined starting positions for each nation (Dawn of Dominions). However, it seems impossible to just get the gods, without messing up the starts. Am I doing something wrong? With "Desired number of players"=12 and AI gods (land+sea)=11, I get 11 custom gods, but they have new, silly starting positions, while the human player gets to keep his start as given in the original map file. If I set "D.N.players"=0 there are no new starts, but also no custom gods, independent of AI gods settings.

So far the best solution has been to delete the undesired #specstart lines by hand (actually by sed), and its working well, but I was hoping for a better solution.

Anyway, thanks for this wonderful tool.

Ballbarian October 3rd, 2008 07:24 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Pehmyt,
Sorry. Just saw your post and I have to leave 5 minutes ago. I will return late tonight and see if I can help you if someone hasn't beaten me to it.

Ballbarian October 4th, 2008 12:03 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pehmyt (Post 642669)
I've been trying to set up some custom AI gods on a scenario map with predefined starting positions for each nation (Dawn of Dominions). However, it seems impossible to just get the gods, without messing up the starts. Am I doing something wrong? With "Desired number of players"=12 and AI gods (land+sea)=11, I get 11 custom gods, but they have new, silly starting positions, while the human player gets to keep his start as given in the original map file. If I set "D.N.players"=0 there are no new starts, but also no custom gods, independent of AI gods settings.

So far the best solution has been to delete the undesired #specstart lines by hand (actually by sed), and its working well, but I was hoping for a better solution.

Anyway, thanks for this wonderful tool.
The option to place the custom gods with RanDom is tied directly to assigning start positions. Dawn of Dominions is a scenario map with predefined start locations (as you pointed out). RanDom tries to work around existing start locations and provinces with custom content. That is why you are seeing the silly start placement. Your current solution is the best workaround. RanDom was really designed to take a generic map file and spice it up. The custom gods and start locations came later as an afterthought. :)

(Thanks for the thanks!)

Ballbarian October 8th, 2008 09:57 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Just some touch up to the main post. Added links to help those who run into the missing ocx error and some sample map images pulled in from some of the older posts.

(Pardon my mess. :) )

MaxWilson December 7th, 2008 01:53 AM
Re: RanDom v2 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... the se
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ballbarian (Post 528367)
Has anyone had any problems running this in Vista? Judging by the little I have read online, it appears that it should run fine.

What exactly happened Valandil? What error message did you receive and at what point in the process?
I am having problems with Vista. Currently getting an error:

Code:
                          Lost in time...
Could not open 'C:\usr\dominions3\SemiRandom\GANPLAINS'
Try again? (y or n): y
Enter name of .map file to modify (leave off extension please!): scenario

          Adding stuff... |
---Error in main, line 1692: index 1 (=-2) out of range
---Error: Program stopped due to an error
I'm trying to track it down now.

Edit: Okay, I've read some earlier posts in this thread about this problem, and Ballbarian recommends going to the AI tab and making sure you've got EA w/ Tir Na N'og turned off. I've been running Semirandom straight from the command line, but just in case I tried going to RanDom and doing this... no luck. But at least I'm pretty sure it's a problem with the allowed provinces. More when I find the problem.

-Max

MaxWilson December 7th, 2008 02:27 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Okay, I'm not sure exactly what was causing the problem (i.e. why the array indexing wasn't right) but I finally decided that the PRINT was simply a logging statement, so I REM'ed it out... and it seems to work. Now to experiment with the God editor and some scenarios. I'm glad that I'm finally getting around to this, I've been meaning to play with SemiRandom for ages.

Edit: nope, I guess I was just lucky. It didn't really work because semirandom.yab is the *source code* for the .exe, not something which is actively being used by the .exe. It turns out I just got lucky that time (I guess it happened to pick all valid nations that time I tried it). Back to work for me, trying to isolate the problem.

MaxWilson December 7th, 2008 03:07 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Okay, I *think* the problem is that nation.cfg should have a "-" instead of "!" in front of Tir Na N'Og to mark it as off-limits. After making this change, SemiRandom appears to be working reliably, although I'm puzzled why it assigns several versions of the same God to a given nation (EA Arc) with different lands. However, that's probably valid and I just don't understand map files well enough to know that.

