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I hope they like Calamari. I know he just loves gibboleth.

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It'll make a beautiful addition to inner Agartha's appropriately labyrinthine defenses.

I'm personally looking forward to the clash between Helheim and the Pangaean masses. I've been thinking that valley was empty for the entire game, and then when I finally scout it out properly - holy crap that's a lot of satyrs.

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Wow, I find this incredibly irritating. I wish random windfalls would send me an extra 100 gems. It'd be different if Atlantis and whatever nation Sensori was playing were allied against some nation, but to just randomly give them out because they "asked for them first"?

Please. Just die with your gems instead of unbalancing the game for the rest of us. Some of us don't have benefactors to just send us tons of gems.

Jazzepi

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I do (and did) with my gems what I want, especially now that I'm being put six feet under. I gave the same amount of gems to Yomi, so my gems didn't ALL go to one nation. What they do with them now is their business. When I posted the half/half thing I had far less gems and didn't quite expect to have as many of them as I ended up having, but a promise is a promise. I said I'd give them my gems fifty-fifty, and I did. Simple as that.

I hate it a lot more when people just die silently and give stuff to others under the counter, so that you might ever find out it even happened is if the guy who received things says so. But apparently others like it that way. At least now I know to just keep my mouth shut next time. Ignorance is bliss!

Hey, Helheim taking over my capital is also "unbalancing", and Agartha eating up the other half (which was oddly gem site rich, I might add) is just as much "unbalancing". They got one fortress per, gem sites and so on. Helheim even got my capital completely intact. I think spreading the "unbalance" caused by my death to four nations instead of just two is actually a good thing. And hundred random gems (of which most were air gems, by the way) isn't quite as unbalancing in the long run than having a bunch more (gem rich) provinces than you would otherwise have because you ate up someone.

You see it as unbalancing (well, duh, I quite directly helped your enemy, of course you'll see it as a bad thing). I see it as the following: At the very least my short presence will be felt in the game even after my nation's death, and not only in the form of a much stronger Helheim. And maybe Agartha.

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Except for the fact that both the nations that gobbled up your territories had to earn it. Atlantis, and Yomi, did absolutely nothing to deserve getting 100 random gems. My problem isn't that either Argatha or Helheim is ahead in the race to win the game, my problem is you just gave the person I'm attacking gems for no reason. So all you've done is disrupted the power balance between our two nations.

Jazzepi

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Had to earn it? Don't make me laugh. 10 times out of 10, Marverni loses to Helheim's rush. No matter what you do as Marverni that early, you're about as hard for Helheim to just run over as indie provinces. Nice lil snack for minimum effort. You know how many Helhirdings and Valkyries I killed in the entirety of the war? Like... 5 in total, if not less. And that took the combined effort of my entire, remaining, army. Which also happened to be the largest army I had during the entire war. I take great pride in the fact that I actually managed to do SOMETHING to Helheim by pillaging a few provinces, because, you know, I was completely outclassed.

Helheim just had to be at the right place (be a neighbor of Marverni). Agartha had to be at the right place at the right time (be a neighbor of Marverni and be at a perfect position when Helheim rushes said nation). Atlantis and Yomi did do something to deserve said 100 gems. They were the first ones to say that they wanted the halves I was going to give away anyway. Their effort was, from my point of view, about comparable to that of the two nations that actually are offing me.

Obviously you would've preferred if I just had kept my mouth shut and let you fight Atlantis without knowing about any additional pyl... Gems. Point taken, next time I won't say a word. ;p

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Marverni being a weak nation is irrelevant to the point at hand. You've skewed the balance of power, by some amount large or small, by throwing your gems to random people.

If you're so upset that you got Marverni in a game with random nations then you should go complain to the devs about the power balance of the nation, not attempt to ruin it for the rest of us because you randomly got placed next to Helheim with a weak nation.

Jazzepi

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Huh? You're trying to turn this into me being upset about something?

...

Let's rewind a little.

