Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I'll play man then, they seem interesting enough.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I have a very hard time seeing a bigger map as better for newbies. Individually, perhaps, they are in more danger early, but as a team I think early game is their only window. Once the vets reach a certain level of magic research, if their gold and gem income has not been crippled, I believe it will likely be possible to handle almost indefinitely sized. This is of course is not factoring in newbies wising up during the game, but you can only learns so much in the course of one game.

As far as a revote, I'd point out that the people playing now is a different set than voted the first time, and some that didn't vote did not realize how thinly spread the players would be on such a huge map.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I about halfway agree. I do prefer larger maps myself, and I would like to see the game get far enough that at least some of the stronger magic starts coming into play. With the desert eye map it is very likely we'll lose a few noobs by the end of the second year. But we'll have hurt the vets a lot more than we will on a larger map like orania. Orania being a less cramped map would allow us to help each other easier, and would almost certainly allow us all to survive long enough to start seeing some of the stronger magic come into play. But I do admit it is a lot more likely for us to lose on that map.

While I would like to win I also want everyone to have fun, and I'd be more inclined to play the map that appeals to more people's sense of fun than the map that will allow us the best chance of victory. Of course, if more people think winning is fun, that's a win-win ;)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I'm of the opinion more challenge is fun. ;)

I really don't think a tedious late game stomp down would be much fun for either side.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

No, probably not. It's much more fun when the fighting is hard, but closely matched.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Umm, could we decide on a map, and start this thing? The endless speculation of the outcome is getting a bit boring.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

It looks like Severus has yet to see it,so i'll just restate: I'm taking Pythium,if that's ok.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

If I may poke my nose in uninvited, I'd also suggest a smaller map would be good. 18 provinces per player is on the large side in any case to my mind, and like the vets say, their advantage will increase with map size.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I believe septimius said elsewhere that he was intending to get the game set up on friday. As for the map, I do not care too much either way. I suspect it would go better with desert eye, but septimius seems to favor orania. If that's the decision I'm willing to go with it. We've taken a pretty long time and a lot of pages getting this game organized, it would be best if we could get started soon.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Amon - QM is already playing Pythium. And Evilhomer is playing Mictlan so that frees up Agartha if they are interesting to you

Lingchih - the host is away until tomorrow I believe. And anyway, speculating on the win is what this game is all about! It is, for all intents and purposes, a duel.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Septimius. Are we using CBM 1.4.1C? That's the one I presently have installed and am using in another game.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

There are benefits and drawbacks to both larger and smaller maps.

Orania = 279 provinces (avg 18 per player, with 1 water nation).
The Desert eye = 125 provinces (avg 8 per player, with possibly 2 water nations).

Rather than force a force a re-vote (and make everyone choose between the two maps) and taking into account Llamabeast's suggestion of the smaller map, and assuming there are no major objections, we shall use The Desert Eye. I'll just need to reconfigure starting locations.

For balance purposes, though, it might be best for one of the vets to switch to Atlantis, otherwise I'll have as the single water nation, 17 provinces to myself. I won't force it, but it would even everything out and provide me with some competition.

Once you vets decide we can begin pretender uploads.

Edit: It would have been nice to get a chance to learn mid and late game magic without having to worry about hostilities so soon, or rushing, but oh well...

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I don't think we should worry about you being the only water nation Sept. We can get into the water when need be.

Any clarification on which version of CBM we are using?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

QM has suggested either 1.4 or 1.41b (which fixes the Agartha bug). I think it'd be better to go with 1.41b, if I can locate it, should you wish to download it, I'll post a link on the main page, assuming it's not the same one on the main page of the CBM 1.41 thread. I think though, the one on the server is the one that really matters, so it shouldn't make much difference.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I have no idea what the differences are in the iterations of the CBM 1.4.1 mod. I'll just use the one I have. It's quite confusing. Or, if you post a link to the one to use on the initial post, I will download and use that one.

Guess I could actually read the mod post for it.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I'm definately on the greener side, so can I assume you speak for all the other Vets?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Late era, Atlantis starts on land. LA Mictlan is actually about as good as LA Atlantis for going underwater.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Yes, I speak for all the other vets. Except for QM, who outranks me. And Evilhomer, he's better too. Hmm.... Actually, they all outrank me... better shut up now.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Hmm, if you think there won't be a chance to use high-tech magic, there is the option of easy research. Of course this would be somewhat similar to a bigger map size as far as a vet advantage, but at least there would still be less micromanagement.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I'll post a link in the main thread to CBM 1.41b, so everyone can get it.

