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Btw, I'd like to ask you guys a small favour. This is only my third MP game--and note, not just my third MP Dom3 game, but my third game ever played against other humans, in my life. I have no doubts that I'm making mistakes all over the place.

Now, of course you can't tell me what I'm doing wrong while we're still playing. Bit of a conflict of interest there, particularly since the ones best able to gauge the mistakes I'm making are the ones I'm making them against! (*waves* Hi archaeolept! *cough* : )

What I'd like you to do, if you're willing, is just make a mental note of any suggestions or mistakes you see, in tactics, strategy, priorities, whatever, and PM me to let me know whenever you feel it's safe to. Constructive advice will be gratefully received!

A few of you are already doing some of that, so thanks.

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I just received a pm from Jurri who claims that "r'lyeh told me that you are whipping his ***". This is clearly BS, and Jurri is just using it as an excuse to dogpile on me - i know how he opperates now at least. How can I be whipping his *** when I can't enter the water in any real way? Let alone also fight w/ the invading massive marignon horde.

We should be clear that Jurri has operated the whole game unmolested, and has been researching very powerful magics.

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Hmm, like I said, I am only annulling our non aggression pact. That's a far cry from an attack; It is your conclusion alone that that it would result in a 'dogpile'.

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uh huh, right.

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With a tone like that, you might turn out to be right http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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lol, the bull**** never stops flowing does it?

cancelling the NAP you requested, as soon as I am deep in a two front war - not much needs to be said beyond that. You're clearly planning on attacking - which is of course completely legitimate. which is a somewhat different thing than "honorable".


I offer peace terms with concessions to any of my opponents who wish - let me and Jurri duke it out; then you all can get the remains :-)

edit: so let's just drop this NAP pretense stuff completely, agreed?

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LOL, this is getting funnier by the moment http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Well, if you and Jurri wish to duke it out "macho a macho" far be it from me to deny you from your pleasures. But I would assume Jurri is not of the same mind as you archaeolept.

I'm deliberately posting this here and not PMing so as not to be accused of going behind anyones backs.

You two are great sportsman and I'm sure you'll find a way to resolve your dispute in a comely manner.

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yes yes, I have a good idea on how to resolve this http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Glad someone's enjoying it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Me, I'm pretty shocked at arch's violent reaction.

arch: Would you say your attacking Pythium was honorable? He had all of, what, 4 provinces to his name at the time while you had ~20... And Pangaea had already grabbed pieces of him at that time, too, so technically you were dogpiling him, too http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

The way I see it, you have something like 5 or more times as large an army as me that's probably at least on par if not better quality-wise (from what my scouts tell me). You have more provinces than I do, so more income as well. I probably have more research and gem income, but not by that much. With these estimates, would you say that you and me having a war with no outside interference would be fair? Hey, if you think so, then by all means let's do it. If your idea of fun does not include nefarious plots to overthrow the player that's clearly in the lead, there's no need to play it out that way. It's certainly a valid viewpoint that leveling the playing field via diplomacy is not honorable; indeed, I myself enjoy the most such games that have no diplomacy at all.

Wish I had known that you're so averse to diplomatic shenanigans before inciting R'lyeh and Marignon to attack you, though http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Uh, that doesn't mean that my estimation is that all three would need to attack, quite the contrary in fact: my plan was to get them to fight you so that I wouldn't need to face the mass of skeletons. I did promise R'lyeh and Marignon that I'd join the fray if you are too strong for them, so when R'lyeh said that it seems that you are, I had to take action to secure myself the freedom to keep my word. We agreed that we'd assess the situation in 3 turns (when the NAP runs out) and if it still looks like you're too strong for them I'd attack; if not, then I wouldn't, since I don't like unfair wars. You can of course choose to believe otherwise.

Hmmm, given your tone in the above posts, I'm not sure if there's anything to be done to salvage your enjoyment of the game? Please do tell if there is: I can take back my canceling the NAP, or Marignon and R'lyeh can stay out of it while we fight it out if they'll agree to it, I can get someone to take over for my nation (since there's a personally hostile tone coming over in the aforementioned posts; one that I'm not enjoying frankly) or whatever. It's just a game, played to have fun, so there's really no reason not to form the experience into one that's enjoyable to all, by any means available.

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Dog piling on people is just part of the game.. In any game other than a 1v1 duel, you'll probably get some double and triple teaming.

It's too bad, but the best player doesn't always win. Sometimes you lose and it wasn't your fault. Or is that too bad, really? Maybe it's good because it adds to the excitement.

I can understand being upset, I would probably get upset, too. But remember we are trying to have fun, so relaxing would be the best, I think. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Dog piling is absolutely part of the game; so is having the dog-pilee get pissed-off http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I dislike the spin and dishonorable dealings I feel I have experienced from Bandar. Losing is fine; i've lost many a game (mostly to Norfleet http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif). I don't like the double-dealing, the propaganda, and the mendacity.

let us compare the "i'm just ending the NAP to keep options open," " I am only annulling our non aggression pact. That's a far cry from an attack; It is your conclusion alone that that it would result in a 'dogpile'."
with the private diplomatic undertakings that Jurri has made with Mari and R'lyeh.