-Max

MaxWilson December 7th, 2008 05:43 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
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Okay, here's a version that should "just work" for anyone doing SingleAge games. It has a bunch of stuff from Ballbarian's first post all rolled into one (e.g. all of Foodstamp's GANs, Ballbarian's extra Gods) and the nation config file set for all nations in EA/MA. (LA is omitted because it has no God files yet.) Actually, let me rephrase that: pick your nation by editing nation.config to move the hyphen "-" onto your nation. Other than that it should just work.

-Max

Ballbarian December 8th, 2008 03:27 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Sorry that I missed your posts this afternoon MaxWilson. I will review your problems tomorrow night. I am already running about 4 hours behind on sleep and I expect work to be rough in the morning.

Coldshard December 9th, 2008 03:59 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Sorry if this was answered somewhere in the thread and I missed it.. but I'm having the, 'component TABCTL32.OCX or one of its dependencies not correctly registered' error. I found the file in this thread but putting a copy in the dominions folder doesnt help nor does putting it in the system32 folder.

Where should I put this file to make it work? Or do I need to change some other setting somewhere?

Ballbarian December 9th, 2008 09:31 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Coldshard,
See this post:
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showp...&postcount=117

Just replace references to comdlg32.ocx with tabctl32.ocx.

Ballbarian December 9th, 2008 09:48 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxWilson (Post 657913)
Okay, I *think* the problem is that nation.cfg should have a "-" instead of "!" in front of Tir Na N'Og to mark it as off-limits. After making this change, SemiRandom appears to be working reliably, although I'm puzzled why it assigns several versions of the same God to a given nation (EA Arc) with different lands. However, that's probably valid and I just don't understand map files well enough to know that.

-Max
The RanDom program (for Win users) takes care of the nation configuration and other options, because (as you have discovered :) ) it can be a daunting task to set all of these options manually and get everything working as you would like. Even with using the gui it can be a challenge.

- reserve for human
! disable this nation
<null> enabled for AI

The multiple placements of EA Arc is because that nation number is 0 and it is the first nation in the nation cfg list. Sounds like some of your settings might be off a tad.

Ballbarian December 9th, 2008 10:01 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
For some examples that might help clarify some things, I will post some of my own current settings.

Nation Configuration screen from within RanDom
(So you can see graphically how SemiRandom sees the settings in the Nations.cfg file posted below.)
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/pictu...&pictureid=111


Nations.cfg (EA section only)
Code:
===EARLY ERA===
!0 Arcoscephale
1 Ermor
2 Ulm
!3 Marverni
!4 Sauromatia
!5 T'ien Ch'i
!7 Mictlan
!8 Abysia
!9 Caelum
10 C'tis
11 Pangaea
!12 Agartha
13 Tir na n'Og
14 Fomoria
!15 Vanheim
!16 Helheim
!17 Niefelheim
!18 Kailasa
!19 Yomi
-20 Hinnom
!*21 Atlantis
!*22 R'lyeh
!*26 Oceania
68 Lanka
SemiRandom.cfg
Code:
C:\Games\dominions3\SemiRandom
 0
 100
 1
 0
 25
 25
-1
-1
-1
-1
-1
 0
 7
 0
 2
EA
 20
 4
 0
-1
255 000 000 255
Faerunmod_SR
Hope that helps.

Ballbarian December 9th, 2008 10:10 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
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Since I am running out of time again, I will go ahead and attach Stavis_L's wonderful contributions to this post. When time permits, I will either do a proper upload and announcement or post an updated "compilation" to simplify things for new users.

Edit:
Attached to this post are 46 new GOD files & 38 new GAN province files in zip format submitted by <font color="green">Stavis_L</font>. This is a great addition to the library and the new god files are greatly appreciated!

