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Hundreds of pangean "troops" have died in a foolish attempt to reclaim our land. This is indicative that it will not stop, and as such I am forced to vanquish these tree huggers in their entirety.

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The very term "reclaim" indicates the fact that it has always belonged to the men of Pan, not the men of mud and dirt.

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A series of cowardly mind burn attacks has convinced the nation of ulm that ryl'eh intends to destroy us. This will not stand.

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Hmph. Where is your proof that it was us who did these... "mind burn" attacks you speak of? We did no such thing. You have lost your mind. You have threatened us with war ever since we met you, just because we would not yield to your asinine demands - the fact that you are now at war with Pangaea is obvious proof of your malign intent - and now you think you have something to stand on against us because of some "attacks" that may or may not have happened, and if they did, may have been done by anyone!

Yes. We can see you for what you are, Eldanesh, dark pretender of Ulm. Your mind has been consumed by evergrowing bloodlust and incessant hunger for power. You would grasp straws to start wars against your neighbors. It has to end. Cleanse your mind of this insanity and stop walking down this path which will only lead to destruction.

That is the only way to salvation.

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I will not risk losing more commanders. We know it was you, only two nations could see that province and only ryl'eh has the skill to do it. You want to kill my leaders and then destroy us, and we will not allow it. It is only a matter of time before other nation's leaders fall prey to the starspawn's witchery.

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You will not risk losing more commanders? Heh. But a war with us would be likely to cause even more deaths on your side, would it not? And we do not deny that we have access to the spells - although it is not mere mind burn you will see us using if you attempt to attack us. We do applaud whichever nation it was who did it because your warmongering has reached new heights (if these attacks took place in the first place), as now you have declared war against US without any actual proof of any wrong doing! Expectable, perhaps, but not the outcome we have been hoping for so long.

As for us being "the only other nation" which can see the position... First, you have not shown any proof that any of these attacks you speak of actually took place. Second, you seem to have never heard of scouts or of the many scrying spells or even items in the world. Third, you have never apparently heard of the possibility that nations may ask other nations to use spells against a third one which is not really related to them in any way, or even close. That, too, actually, is a form of trade, which is a concept which has eluded you since the very first day we laid eyes upon your wretched people and you started laying down your crazed demands which you called "fair". Ultimatums are not fair by default!

As for your claims of our closeness... You seem to have not realized that we are as close to you as we are far. What you see is a limb.

Tread lightly.

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I'm sure one of the other major nations in the world proficient in astral magic felt like doing mind burn on every single commander in that province.

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ow sounds like a tag team on agressive ULM.. hehe teach him not to anger 2 mad hordes of weird creatures http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Wolves of the wood and the Sharks in the sea will eat the men of ULM http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

gogogo

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Oh, rejoice, rejoice in the glory of Pangea! In the second Battle of Ephesibor the Ulmish host has been routed and it's god general killed. Now the forces of the Panni Council must push on and retake their stolen lands. Glory, glory everlasting!

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Ulm has declared war on R'lyeh by bringing troops inside our borders.

Very well.

You shall be dealt with forthwith.

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The nation of Abysia is mostly disturbed by what is happening near our borders beetween two nations we called friends.

Abysia is now considering his options,we tried to avoid this tragic outcome to avoid this war but it seems it's too late now.

The War council has been summoned and the decisions made tonight will likely shape the entire world for generations to come.

Nygon of Abysia

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dammit, her support troops didn't go

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Proclamation to the world.

After the closed session the nation of Abysia has reached a decision how to deal with the current crisis.

All the options were grim but in our view there is no way this war could be avoided any longer

Abysia has , according to his current treaty , chosed to side with the nation of r'yleh . It is our deliberation that this defensive treaty take precedence over the treaty we had with Ulm.

**READ CAREFULLY**
HOWEVER the nation of Abysia doesn't seek the destruction of his long term ulmish friends, we're entering the war only to discourage further assault and to help speed up a truce treaty beetween r'yleh and ulm to stop this madness.

Once the war is over beetween you two Abysia will stop fighting aswell

In addition to that Abysians army will committ only a fraction of his total force in a border war with ULM , unless we're attacked in one of our long province by an army or any offensive spells we do not seek to conquer northern ulmish land, only to create a buffer zone.