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Hmm...I'd better come out and clear something up, for the record, just in case archaeolept is thinking Jurri is just being "opportunistic" or something.

Losing my land provinces, 250+ lobos, all of my Void Summons, a few leaders, and a (relatively) small percentage of my illithids--all for Ermor's loss of (so far as I can determine) a hundred or so undead cavalry...pretty much counts as 'getting my *** handed to me' in my book. ; )

And scared the *hell* outta me, I freely admit. So for that and, uh, other reasons which should still remain private, I messaged Jurri and told him what happened, and that I was nervous if I would even be able to *continue* the war at this rate. So while I can't speak for certain about Jurri's motivations, archaeolept, he's got it mostly right about my message to him.

...Btw, you shouldn't have been so vicious in your messages to me to 'get off your peninsula', and should have at least tried to work out an exchange we could have both lived with at the start of the game, achaeolept. If you had, I (probably) wouldn't have been coming out of the seas after you... ; )

Edit: That having been said, if you and Jurri decide you want to go at it against each other, then by all means I'd be happy to stand aside and see what happens...

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Indy: I'm not sure how I could categorize our relationship as "me whipping you" per se. it's pretty well a classic case of stalemate. I'm only whipping you in the sense that i'm repulsing your invading forces; which is what got Jurri so concerned in the first place, as the results of his endeavours were made doubtful.

Jurri: as for saying I dealt dishonourably with pythium, I don't remember you being privy to our envoys. As he was clearly a new player, I left him alone, and turned away from our border. Then, scenting an easy kill, pan and also a large marignon force came down on him. not only was the writing on the wall at that point, but it had already been plastered over with next week's events. he staled, and I moved in to get some for myself.

edit: anyways, i freely admit i have a hangover today, and am perhaps a wee bit irritible :-)

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That's what you take issue with? ...uh, clearly we are playing under completely different assumptions here. Let's be clear now: we only had an agreement to not attack each other and to let the other know 3 turns beforehand should we want to lift this limitation. I don't quite see how exercising that option equates to the bloody murder you're screaming, frankly.

As for Pythium, you don't think it's 'dishonorable' to attack a nation that has less than a fourth of your resources. But you see a problem in an alliance of 3 nations that combined have perhaps 1,5-2 times the resources as the one nation they ally against? (I would estimate R'lyeh and Marignon combined to be at about parity or a bit over. I have maybe half of what you have if I'm generous with the effect my research has.)

Also, throwing tantrums on a public forum over perceived 'dishonorable acts' is certainly not a way of acting that I would choose in a similar situation. But to each his own, I guess. (Rather, when I'm ganged upon, which happens too often to my liking http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif , I try and see if there's anything to be done via private channels. Blowing your top off will certainly only worsen the situation.)

But, I'm not really interested in discussing it at much more length: you keep attacking my person with assumptions that have apparently been incorrectly inferred from our rather terse correspondence, and that's not particularly enjoyable to me. To be clear, again, I have not lied to you about my intentions at any point (except of course by omission), and am quite frankly offended by the allegation.

So, I hope that you can still enjoy the game: I am a bit soured on the experience since I can't help but think that I have caused discomfort and feelings of frustration to someone with what I thought was an expedient way to eliminate the most dangerous nation in the game, but that turned out to be a mendacious spin-riddled dishonorable pile of bull****. [censored], I thought that was how the game was supposed to be played.

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Pythium was dead - it had already been invaded by two other great powers. Was it dishonorable for them to have attacked? what complete crap. everything you say is bull**** spin... that my research is close to yours, what bull****. that "my tone might make you attack", as if the fault you will attack is somehow due to my not believing you, lol, bull****.

and you are offended? oh, that's so sad.

Let us be clear. when you ended the NAP you claimed this had nothing to do with attacking me, and that it was "my tone" that might make it so. That's such crap, and an insult that you would pretend I should believe you.

anyways, I've offered to fight you 1 on 1. You said you would if I thought it "fair". Your two allies have indicated they would go this way if you wanted. Ok then, I consider it fair. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

" before inciting R'lyeh and Marignon to attack you" - let's just agree that that counts as a formal violation of non-aggression, vitiating the pact, and creating a legitimate causus belli

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Less talk, more death!

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yes!! no doubt good death action this turn... entertaining battles at least :-)

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CUnknown, I'll be taking a business trip on the weekend (30/11 - 02/12). Can you please extend the game timer?

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Yes, shouldn't be a problem, WraithLord.

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Thanks! I'm sure my pious armies on the Ermorian fronts would appreciate that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Server is down

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Server still down.

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Oh crap, it is? I wish I had checked this site before I left for work, I can't get back to fix it until after work now. I hope it doesn't host in the meantime.

Is it still down?

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Works for me.

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server has not gone down - still counting - 11 hrs till host.

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Back up now!