I've had fun with what little I've had, trying to postpone my imminent demise while killing people in Helheim's provinces (ha ha, that's a couple less provinces for him to use for blood slaves later on!). I'm not upset about the fact that Marverni's weak in early game, I actually already like the nation. And as I see it, the more I can spread the lub of Marverni the better. At the point I made the whole "who wants half of my gems?" thing, I also had so few of them that cutting it up to 1/4ths would've made the amount completely laughable. This is what you have a problem with. However, this is completely supported by the game itself.

You say you are upset about me saying that I sent my gems out to people who were selected on first come first served basis, which is somewhat random, sure. Truth is, you got upset only after you learned the number of the gems (hundred zomg), and are making it damn obvious to me that you would've been perfectly happy with me being completely silent about the gems after asking about who'd want them the way I did, which is quite stupid from my point of view, although it seems to be the norm in the game. Ignorance is bliss. As I said, I've taken your (strange) point and will never ever say a word about possible sendings of gems to anyone when I lose again.

Indeed, from this little convo we've been having I think it's YOU who should be complaining to the devs about a built-in feature that's making you get all upset. MY gems, MY choice to give them away the way I want. NOT YOURS.

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Actually, I had no idea you had done this until I read it in a post 3 up. I didn't even see the call for people to line up to get free gems, or I would have said something then.

My problem is with the fact that you're not even involved in the conflict between Ry'leh and Atlantis. You have no ties to it, for all I know, Maverni is on the other corner of the map, but for some reason the person I'm fighting against suddenly has an extra hundred gems for no reason other than a quick forum post?

What if it was an extra 3000 gold? What if someone had staled 3-4 turns, had huge coffers and just felt like giving them out?

And of course they're *your* gems. I don't think that there should be any literal control over how they're sent, or who they can be sent to, but my problem isn't with that. I don't think that the devs should build anything into the game. My problem is that you're pissing my cheerios because you want to have some sort of last huzzah before you're wiped out of the game.

>MY gems, MY choice to give them away the way I want. NOT YOURS.

Just because they're your gems doesn't mean you should do anything you want with them. Theoretically, I could sign up for a game you're in, farm up a couple thousand gold, then give it to one of your opponents. Of course it would be MY gold, but that doesn't mean I SHOULD do all the things I CAN do with it. Do you see the difference?

Jazzepi

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What have we learned, kids? It pays to follow the goings on in the thread, after all.

Yep. Not involved in any shape or form. Note how there was no war when Atlantis said "gimme!". Otherwise I might've reconsidered giving them to him. Well, guess he got lucky.

Luck's fickle fate.

*I* didn't have huge coffers of anything when I did the thing. Thank Helheim for taking me out a lot slower than I thought he would. ;p And 100 random gems isn't exactly a lot, especially when you've been getting more gems than Atlantis on a regular basis for, like, ever, according to the graphs. Probably even closer to types you actually use. In fact I'd say that Atlantis receiving the gems only tipped the balance of power more into status "balance" rather than "imbalance".

If I had 3000 gold, I wouldn't be in the situation I'm in now would I. Ohh... What would I have given for 3000 gold... That would've had my war machine working a little longer.

And you know, these "what ifs" are kind of lame IMO. What if someone was winning the game, had 50:1 provinces compared to everyone, BUT THEN SURRENDERED? :O What if USSR was still standing? What if the nazis had won the 2nd World War?! What if that guy's mother is actually his father?!??!

Seriously though, if someone felt like giving out gems or money for whatever reason, well. That's their choice. If they aren't actually losing or anything, it's like saying... "Here are the keys to victory. Now look as I throw them away." It may suck to the players who didn't receive anything if they actually needed it, but that's how it is. Do you consider inviting another player to conquer some of your provinces before the aggressor manages to take over all of it imbalancing, too? Since as far as I know, that happens. Often.

This "me pissing in your cheerios" happened because you happened to start fighting with a side that happened to be one of the two who said "gimme!" when I asked about giving out the gems. If you actually read the thread at any relatively constant rate, you would've managed to predict this. It is hardly my fault that you are fighting Atlantis rather than Oceania.