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Such a beautiful thing, seeing an Ulmish army destroy itself hitting a target it cannot beat.

And we understand the take of our friends the Abysians. You have had long, friendly relations with them, and you may hold back your attacks if you thus desire. However, considering the long standing hostile position the Ulmish horde has kept against us...

It is hard to see them get off of this path of death.

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I'm sorry abysia, but if you have stuff running around my provinces I might as well fight you.

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Hey Llamabeast, I got the message the first time, I didn't need 10 copies of it kthx. ;(

(EDIT: I managed to really typo that one line up. Whoa! Well, I fixed it for the most part!)

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My thought was to say that the llamaserver was braying but a bit of googling shows that llamas hum.

Is that where the name came from, when it's doing bad we say it's humming?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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... And I just got another one. I've got 12 of these emails with the same info now. :-p If everyone else's getting it too... Well... Llama's email thingie is really spammin' the interwebs tonight!

Edit: 13. 15. 16. 19. 23. 95. 106. 118 was the last number!

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If I understand this correctly, all people should update, and the server is getting updated right now? I have sent my turn, but the server shows that it still awaits my turn, is this due to the updating?

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86 emails!

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Hardfeldt, it's "waiting" for your turn because the server is down for the updating. That's what it said in the 48928943 emails we got. ;/

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Apparently Gmail has some sort of threading limit--I've got two threads of 61 copies each and one of 2 copies.

The Llamaserver is supposed to cycle every 5 minutes, given the timing between messages I would say it's sending them out every cycle instead of just once. Since the last dupe was 0 minutes ago I would say the problem is still ongoing.

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Got like 80 mails myself (gmail) , well i'm out to work , see you in 10 hours or so :-))

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Uhh... Now it says that the turn will be run in October 9th (a year? Yay!), like before instead of having changed it to some sane time in the future. And Hardfeldt's turn didn't go in after all.

What's uup Llama? :/

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Heh! Well that was because it hadn't updated the web server properly. Now that it's done that, the hosting is in February! I think what happened was that when it discovered the new patch it postponed all hostings by 24 hours (a sensible precaution, to my mind). When it discovered it again 5 minutes later, it did the same again... and so on.

I will fix it in a minute. I will just set every game to host at (now + hosting interval).

Guess I have to write another little script then... man, no work happening for me today!

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Ok, thanks for the help! I'll resend my turn as soon as i come home from work just in case.

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Cool, thanks, that would be helpful.

The hosting time has been fixed now.

This game has been going really fast, hasn't it? You've been averaging about two turns a day - very impressive!

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Thanks llama for your wonderful server and your hosting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Can't wait to continue this game!

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Yes thanks llama for your hosting, enabling me and everybody else to enjoy great games! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Mongoose calling Ulm, Mongoose calling Ulm...

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Looks like Ulm's gonna stale. What's up?

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Did Eldanesh stale last turn? It looks like the last time he posted was the 8th. Maybe something came up? Should we pause the game and look for a sub? Seeing how Ulm is involved in so much fighting right now, it would kinda throw the game off if he staled a bunch in a row.

Do we have an admin?

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It's also entirely possible that he "quit" after realizing that he's dead, and thus started staling. Which is the assiest thing you can do to the rest of the folks in the game you're in, but it still happens. Instead of putting yourself AI, or fighting your wars to the bitter end, you just quit. He even started them, he should've had the courtesy to follow them through. Or in the case of "something having come up" putting up a post about it.

But nah, no post and no fighting.

Him staling wouldn't throw the game off a whole lot, though, because he has no army to speak of anymore. There's no point putting another person in that position. He's going to die anyway. He's pretty much in the same situation as Ermor was, and as a result, I'd say him going AI would be a lot more sensible.

No sub (because putting a person in a position like that would be awesomely crappy for that person), AI. If something came up... Well, as I said, he could've said something. He should've said something. He didn't. Thus, the assumption is that he quit.

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I believe he had something come up and we should maybe postpone the turn for a while waiting for him at least to post here, i'm not saying wait indefinetly but at least 1-2 day we can and see what happens.

I do not believe this 'staling' is intentional, i doubt anyone in this game is so lame to do that on purpose, at least i hope so http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

PS.
Maybe some problem with the new patch ?