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there we go... my vast chaff armies could do nothing against bandar's fully kitted supercombattant and advanced magic.. big surprise http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

strange, how when Jurri was claiming that his research was barely any greater than mine... and I had one path at 4 and one at 1 at the time... since ME Ermor is notoriously bad at research... but in case anyone hasn't noticed, Jurri is a consummate bull**** artist

:-)

though the mass magic dueling was a good strat

His lands are also incredibly rich with gems... perhaps he's been churning out akashic records... just for the information of all

I still offer peace and vast numbers of gems to anyone willing to try and stop him... not looking good for y'all either ;-)

also, his enchantresses are located at 28 - might be useful to someone sometime

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well ... the major fault was mine... so out of practice, I wasn't considering massed magic duel. the tactic was good; the propaganda behind it all is what i don't like.

Its still been a fun game - ME ermor of course is new to me. great initial expansion, but very restricted in diversity and terrible research (since your mages are needed to lead your armies and summon your troops).

Rlyeh i had stymied (for the moment at least). Marignon is a very potent anti-undead nation, but I think I could have checked him as well. Not sure what I can do against a high research high gem income astral nation - I feel like the natives did against British rifles... ;p

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Am I the only one wondering what in heck is going on with the other three players? ; )

Pan is popping up all over the place, Jotun is besieging Abysia's capital--though the two of them were once allied against Pan--and the provinces the three of them control seem interwoven randomly...

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yeah the situation over there is clearly... interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I had no idea jotun was besieging aby - I also had thought that aby was attacking pan. good ol' fashioned free-for-all I guess http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

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Hehe..

I hadn't considered how odd that might look to people. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif I could explain it, but the actual situation is much less interesting than people are thinking.. so maybe it is best for people to keep their theories. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/stupid.gif

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You lot just leave me, Pan and Jotun to it, we are having a right laugh... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Cutting each anothers throats... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/skull.gif

Btw, I HATE F9A6 blessed white centaurs!

I also wish Jotun woodsmen had faster legs and my fire breathing army of doom was not in no mans land and further more, I wish Pan would not march is army via my lands back to his capital!?!?! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/mad.gif

Like I said...a right laugh... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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bandar now has 3 confirmed trapezing kitted up SC's. Ermor can not stand against them; one castle falling, lands falling at 3/turn to them. good luck the rest of you...

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Well, CUnknown has just about knocked me out.

Good game, guys and good luck http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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You did a great job, Jeffr! That was one long and bloody war, for sure. Often, I didn't even think that Abysia and I were going to be able to take you down, even double-teaming you. And those raids really made me want to pull out my hair.. I hope to play with you again soon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Good game, jeffr, you have made me want to try those white centaurs out in a future game. Well done on the air bless btw, it really messed up my early game flaming arrows strategy. I hated it more than your F9 bless! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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could we have this game slow down a bit for the holiday period? QH, or hiatus around the actual holiday itself?

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Yeah, I will switch it to ... I dunno ... 100 hour quickhost? How does that sound?

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100 hrs would be great... there are a few times in the upcoming week and a half that I will be away for a day or more.
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after most of a year of siege... the forces of the snake king of the monkey-people breached our walls... only to be repelled in a glorious victory. \o/

Included amongst the losses were a large number of fire snakes... which means jurri had conjuration 6 quite a long while ago. I would expect to see his air queens shortly.

one more of his kitted kinaras was also killed, bringing the total dead to 3 of 4 known.

oh, and he has continued to recruit further nations to attack me, as clearly 3 on 1 isn't enough for him. Pretty pathetic really http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

just imho

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Yea, an extended timer will be more convenient for me as well: thanks!

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Hmm, has something gone wrong with the game server? I can't access it.

May be just a holiday thing...

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me neither

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Servers still down.

Anyone know when its coming back up?

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Yes, indeed the server is down. Unfortunately, it might not ever come back up.

I had a great Christmas! Until I went home from my parent's place. I was robbed, they stole my computer, among a few other things. (This is from my roommate's computer, who was lucky. I don't think they went into his room at all.)

So, I am going to check out the pawn shops.. and file a police report... and hopefully I'll get my computer back with our game on it, but I am not holding my breath. I don't suppose there is any way to regenerate the game from the 2h files?

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Oh my. I'm very sorry to hear that http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

I hope you'll be able to recuperate your computer and other stuff.

Its not possible to regenerate the game w/o the fthrlnd file http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

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oh that's really ****ty for you CUnknown. hopefully you had some sort of insurance.

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Sorry to hear about your bad luck, CUnknown.

Shame, I was enjoying this game.

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Wow, that's really nasty. Hopefully nothing really important was lost.

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Ouch, CUnknown. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you didn't lose things that were too valuable. --Do you at least have the important data backed up? (And no, I'm not talking about this game. ; )

I was having fun too. My first experience with just how pathetic water troops can be on land. And I was so close to {edited out in case the comp is retrieved}.

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Really sorry to hear that, CUnknown. Hope they didn't get anything too important.