<font color="red">Stavis_L_GodsAndProvinces.zip</font>

To apply:
Paste the 38 ".god" files into your SemiRandom/GOD_BIN directory and add the following lines to GodList.txt (located in your SemiRandom/LIST_CRATE directory):

STAVX1_64_A_LA_
STAVX2_70_A_LA_
STAVM1_58_A_LA_
STAVM10_62_A_LA_
STAVM11_51_A_LA_
STAVM12_53_A_LA_
STAVM13_54_A_LA_
STAVM14_61_A_LA_
STAVM15_67_A_LA_SEA_
STAVM16_56_A_LA_
STAVM17_55_A_LA_
STAVM18_52_A_LA_
STAVM19_70_A_LA_
STAVM2_57_A_LA_
STAVM20_71_A_LA_
STAVM21_65_A_LA_
STAVM3_49_A_LA_
STAVM4_66_A_LA_
STAVM5_64_A_LA_
STAVM6_59_A_LA_
STAVM7_60_A_LA_
STAVM8_50_A_LA_
STAVM9_63_A_LA_
STAVH1_66_A_LA_
STAVH10_49_A_LA_
STAVH11_53_A_LA_
STAVH12_54_A_LA_
STAVH13_59_A_LA_
STAVH14_61_A_LA_
STAVH15_55_A_LA_
STAVH16_58_A_LA_
STAVH17_57_A_LA_
STAVH18_67_A_LA_SEA_
STAVH19_60_A_LA_
STAVH2_71_A_LA_
STAVH20_62_A_LA_
STAVH21_63_A_LA_
STAVH22_64_A_LA_
STAVH23_65_A_LA_
STAVH3_70_A_LA_
STAVH4_52_A_LA_
STAVH5_52_A_LA_
STAVH6_51_A_LA_
STAVH7_51_A_LA_
STAVH8_56_A_LA_
STAVH9_50_A_LA_

Paste the 46 ".gan" files into your SemiRandom/GAN_BIN directory and add the following lines to GanList.txt (located in your SemiRandom/LIST_CRATE directory):

STAV1_CLD_CO_U_R_WST_DS_
STAV10_HOT_IS_U_R_FST_
STAV11_TMP_VL_M_R_FST_S_
STAV12_M_R_WTR_N_.gan
STAV13_TMP_M_R_PLN_EMT_
STAV14_U_A_
STAV15_TMP_U_R_FST_N_NS_
STAV16_U_R_WST_FS_
STAV17_U_R_WST_FS_
STAV18_TMP_VL_U_R_FST_
STAV19_U_R_OR_SWP_FST_
STAV2_HOT_U_R_SWP_S_WS_
STAV20_U_R_OR_PLN_FST_FRM_
STAV21_U_R_OR_PLN_FST_FRM_
STAV22_U_R_
STAV23_CO_U_R_
STAV24_M_R_DEP_
STAV25_CLD_IS_U_R_FST_FS_
STAV26_TMP_M_R_FST_
STAV27_M_R_FST_
STAV28_M_R_DEP_
STAV29_M_R_SEA_
STAV3_TMP_LO_U_R_FST_
STAV30_TMP_U_A_
STAV31_M_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_SWP_FST_FRM_
STAV32_M_R_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_SWP_FST_FRM_
STAV33_M_R_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_FRM_
STAV34_CLD_M_R_OR_PLN_EMT_FST_FRM_
STAV35_TMP_M_R_OR_PLN_EMT_FST_FRM_
STAV36_HOT_M_R_OR_EMT_MNT_FST_
STAV37_CLD_M_R_OR_PLN_EMT_FST_FRM_
STAV38_HOT_M_R_OR_EMT_MNT_FST_
STAV4_CLD_U_R_SEA_
STAV5_U_R_EMT_SS_
STAV6_U_R_EMT_FST_
STAV7_CO_U_R_PLN_MST_
STAV8_HOT_U_R_EMT_WST_
STAV9_LK_U_R_WTR_


These are new and were not included in RanDom version 203.

More great additions from the community for the community. Thanks!

Edit: See the Gan & God Compilation for updated version with syntax fixes for some of the god files included in this archive.

Ballbarian February 8th, 2009 11:35 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
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Attached to this post are 37 new GAN province files in zip format submitted by <font color="green">Happyfungi</font>. From the land of Pax Ravana (where a breakaway faction of Ermor refuses to ackowledge the new god and worships a diffent god instead) to Bergrens Hollow, more variety and challenges await.