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Well, as I said, he should've said something in the thread if things aren't working for some reason. I'd say we shouldn't postpone anything, just let him stale something like 3 times and turn him AI as seems to be the usual fare when people don't post that they need more time to make their turn. He isn't doing so well that giving his nation to someone else would be justified, and he isn't doing so badly that 3 turns would kill him completely (he's got a lot of land after all) - if he comes back in those 3 days, he'd still be in a shape to do something.

Although, if he has (sudden) connection troubles, that'd be different - then you still have other choices, like net cafes, libraries, friend's places and so forth to send in a post from, but obviously that's far less expected of you, but games still have to go on in your absence, especially if you don't do anything to send in a message telling that it's your internets that's being an ***.

EDIT: And yes, I get a bit cranky when I can't get my Dominions fix. ;p

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Yeah, he's staled once so far. You can check: www.llaamaserver.net->Mongoose->Admin options->Show staling data. It's the only admin option that doesn't need a password - maybe a slightly strange place for it.

I will PM him.

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The alliance for good has has discovered massive blood hunting centers hidden deep within Abyssia territory. They have been summoning massive arsenals of demons to slaughter the innocent beings of the world. But fear not, although demons are powerful, they are no match for the combined forces of good. The world will be saved.

You can identify these blood hunting centers by looking for a temple with around 4 demonbreds stationed there. Please report all illegal blood hunting activity. Children under 17 should not try fighting demons at home.

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I don't know why our war notice didn't get posted before but since it hasn't I'll make the point.

We have decided to remove the evil nation of Abyssia that consorts with demons and is so deranged that they think virgins are for sacrificing instead of bedding.

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As part of the alliance, Marignon has joined the crusade against the sinful Abyssians and their hideous ways of sacrifices and demon dealings. Let our flames cleanse away all heresy and decay.

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The nation of Abysia will make the so called 'alliance' pay dearly for this impudence.

Reports indicated that Mourn Son of the Sun , false god of Marignon has been killed by one of our heroes.

Similar fate happened to Slither , false god of Arco who also was killed by our superior forces.

Let all the world know that Abysia shall from now on be called god-slayer

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Abyssia has no heroes. You have demons!

Unfortunately, this land has probably fallen to your infernal forces.

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R'yleh--you have made a big mistake siding with Abyssia. Pretty soon your daughters are going to be being sacrificed to infernal powers.

And don't think of playing the innocent--we all know where the mind hunts are coming from.

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Hee hee hee. You have some comic talent, human. Three nations attacking one without saying a word is hardly fair, and you still failed to conquer their lands. How is your "alliance of good" any better than the infernal forces which the Abysians control, when you would invade their lands in such a manner? We thought cowardice was an "evil" trait. Indeed, we had no idea that someone rewrote the human dictionary and made cowardice a part of being "good"!

So far, all we have done is aid them in defense against your "forces of good" on their lands. We have not trespassed on yours. If you choose to invade our lands, surely you must realize that this will change most radically.

As for your wonderment about our "siding" with the Abysians. None in your "alliance of good" attempted to get us join it in the first place. They came in our aid against the Ulmish horde, and they have been a good friend of the Illithid race for quite some time. If you thought we would simply stand by and do absolutely nothing while the world is being changed by a group of nations bent on the destruction of one of our closest neighbors... You were sorely mistaken.

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I do admit we goofed up on the declaration of war--apparently we were all expecting someone else to post it.

Violating multiple NAP's to do so.

You were obviously in their camp already.

You should have rejoiced. You realize they are a blood nation with good scales? While I don't know your scales I do know you went with an awake Wrym--your scales aren't going to match theirs. You're not going to stand a chance when they come for you.

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Just like your little alliance "goofed up" the declaration of war against Ermor, huh. Interesting, isn't it? Attack first, declare war after you have fought for several months, then say it was a mistake. Ingenius.

Even if it was a real mistake (I can believe you made a honest mistake, but the others? No), it doesn't explain the same people doing the same mistake TWICE.

Those Mind Hunts are there to aid an ally on their territory. I never agreed to have the non-aggression pacts cover the armies you might have on the lands of my allies as well unannounced. Nor have I directly attacked anyone on purpose. I have used remote attacks, and only on Abysia's territory. Of course, excluding Ulm who was asking for a Mind Hunt fest on his lands after he attacked fully aware that I would let loose the dogs of... Mind Hunt on him.