Should? Not really. Only thing that's a "should" in this world is dying. ;p Could? Yes. Wanted to? Hell yes. I'm dead. If the only thing I can do to help someone else, even a random nation, to win, is giving gems, I'll do it. At least later, if that side happens to win, I can think that my sacrifice had some part in that victory. A small part, but still a part.

In practice, one thing is griefing and the other one is not. I didn't give them to Atlantis because he's YOUR opponent. I have nothing against you. He just happened to be one of the two people to say "gimme!" when I asked. Not to mention that couple of thousand of gold isn't quite comparable to hundred random gems of which most aren't even usable by the recipient, which will have to be alchemized, dropping the actual number of gems to half. If he wanted to turn them into gold, it'd be closer to 25 fire gems then.

Not to mention that I may have exaggerated the actual number a little. ;p It's closer to 100 than 50, and most of them (~50%, probably over) were air gems, is all I can remember. All in all, I think if I had just wanted to actually affect the game's balance the most, I would've thrown the air gems (all of them) to Caelum or equivalent and so forth. Note how I did not do that.

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If you're going to be eliminated, it is legitimate - and, I might say, entirely wise - to do everything you can to hurt the one that eliminated you. This includes aiding whomever you think to be his likely enemies.

It's the primary means to discourage early rushes like this, which might otherwise completely predominate even in MP.

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I don't know, I think its generally bad form to engage in scorched earth tactics unless your opponent broke a NAP or something else like that. It just smacks of bad sportsmanship to me, trying to degrade the victory of someone who defeated you after the fact. It's only "wise" from a games theory POV if you're trying to influence future games by what you're doing here, which also seems rather poor sportsmanship (as in you're trying to give yourself an advantage in a subsequent game that has nothing to do with that game).

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I actually agree with you. If you're going to salt the earth and discourage people from screwing around with you in future games, I have no problem with that. My issue was with the sheer randomness of the gem distribution. As I mentioned before, the people who got the gems had nothing to do with Maverni.

Jazzepi

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I'd have to agree to Jazzepi. It would have made more sense for him to split his gems up between Helheim's immediate neighbors than to just randomly throw them out.

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He said he was going to do this quite a few turns ago... why didn't you guys pipe up then to try and change his mind?

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Well seeing as how the entire thing went down in 23 minutes here, it would have been a little hard. I was just piping in to state my opinion with the last post. I didn't pipe up before now because it didn't really affect me.

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Exactly. No one on the post said anything negative at all about the gem giveaway when it was originally posted. I just happened to be lucky, saw Sensori's post right after it went up, and said "me too".

At the time, I thought it would be a handful of gems from a dying nation with no gem income left. Imagine my surprise, and delight, when a whole treasure chest arrives.

Oh, and a couple of turns before that, I got the 3000 gp random event. I seem to be lucky in this game so far.

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Argument: "SHOULD'VE THROWN GEMS TO HELHEIM'S NEIGHBORS."

No one helped me out in the fight, so why should I have helped anyone specific? You guys are the ones not making any sense. Why should I help people that would make more sense to you instead of sprinkling my gems where ever I felt like it? You guys didn't help me, Helheim's neighbors didn't help me, why do I care?

I have absolutely no idea.

Argument: "KILLING PEOPLE IS BAD SPORTSMANSHIP."

Right. My nation is dying. I had my armies mobilized into Helheim's lands well before my death was certain anywhere but my head. Very quickly I came to realize that I can't even hold my own with 100 troops against 10 Helhirdings. Result? I try to hit Helheim where it hurts: his pocket book. Bad sportsmanship? If trying to at least do SOMETHING to weaken the attacker is "bad sportsmanship"... That has to be the worst joke I've heard today. Sure, I might've continued it well beyond the last sell by date, but that's all I could do. By the way, I have 0 units left now.

I'd understand claims of "bad sportsmanship" if it was ME who started the war, but guess what? Marverni doesn't try to rush Helheim. There, I almost laughed out at the very idea.

Unless this is the good old "I DIDN'T RAEP HER, HER CLOTHING SAID SHE WANTED IT" argument.