<font color="red">HapyfungiGANS.zip</font>

To apply:
Paste the 37 ".gan" files into your SemiRandom/GAN_BIN directory and add the following lines to GanList.txt (located in your SemiRandom/LIST_CRATE directory):

Happyfungi1_TMP_U_R_OR_PLN_FST_FRM_N_
Happyfungi11_U_R_OR_SEA_DEP_S_N_L_
Happyfungi12_IS_U_R_OR_S_N_L_
Happyfungi2_TMP_U_R_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_FST_N_L_
Happyfungi3_HOT_U_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_S_N_L_
Happyfungi4_CLD_U_A_OR_PLN_FRM_S_N_L_
Happyfungi5_U_R_OR_PLN_CAV_EMT_MNT_S_N_L_
Happyfungi6_HOT_CO_U_R_OR_PLN_WST_SWP_N_L_
Happyfungi7_U_A_OR_SEA_S_N_L_
Happyfungi8_U_A_OR_DEP_S_N_L_
Hapyfungi10_HOT_M_A_OR_SWP_FST_S_N_SS_NS_
Hapyfungi11_CLD_M_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_S_
Hapyfungi12_HOT_M_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_
Hapyfungi13_TMP_M_A_OR_PLN_FRM_S_
Hapyfungi14_TMP_M_A_OR_FST_S_
Hapyfungi15_TMP_M_A_OR_EMT_MNT_S_
Hapyfungi16_TMP_M_A_OR_WST_S_
Hapyfungi17_M_A_OR_SEA_DEP_CAV_WTR_S_N_L_
Hapyfungi21_M_A_DEP_N_
Hapyfungi28_M_U_SEA_N_
Hapyfungi29_CLD_M_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_N_L_AS_WS_
Hapyfungi30_HOT_M_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_N_L_FS_BS_
Hapyfungi31_TMP_U_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_N_L_
Hapyfungi32_TMP_U_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_N_L_
Hapyfungi33_HOT_U_R_OR_EMT_MNT_FST_L_
Hapyfungi34_TMP_U_A_OR_CAV_EMT_N_ES_S_
Hapyfungi35_HOT_CO_U_R_OR_EMT_FST_L_
Hapyfungi36_TMP_U_R_FRM_S_
Hapyfungi37_HOT_U_R_FRM_S_
Hapyfungi38_IS_U_R_FST_S_
Hapyfungi39_PN_U_R_PLN_S_
Hapyfungi40_VL_U_R_EMT_S_
Hapyfungi41_CO_U_R_PLN_S_
Hapyfungi42_CLD_U_R_OR_PLN_EMT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM_S_
Hapyfungi43_TMP_U_R_OR_PLN_EMT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM_S_
Hapyfungi44_HOT_U_R_OR_PLN_EMT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM_S_
Hapyfungi9_VL_U_R_OR_EMT_MNT_S_N_L_

These are new and were not included in RanDom version 203.

More great additions from the community for the community. Thanks!

Gandalf Parker February 8th, 2009 12:42 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
I should try and figure out what our grand total is now,
and maybe chart out what we have to try and spot holes that could use some filling.
(I SHOULD, and might, but I will mention it just in case someone else wants to take a stab at it also as a community service) :)

das123 February 9th, 2009 04:52 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Is there a help file or tutorial on using SemiRandom? I have never been able to get this to work for me. Usually throws exceptions on line 1695: 'Index 1 (=-1) out of range' if that is a help.

Ballbarian February 9th, 2009 09:37 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
There is a help file included with SemiRandom, but it is very out of date. Some new options exist in the configuration files that were not available when the docs were written. It might help you understand how the program works though. Some day I hope to be motivated enough to take a stab at either an extensive tutorial OR a complete rewrite with a simpler set of options, a cleaner UI and more extensive error checking. Neither sounds like much fun right now as my job has been more demanding as of late.

Here is kind of the stock request:
It would be a great help if you could send me the file "TESTDUMP.txt" located in your SemiRandom directory to ballbarian-AT-gmail.com. This only records data from the last run of SemiRandom, so if you have run subsequent maps through it without an error, it won't do any good to send it.