And considering the cowardly nature of three nations attacking one, especially without any declaration of war, it is obvious that there are certain mitigating factors in the issue of me throwing Mind Hunts on your armies.

... Right. R'lyeh obviously was in Abysia's camp over twenty turns ago? Obviously obvious!

The obvious thing was that you didn't even like me having 10 troops in a damn fortress close to you. You never asked if I'd join, but you did tell me to go away with my massively huge 10 Ichtyid army, calling it a gigantic build up.

Yes, I do realize that Abysia is a blood nation with relatively good scales. And this should be an issue for me, because...?

Yes. Because an awake Wyrm is a good choice if you happen to be underwater since it works both in the sea and on the land. But scales have a big effect on the world around us, because...?

Because...? You obviously have some information I don't, because I kind of think that I would have a chance if he came for me.

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Wait, who made that rule about declarations of war? When I attacked Ermor, there was no mistake about it. Is there a Dominions-wide rule that you have to tell somebody before you attack them? I absolutely tell somebody if I have any kind of agreement with them. If I agree to peace, I will tell you ahead of time, before I break it. That is if I break it, which to date I have never done. I never agreed to anything with Ermor, nor with Abyssia.

I'm serious, this is my first game. Is it agreed univerally withing the dominions community that you must declare war a turn before invading?

Now you on the other hand, broke your 4-turn NAP. When I make an NAP, I make sure my allies agree to the NAP as well. I had no idea that you were allied with Abyssia, and it was your responsibility to tell me what I could or could not do regarding Abyssia as part of the NAP.

As for the deciding who would win, Abyssia vs. R'yleh if you take everyone else out, that's not really my business. But if I were betting, you'd better believe I'd take Abyssia.

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No, there's not an agreement on anything. I'm just playing my nation in a roleplay sense (devious Illithid and all that) and such and such. If you want explanations, Abysia also broke against a non-aggression pact when he went for Ulm when Ulm attacked me, which made it easier for me to go against NAPs when he came under attack. And I was seriously afraid that you guys would actually destroy Abysia in a quick, swift stroke, just like you did with Ermor. I was taken by total surprise when the armies started falling like flies.

Turned out I had completely overestimated your combined armies.

As for the NAPs, I made sure that I didn't invade your lands, kill your men and children and rape your women, because they were in effect. I have only helped Abysia to repel you from his lands so far. This, as far as I know, is fairly common in Dominions games - helping allies (and others in dire need of help) indirectly when they are at war and you are not. Some prefer a more direct approach, attacking people left and right, some like to attack from the shadows and use attacks that may or may not bite you in the *** if you over do it. Some even let others pay them to use remote attacks against another nation.

And I'm ready to come up and say that I overdid it, but hey, it did the job it was supposed to do.

Abysia was OK with the NAP. He however wasn't OK with the fact that you attacked him unannounced (a fairly common thing that happens in Dominions games when no deals are up. Never liked it however). I was under the impression that he had NAPs with you all (except Caelum). When I started wondering about the Marignonian and Arcoscephalean armies on mine and his borders, it turned out his NAPs had expired. He of course expected me to help him right then and there, and having learned from the experience with Ermor ("he might not be around in four to five turns"), that's what I opted to do.

And don't take things said too seriously - you're playing just fine. And I don't think this war is anywhere near its end. There are no "universally agreed" things in the Dominions community that I have heard of. Breaking NAPs is a bad thing, however. Seriously enough about this particular situation, it had all the signs of a quick gang up (*three* nations attacking one at once?) that I had no idea what else I should do, especially with my predisposition to hate unannounced attacks - it seemed like a do or die situation.

Which it wasn't. I overestimate and worry about things too much for my own good. And now I keep explaining and explaining, which is another less than admirable trait I happen to have. ;p

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EDIT talk: I started thinking. There's more that needs to be said.

In case someone is wondering, the post I made to Loren was in character. That means basically that, when I called people cowardly, out in the open, for something people do often enough (no matter how much I don't like it), it's actually an attempt to make the fact that hell, I just got caught breaking against the spirit of NAP all over the place, look a bit better. It's just In Character talk, nothing more, nothing less. If my BS offends someone, I'm sorry. And I'm sorry for confusing folks with that randomness and throwing around insults which may have been taken personally when none such was meant.