/fuming

Jesus Christ, people. I just wanted to get rid of my gems and hurt Helheim with what I had. Affecting later games? I call people by the names of their nations in every game, for crying out loud. I wouldn't prolly even remember who did what in the next one. My name memory is horrible. To make R'lyeh feel a bit less betrayed by the eevil streaking men of the deep South East, I sent a couple of gems to him that I got last turn.

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I think the argument is baseless. It's his nation. Sensori can do whatever he wants to do with it. Maybe his pretender was feeble minded and is a bit of a lunatic. Whatever the reason it's been done and arguing about won't solve a thing. That's a part of playing a MP game.

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I hate getting bequests unless I've been supporting the fallen nation from behind the scenes.

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I have no problem with giving gems out to whom ever. I don't even mind bumping taxes in dire straits; but for the purpose of raising quick money for defense.

I don't really like scorched earth tactics, as it gives you no benifit. i can understand if the enemy were treacherous, or dishonest. Just for the sake of bitterness is weak in my opinion. I don't think grudges should carry over between games, so hurting the conquering player for no gain annoys me.

I don't think I was trecherous, I had communicated with you severeal turns before, declared war, waited and eventually attacked (the same turn you attacked me). It makes me sad that such aimiable relations would be met with such measures, but to each his own. It is my practice to give my extra gold and gems to the conquering player if they were honorable (to the effect of representing them plundering my stores). I always thought that capturing an enemy lab should steal a small portion of gems, and conquering an enemy province would steal a small percentage of gold. I mean, where are all these gems and goldstores located? Why can't the victor plunder their stores? If that were the case, I would see it to be thematic for players to spirit their gems away to neighbors and friendlies.

in other treachery news, Pangaea attacks without warning or any sort of communication. Helhiem may be quick in getting its come-uppings. That medusa threatens to petrify my entire army.

Cliff Notes:
-Giving gems is fine (pro-choice http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif)
-Scorching the earth is unsportsmanly-like conduct unless responding to similar treachery
-Pangaea is a creep

I think it represents a game imbalance, that I was so easily able to overpower Marverni. I have never played a rush strategy before, never played with, or against Helhiem and made some random god when velusion offered me the extra place. With so little experiance, it shouldnt be so easy to just click the helhirding button a lot and win.

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Now, if my armies had actually been effective against you, I wouldn't have had to go around pillaging in the first place. Why did I start it? I had to give you a very concrete reason why to run after my armies! It was your choice that you attacked Marverni (the province) instead of killing the armies that were ravaging your countryside, in my opinion, and your population paid the price. I didn't "hurt you" for "no reason". You hurt yourself for no reason! ;p Had you left Marverni open for a few turns longer (which is what I was trying to do), my troops would've still sucked, and you would've still managed to beat them all with just looking at them angrily.

But really, I don't see any reason NOT to pillage your (attacking) enemy's lands, especially when there's nothing else you could do to fight them. I don't think anyone *wants* to make his or her enemy stronger with practically no consequences. It doesn't really stand to reason. Why should I opt to not use anything I have in my toolset to fight a menace, if just to make it a little easier for his other neighbors to defeat him?

You know how much unrest that pillage added? Instead of something close to measly 100, that came with tax 200, some provinces jumped up to 300+. Now that's what I was looking for. Weaker provinces with unrest that won't die by just keeping taxes at 0 for a couple of turns. Real consequences! Oh yeah. I also used the income from the pillages to fund my last few armies since I was down to like 20 income. ;p Wasn't enough alone to keep them afloat.

Now, here we have a big difference in ideology. I don't think that attacking can ever be seen as honorable (especially since the reason seems to always be "I NEED MY EMPIRE TO GROW"), unless the target is something like Ashen Empire Ermor where it's a public service. I see it as the defender's duty to fight the attacker to the bitter end, and do whatever it takes to slow down his demise. The analogy that comes to mind is a mugger expecting the mugged to just, well, be mugged, if the said mugger says, "I'm gonna mug you now!" I see that things are only different if the attacker gets overpowered by the defender. THEN you're just getting what's coming to ya, and it's all your fault.

It would've been funny if I had gotten some of your gems from taking over that lone lab in the corner of your empire. See how this idea just would never work? The loser could eat up your gems so easily. You could never have labs outside of fortresses, because one call of the winds could cripple you if you had forgotten an event caused lab somewhere.