If I had to guess, I would say that your problem is likely tied to AI nation selection. Until recently, there had only been god files for EA, so check the "AI Gods" tab and confirm which Era is selected and hit the "Show Nation Configuration" button and make sure that any nations which have no god files are disabled or set to human.

The following helped Stryke11 when he was having trouble:
To let Dom3 handle start locations and AI gods:
1. Go to the 'Starts' tab
2. Uncheck 'Lock Player Counts to Nat Cfg'
3. Set 'Desired Num Players' to 0 (zero)

To use the custom start placements without using the custom AI gods:
1. Go to the 'Starts' tab
2. Uncheck 'Lock Player Counts to Nat Cfg'
3. Set 'Desired Num Players' to your desired number of players.
4. Go to the 'AI Gods' tab
5. Set 'AI Land Players' & 'AI Sea Players' to 0 (zero)

Ballbarian February 9th, 2009 09:39 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker (Post 673126)
I should try and figure out what our grand total is now,
and maybe chart out what we have to try and spot holes that could use some filling.
(I SHOULD, and might, but I will mention it just in case someone else wants to take a stab at it also as a community service) :)
Please do Gandalf. I am curious as well. :)

Gandalf Parker February 9th, 2009 10:52 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
I will put in this pitch.

I have never found documentation written by the developer to be great documentation. By the time a programmer gets a program working, they are already too deeply into it to start trying to think like a newbie. They take too much for granted, and spend too much time explaining deep subjects instead of the basic how-to

Being deeply involved in the project from before its beginning Im not sure if I could write them either. (altho with my horrible lack of decent memory maybe I could do it like a newb) :)

IMHO the best thing for the entire community is for someone who is tackling the program for the first time to take good notes. What questions came up, what answers they got, what steps were required. That would not only be helpful to Ballbarian in smoothing any bumps but to all of us. If you are at all interested in the SemiRandom map improver and you feel you take good notes then this would be a chance to offer something to the community.

VedalkenBear February 9th, 2009 12:08 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
GP: Maybe I'll try this, because I redownloaded this either last night or this morning, and I'm struggling to work through it again.

At least I'm getting no outright errors now.

das123 February 9th, 2009 03:22 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Thanks for your response, I found your earlier post and when I selected one of the gods as 'human' it worked for me.

As I've recently struggled through using the generator, I would be happy to help write a tutorial for it as well. I think it is a great idea to get relative newbies to start writing a guide because there is nothing 'taken for granted'.

das123 February 9th, 2009 07:25 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
1 Attachment(s)
Attached is a draft version. A lot of holes but may help.

Inside the zip file is an HTML file. :)

Ballbarian February 10th, 2009 12:31 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Thanks a ton das123! :up::cool::up:

I read through your guide and jotted some very rough notes & thoughts which I will share here:


************************************************** ************************************************** ***********
section: Map details setup
Might be nice to have a few notes on how I come up with appropriate dimensions versus province count. Now what did I do with that formula??? As a general rule, decide on how many provinces you would like and look for an existing map with a similar count and use it's dimensions as a general guide.

Normal Mount check box - when unchecked mountains are impassable and can create choke points within a map. When checked, mountains are provinces themselves (like they were in DomPPP & Dom2).

section: Borders
Map Noise - Adds a speckling effect to the map lands. Increasing this slider increases the speckling. A little can add some texture, too much can get pretty ugly. I usually set this around 15 or less.

section: General Tab
Fiddle Prov% - note that can be set above 100%. The higher the setting, the more time SemiRandom is allowed to try to fill provinces.

Fiddle XP - note: (to clarify) leave unchecked to keep from showing up in the Hall of Fame.

section: Starts Tab
Provinces Per Player - This one is a rather strange and hard to describe critter in how it relates to some of the other settings. Maybe the easiest way to describe it is the following:

DEFAULT_PROVPERPLAYER=20
Priority is:
1. numPlayers
2. provPerPlayer (numPlayers=provCount/provPerPlayer)
3. DEFAULT_PROVPERPLAYER (numPlayers=provCount/20)

So if numPlayers has a value other than -1, then this is the number of player starts that semiRandom will try to place.