Of course R'lyeh (and its leaders) will think that they will win. To be frank, I have no idea who will win. I personally have no desire to win. For various reasons. But by helping Abysia and making the game possibly more fun for its player, as I realized, I made the game less fun for three other people by using mind hunt... That isn't such a good method of learning now is it. I'm sorry for doing it, but I've managed to drive myself into a damn corner now.

But Caelum has to have some tricks up his sleeve, right? Right? Those Caelian Seraphs weren't it, were they?

And Eldanesh. Whatever I say in our "heated" exchange about peace/no peace, it has always been in character BS. Sure, I may find the stuff you're doing stupid, but seriously... It's not that bad when you consider the situation (I was about as large as you for starters, and then I had five land provinces right next to you). Please keep that in mind when you read them - I'm talking there as the leadership of R'lyeh to the leadership of Ulm, not as me to you. And if I've managed to offend you, I'm really sorry.

I'll never understand why you demanded me to give you the provinces for nothing, though. Was it a miscommunication or what?

Maybe I should give up R'lyeh to someone else, I'm starting to feel I'm doing more damage to the game than good. :|

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Don't worry about offending me. You certainly didn't say anything near as bad as Ermor did. I thought you were saying that what I did was legitimately not ok. Role playing makes learning the game and learning the rules of diplomacy a lot more confusing.

Mind hunt I understand and am ok with. I understand the theory of how to counter it. I just wasn't expecting to have to deal with it at the moment. And I sort of thought the newbie game rules meant treaties were more likely to be followed. But I understand what to expect from it, so I'm not panicking over it.

Blood magic is a different story; I have no idea what to expect from it. All I know is that people say it gets crazy powerful late game, and you have to deal with it early. And that it just dealt with two allies with ease.

Now back in the game, I am of course upset about the NAP. I'm also interested that my allies had an NAP that I didn't know about. I definitely still have tricks up my sleeves. Those seraphs were just a very expensive experiment. The trouble is, I've just seen two allies wounded extremely badly, and I haven't even seen the force that did it yet. If I can't even protect my allies, then what good am I? I am having an existential crisis.

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Greetings!
This is the player behind abysia speaking so no roleplaying involved.

What you did can be called cowardice especially if coming from the self-declared 'forces of good' but it was COMPLETELY a legit tactic both as a roleplay thing (abysia is, in fact , an evil nation:P) and as a diplomatic thing (you formed an alliance and attacked a nation your percieved as a threat).
So absolutely no whinings or ill-feeling on my part it's just the way the game plays :-)

However you couldn't expect me to go down without a fight and making you pay DEARLY for your invasion right??

Snd so now you have a fight! You may very well likely win (even with r'ylen defensive support) but who knows at least we'll have some fun :-)

As to explain r'yleh help well i actually expected it because of a precedent.
I was in very very good term with Ulm and r'yleh and tried hard for many turns to make them like each other and bring them together in a war front.
In the end, for a mistake i think, ulm invaded r'yleh so i could standby and do nothing (possibly losing 2 friends and being completely surrended by a very large and powerful nation) or pick one... i picked the one in my view was the invaded one and stook with him in the war.

Unfortunatly your 'alliance' had good intelligence and decided to attack me when most of my forces were away so now i can't committ with Ulm! i also tried to convince Ulm (and r'yleh both) to make peace well it didn't work :-)

Now i'm in a very interesting fight with 2 land nation attacking me in the west, your seraph in my backyard and ulm on the north.. interesting isn't it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

P.S.
Edit for blood magic-> it is of course a very good school of magic BUT though being powerful (ask marignon and arco:P) it's not invincible.
This is my first game playing medium abysia (even on sp..) and first mp game so i'm a very far away to master it.. guess i'll learn along the way as we are all doing !

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For what it's worth, the Starspawn of R'lyeh now notify the three allied Western nations (Arcoscephale, Caelum, Marignon) of the beginning of the formal cancellation of the various non-aggression pacts.

While it may be a pointless gesture, consider us at total war in four months (five as the case may be with one).