Because the stores are omnipresent, looming over everything and everywhere. When you need gold, it appears out of thin air if your God thus wills it (he has gold in his coffers in his seeeeeeeeeeeecret hideout). Closest thing to "plundering someone's stores" ingame is pillaging the place.

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you made perfect sense

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Well, not to egg on a rant, but I thought I might elaborate on my point about sportsmanship that obviously touched a nerve. Your analogy of a mugging seems a bit out of place, obviously if you're being victimized by a criminal sportsmanship doesn't have any bearing- you fight as dirty as you can. My feeling though, is I'm not being mugged, I'm playing a game whose sole purpose is the mutual enjoyment of all involved. A well fought opponent deserves a congratulations and a (virtual) handshake, not me doing every annoying thing I can think of to make his life more difficult against his *next* opponent after I have no hope of lasting more than a few turns.

Just to be clear I'm not talking about whatever happened in this game (which didn't effect me and I have no particular opinion on), but rather the position that its good policy to do your best to dick over whoever beats you by destroying your buildings, pillaging your own lands, and giving your gems to anyone who seems likely to use them against him. That, as I said, just smacks of poor sportsmanship being justified by weak rational.

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All it did was make me go "..." here behind the monitor, because I find "bad sportsmanship" to be the one of the stupidest terms used when it comes to games, especially when you're using it to describe someone defending against an opponent that's winning, not because of skill (as FAJ said, he's just clickin' the Helhirding button), but because of an early game imbalance that's in his favor.

Yeah. As I said, if I had been able to FIGHT him, I would've acted differently. But the point you're missing is that nothing was "well fought" in this war. All he needed to do was show up. Did you miss the part where I said my 100 man army lost to 10 Helhirdings? Because it happened. I had set up the army, I had given my mages orders to use the few spells I had. And everywhere we met, I lost.

It is a good policy if you get rushed early and there's nothing you can do about it because your nation's capabilities to thwart it suck. At least you're making sure that your enemy won't just grow stronger, but has to actually do something to get full use of places. I don't see what's the problem with that, really. If I can't fight him on the battlefield, of course I fight him where I can, which is his pocket book.

Actually, I pillaged HIS lands in an attempt to keep him away from my lands, and set mine to 200% tax. There's the difference. But yes, I would've pillaged Marverni proper without a blink of an eye if I had had the chance, because now he has a what, 400 gold income giving province that also provides some gems which he just had to sit in for a couple of turns and then press the "storm" button. I don't think he even lost a single helhirding in the process.

SUCH A HARD FOUGHT VICTORY. Jesus Christ.

Well, you aren't really justifying your position with a great rational, either. You are making it sound that you think that nations like Marverni shouldn't even try to do anything but die ASAP against early rush nations because it sure as hell can't fight off their armies. Sure, it'd make the attacker happy, but it wouldn't make anyone else happy. And doesn't make for a fun game for the player of Marverni, either.

In fact, I'll come around and say that attacking a nation that can't defend itself against you at all is worse sportsmanship than that nation trying to do something against you! ;p

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Oh now common. I was anything but unsportsmanly.

I have been trounced by early rushers before too; it is frusterating. You explained your position; pillaging my provinces and bumping taxes in your own for a resource war. That is legit. I think scorching the earth for bitterness' sake is wrong. You didn't do that, so I don't know what the argument is.

I would have been upset if you started pillaging Marverni the turn we attacked eachother. You didnt even scuttle the lab, which was nice of you. (Your spirit lived on and a random event burned it down a turn later though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif).

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I didn't? I swear I tried to!

Mental note: if breaking the lab and storming takes place the same turn, lab stays up. But at least the event broke it down, so... Just as planned!

FAJ, I was just kidding when I said that (about the sportsmanship). It's how Helheim's set up, you pretty much need to rush someone early on if you don't want to die. "Problem" is that people you'll rush won't wanna die, either. It's funny though that no one who had anything to do with the war had nothing negative to say about it. Just people who're God knows where on the map do.