If numPlayers is set to -1, and provPerPlayer has a value other than -1, calculate the number of starts to attempt to place by dividing the total province count by the provPerPlayer value. Hmmm. Setting this to zero will surely crash the program. Damn sloppy programmer. :)

If both numPlayers & provPerPlayer are set to -1, then just use the default value of 20 to calculate numPlayers based on the number of provinces on the map.


Lock Player to Nat Cfg checkbox - When this box is checked, changes to a nations sliders (in the nation configuration screen) will adjust the "Desired Num Players" count. Setting a nation to "HUMAN" or "AI" will increase the number of players and changing a nation to "DISABLED" will reduce this value so you don't have to. If you enable a sea nation (like R'lyeh) it will also increment "Max Sea Starts" for you or decrease it if you disable a sea nation. And finally, it will automatically adjust "AI Land Players" & "AI Sea Players" for you as you make changes to the sliders. I highly recommend leaving this box checked.

section: AI Gods Tab
How can you tell which races have .god files?
Ah, sorry. That is not as easy to check as I made it sound.
Unless I have missed a recent patch added nation, all early & mid era nations should have a god (as long as the user has downloaded all of the available god files from the RanDom forum thread) and I believe that with the addition of Stavis_L's god files we have one for every late era nation as well. If you look in your GOD_BIN, you will see that the god file names contain the nation number and which era they belong to. So nation zero (0) is EA Arcoscephale.

************************************************** ************************************************** ***********

I hope that helps to fill in some of the gray areas and thanks again for your wonderful contribution. :)
Two penguins up for you! :penguin: :penguin:

das123 February 10th, 2009 04:25 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Thanks for the feedback. :)

I'm working my way through it. I've come up with a simple(ish) formula for map dimensions. Essentially if you allow each province a 120 x 120 pixel dimension, you simply multiply the number of provinces by 120 squared to get your total pixels. To make a square map you just take the square root of this total; or you can set an arbitary width - divide the total pixels by this amount to get the height. So the the formula is w x h = p x (120 x 120).

With Fiddle Prov%, is it a logrithmic scale, linear scale, or some other formula. I'm wondering if 100 in the builder is really 50% or some other figure?

I'll post next draft again soon.

das123 February 10th, 2009 05:28 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
1 Attachment(s)
Here's the next draft addressing the items raised...

llamabeast February 10th, 2009 10:02 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
VERY nicely done das123, thanks!! I think I will finally have a go at using this now.

llamabeast February 10th, 2009 10:05 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Am I correct in understanding that in order to get all the data files, we should look through this thread to find all the available downloads?

Maybe we could compile them all into one single download?

Ballbarian February 10th, 2009 02:41 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by das123 (Post 673564)
Thanks for the feedback. :)

With Fiddle Prov%, is it a logrithmic scale, linear scale, or some other formula. I'm wondering if 100 in the builder is really 50% or some other figure?
Nothing fancy, just a brute force applied via a blunt hammer. :)
Here is the relevant code:
Code:
REM Set fiddleCount (how many provinces to modify)...
fiddleCount=int(((provCount*fiddlePercent)/100))

REM Select random provinces to mark for modification...
fin=false
i=0
attempts=0 REM Saftey to prevent risk of infinite loop...
while (fin=false)
  attempts=attempts+1
  x=int(ran(provCount))+1
  if terFlag(x)=0 then
        if offLimits(x)=1 then
          terFlag(x)=-1
        else
          i=i+1
          terFlag(x)=1
        endif
  endif
  if attempts>=(provCount*(10*fiddlePercent)) then
        PRINT #9 "*** WARNING: ATTEMPTS >= (10xfiddlePercent)xProvCount ***"
        PRINT #9 "Could not select desired number of provinces for modification."
  endif
  if (i>=fiddleCount) or (attempts>=(provCount*(10*fiddlePercent))) then
        fin=true
  endif

Ballbarian February 10th, 2009 02:46 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by llamabeast (Post 673592)
Am I correct in understanding that in order to get all the data files, we should look through this thread to find all the available downloads?
They should all be listed in the first post of this thread with either links to the download or links to the post containing the download.

Quote:
Originally Posted by llamabeast (Post 673592)
Maybe we could compile them all into one single download?
This is actually a fairly high priority. I would be tickled pink if someone put together a compilation before I got to it. :)

das123 February 10th, 2009 03:31 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Ahhh, so the percentage is the number of times the program will randomly select provinces for changing. As the program can select the same province more than once, 100% is in reality closer to 50% of the provinces being affected. 200% would be statistically about 75% and so on. So it works logarithmically in effect. :)

Jazzepi February 10th, 2009 03:52 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Is there any way you could create a province generator that would make wrap around maps? :9

Pretty plz?

Jazzepi

llamabeast February 10th, 2009 06:38 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
ParadoxHarbinger made one Jazzepi. The maps it makes are a bit garish, but I understand it works well. I suppose the solution would be some photoshopping (or GIMPing) after they're generated.

Gandalf Parker February 10th, 2009 07:21 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
PH's mapgen will accept color preferences so it doesnt need to be garish. The biggest problem I have with it is that he considers this to be an instruction on how to do something.
http://paradoxharbinger.wikidot.com/...140cef6b4a.png

Ive been messing with it by randomly changing settings. Here is a batch of 300-400 prov maps
http://www.dom3minions.com/RandomMaps/Mid_Wrapped/

Someone can grab one of those and use a paint program to fill the provs with something. You can even use the Dom3 sprites that Kristoffer gave us.

HBs latest screen shots look great if he ever comes back to finish it.
http://paradoxharbinger.wikidot.com/screenshots

VedalkenBear February 10th, 2009 10:52 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Okay, I'm getting an error when I try to run SemiRandom. Assuming this is a RTE in VB, I'm getting an Array out of Bounds error in line 1692 of main.

Can someone clear this up for me? Note: This happens in the 'adding stuff' stage.

Also, does the latest version of RanDom (in post 1) have all of the .GAN and other files made so far?

Ballbarian February 10th, 2009 11:45 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VedalkenBear (Post 673737)
Okay, I'm getting an error when I try to run SemiRandom. Assuming this is a RTE in VB, I'm getting an Array out of Bounds error in line 1692 of main.

Can someone clear this up for me? Note: This happens in the 'adding stuff' stage.
Here is kind of the stock request:
It would be a great help if you could send me the file "TESTDUMP.txt" located in your SemiRandom directory to ballbarian-AT-gmail.com. This only records data from the last run of SemiRandom, so if you have run subsequent maps through it without an error, it won't do any good to send it.

If I had to guess, I would say that your problem is likely tied to AI nation selection. Until recently, there had only been god files for EA, so check the "AI Gods" tab and confirm which Era is selected and hit the "Show Nation Configuration" button and make sure that any nations which have no god files are disabled or set to human.

The following helped Stryke11 when he was having trouble:
To let Dom3 handle start locations and AI gods:
1. Go to the 'Starts' tab
2. Uncheck 'Lock Player Counts to Nat Cfg'
3. Set 'Desired Num Players' to 0 (zero)

To use the custom start placements without using the custom AI gods:
1. Go to the 'Starts' tab
2. Uncheck 'Lock Player Counts to Nat Cfg'
3. Set 'Desired Num Players' to your desired number of players.
4. Go to the 'AI Gods' tab
5. Set 'AI Land Players' & 'AI Sea Players' to 0 (zero)



Quote:
Originally Posted by VedalkenBear (Post 673737)
Also, does the latest version of RanDom (in post 1) have all of the .GAN and other files made so far?
No. But your timing couldn't have been better. See my next post. :)

Ballbarian February 11th, 2009 12:02 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
1 Attachment(s)
2/10/2009 GAN and GOD Compilation (UPDATED*)
************************************************** *********


Included in this zip are 78 god files, 168 gan province files, GANLIST.txt, GODLIST.txt, SemiRandom QUICKPATCH 1.07 and the latest available NationsCfg317. This compilation should include all of the available downloads including patches that were available in the RanDom v2.03 thread as of this writing. These files were not included in the RanDom_v203.zip

INSTALLATION:
This text assumes that you have a working version of RanDom v2.03 installed.