Sure, when Marverni was besieged I was thinking I would've pillaged it if I had the chance (if you had broken the siege, THEN I would've started pillaging it), but seriously enough, it was my only bigger source of income for as long as it was free, so me pillaging it beforehand wouldn't really been very likely. I needed it as much as you probably needed it to pay for the upkeep on your crazy Helhirding armies. ;p

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As long as you are playing within the rules of the game(not cheating) I dont' have a problem with it. This isn't really a "sport" so sportsmanship doesn't apply. This is a game about war.

Did Hitler say Stalin was "unsportsmanlike" when Stalin burned down every village that the Germans captured during the Barbarossa advance?

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well, the pillaging isn't really gonna hurt me too badly anyways. It will hurt Pangaea http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif. He will have those provinces soon enough. My "army" of ~15 valkries stands adjacent to his 1000+ legion of doom and in spitting distance of his gorgon.

In other news; is there any trick to dealing with a petrifying opponent when you have no mages/research? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Conceding.

Jazzepi

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i no understand internets hjuumor

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Getting more mages and research?

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Well, Ctiss has done a number on my SC god using Horror mark, curse, a bless with bonus to causing afflictions. It hasnt killed her but its only a matter of time. I think if he had followed up with his earlier horror markings with more horror marks from shaman on every fight she would be out by now. His first attack on me was real nifty, though I think he was expecting an easy kill because it was rather early. He brought his hero shaman with 2 astral and a few Sauromancers in the attack. He horror marked, cursed and his sauromancers each summoned a few of those Lamshanka's which instantly went for the horror marked god. The turn before I had just completed research on construction 4 and had fully kited her out. End result was his dead army and shaman hero. But it was a real good early game try.

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Thanks Rytek. I read on FAQ that curses and horror marks permanently mess you up. This is my first ever game, and I really wish I would have learned some more offensive magic instead of conjuration so I could have harmed your SC. Anyways, I'm being attacked by two powerful nations, so I'm about done. It has been fun and educational. I'm looking for another game to join now that I've learned a little more. Ctiss are awesome. I love light infantry spear chucking and fleeing. I hope my next nation gets more of them. Chariots are cool too. Too bad they were all wasted trying to hit your SC. Good luck to you and Oceana after kicking my tail.

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For sale, the Greenstone Armor of Bogus the Troll. Highest bidder.

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Conceding? Your haven't lost a province (I don't even have an invasion army), and you just took one of mine with your invasion army. I don't understand.

-Atlantis

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Jazzepi was replying to FAJ's question...

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Oh wow. I was making a joke response to FAJ's post.

Jazzepi

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Ahh. Cool. Have at you then http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Whew, that's good to hear. Jokes like that dun work too well on the internets. ;p

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only because it was the first post on the page.

in other news; I have started pillaging both the capital provinces and am spreading peanut butter over all the fields. TRY TILLING THAT!

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Someone will spill chocolate on your peanut butter and start a new snack sensation!

It\'s from Akvavitix!
 

Dear pesky Pretenders,

By the time you
read this

I'll bee gone

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OMG ermor is hungry like a homer .he is eating near my lands.anyone suggest wad a newbie like me should do?

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Ry'leh needs nature gems. We are willing to trade F/A/E/D/A gems 1 to 1 for them. Please let us know if you're interested.

Jazzepi

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Concede.

Considering you attacked the holy empire whilst the legion was otherwise occupied I have precious little patience for your sniveling that now the earth shakes as they march on you. Still, I am not a heartless emperor, surrender your lands and none of your people need be crucified, nor your lands salted. Roll to show me your belly and I shall allow you to be my lap dog. Otherwise I fear you shall learn firsthand how the legion's violent reputation was forged.

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I'm so glad Baalz is back XD

Jazzepi

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Exchange between Atlantis and R'yleh:

-Had enough?

-Your arm's off!

-Tis but a scratch. Have at you.

-Silly bugger.

Atlantis is in serious need of some Astral boosters. I'll pay top dollar for starshine skullcaps, etc. I'll even buy from R'yleh, if he is selling.

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Has Pangaea given up?