SemiRandom QUICKPATCH 1.07:
Upgrades SemiRandom v106 to v107.
To apply:
Replace SemiRandom.exe in your dominions3/SemiRandom folder with the one included in SemiRandom107patch.zip.
Fixes:
Start placement code will no longer ignore "nostart" flags in custom maps.

NationsCfg317:
Brings nation selections up to dominions version 3.17
To apply:
Paste the Nations.cfg file into your dominions3\SemiRandom folder. This replaces the Nations.cfg that was included in RanDom v203.


GAN PROVINCE FILES:
To apply:
Paste the 168 ".gan" files into your SemiRandom/GAN_BIN directory and copy/paste the contents of GANLIST.txt (included with this download) to the end of GanList.txt (located in your SemiRandom/LIST_CRATE directory).

GOD FILES:
To apply:
Paste the 78 ".god" files into your SemiRandom/GOD_BIN directory and copy/paste the contents of GODLIST.txt (included with this download) to the end of GodList.txt (located in your SemiRandom/LIST_CRATE directory).


Contributors include:
Foodstamp, Gandalf, Jutetrea, quantum_mechani, CelestialGoblyn, Cor, Stryke, Taqwus, Turin, Stavis_L & Happyfungi

Many thanks!

- Ballbarian

*UPDATED:
Re-uploaded with syntax fixes to a few god files. 2/22/2009

das123 February 11th, 2009 02:35 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Just found an error in the new GanList.txt file, Ballbarian. On line 12 there is a space in the name between FRM and _S_N_L...

JASON9_U_A_OR_PLN_SEA_DEP_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_N_L_

EDIT:
Just found a few more. All the names longer than 50 characters have a space at the 50 character mark.

Hapyfungi12_HOT_M_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_

Hapyfungi29_CLD_M_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_N_L_AS_WS_
Hapyfungi30_HOT_M_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_N_L_FS_BS_
Hapyfungi31_TMP_U_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_N_L_
Hapyfungi32_TMP_U_A_OR_PLN_EMT_MNT_WST_SWP_FST_FRM _S_N_L_

Ballbarian February 11th, 2009 08:43 AM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Thanks!
Fixed and replaced. :)

I have used good ol' notepad for many years when dealing with quick, simple text files, but this was the last straw. Why in the world MS thought they had to fiddle with notepad (in Vista :doh:) I will never know, but they have broken it. I already used Vim for a lot of text editing, but it looks like it is time to switch over completely. /end rant. :p

Gandalf Parker February 11th, 2009 12:17 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Im not sure about Vista but in XP I was very happy with some of the notepad improved versions out there. They seemed to think like me. Keep the good things about it but add a few niceties. Like Note Tab, NotePad++, NotePad Plus, etc.

Ballbarian February 22nd, 2009 08:07 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Update:
Added a link to das123's RanDom Help Guide which is now viewable online at:
http://www.dom3minions.com/~semirand...p_Draft02.html

Thanks again das123!

Ballbarian February 22nd, 2009 10:32 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
Update:
Re-uploaded the GAN and GOD Compilation with syntax fixes to a few god files. For simplicity's sake, I will not be updating the Stavis_L gods & provinces upload. Sorry for the inconvenience, but I don't want to try to maintain too many archives. All that needs to be replaced is the Stavis_L god files. No changes to god lists are necessary, just copy and replace the god files themselves and you are all set.

Edit: After uploading, found an error in the GanList that was included in the compilation. I have corrected it and replaced the original. It is a simple ".gan" that was left in the list on one of Stavis_L's provinces. If you do not want to download the whole compilation for this minor fix, just search your GanList.txt (with a 'find' command or equivalent) for ".gan". If found, remove the ".gan" part.

Theonlystd March 23rd, 2009 07:21 PM
Re: RanDom v2.03 - Map gen & Semirandomizer... Updated
 
I've never been smart enough to get this to work properly =o


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