With regard to the many different versions of 1.41, QM says "It should not matter for pretender uploading. For the game itself you need whatever version is selected though."

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I'd better watch it, before I know it, you guys will be talking me into switching to a 24 hour initial host.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Yeah, that's a great idea Septimius. 24 hour initial host is almost a given for most games.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Quickhost takes care of hosting in the event turns come in early, so I don't see the need and I those of us who are busy (with other things in life) might need the time, perhaps I'll compromise on a 36 hour host. :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

What?? You are saying I don't have a life?

Well, you might be correct in that. 36 hour sounds good to me.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Let me know when the game is up. I'm ready to upload

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I've got you down as Abysia, if that is not correct let me know.

Amon, I need you to select some other nation aside from Pythium. Agartha, Caelum, or something else.

The game will be up soon, sorting out this CBM stuff, b,c, 1.41.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

What's all this about CBM? Some sort of mod that I need to download?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Woops...i noticed now that this forum doesn't warn about incoming PMs...
So i read Sep's ones now. :S Feeling a little dumb here.
Anyway, if Pythium isn't available,i'll take Agartha.
And sorry again for the delay.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

You should set it up to e-mail you. I don't think I could cope without that feature.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Yes, I set it to receive emails whenever I receive a pm. And on the other board I receive emails whenever someone posts :P If I didn't I would constantly be refreshing the forums and that would just get ridiculously annoying after a while.

Yeah, CBM is a mod. Theoretically there will be either a download or a link to the download on the first page of this thread once we're ready to send in pretenders. Then you download it, unzip the mod and place the folder and .dm file in your dominions mods folder (C:\Program Files\dominions3\mods is the default path on windows).

On second glance, actually it seems CBM probably won't have a folder, but will have a .tga file alongside the .dm. There's no real difference really, you still just copy both of them into your mods folder.

CBM alters the costs, stats, and abilities of things a little in order to encourage more variety in gameplay. It strengthens some of the less used gods, reduces some summon prices and path costs, changes light cavalry to make it more useful in melee, etc. I believe it comes with a full changelog, so you can look through that to see what all changes it makes. I think the changelog is a little out of date though.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Since I cannot determine whether the 1.41 custom on Llamasever is the same as 1.41c, and can't find 1.41b, and to avoid confusion, we'll be using CBM 1.41, a link will be provided on the main page. The vets will just have to deal with the small Agartha bug.

Hosting will probably be set to 36 for the initial 20. Bear in mind though, this will mean less time for organization and communication between turns.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

Just ask Quantum Mechanic what the most recent build is, and where to get it. He made it, after all. I think it is 1.4.1 C though. That's what I am running on Llamaserver in another game.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Nation selection underway.
 

I've spoken with QM, my problem is what's available for selection on Llamasever. There's a 1.41 custom listed, if this is 1.41.c then we can use it, otherwise we'll just use 1.41.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Pretender uploading is underway.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Right! Tell us what to do, and when.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

I've dug up the Llamaserver FAQ and IMed details to Giant Moth, and also uploaded my own pretender.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

My pretender is in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Is the name of this game "Noobs vs. Vets"?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

NoobsvsVets is how it shows up on the llamaserver page.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Man is in, but the gamefiles keep calling me Chelms, which is the same(Man, Tower of Chelms). So I'm in :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Gath is in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Abysia is locked and loaded

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Ermor is sent and recieved

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Pan is in the house.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Whoa, whoa, whoa... the vets have someone who's both Big AND scary? I don't know that I signed up for this.

Ulm is in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

God, you guys are fast, have you been slavering to play?
I've been so busy, I've not even had a chance to even consider what my pretender might me, I'll need to look at a strategy guide pronto!

Though, I don't think the Agartha bug will mean much, since I beleive it means a blindlord has lvl 8 in air or something, it would still require the requisite reseach to make use of it, and in the hands of noobs? I think we'll use 1.41 c (apparently, this is the same as the 1.41 custom listed on the server and used by Lingchih in the Wild Pansies game. "Wild pansies"
Where do people come up with these crazy names?

I'll put an attachment on the main page for it, we'll use it in the actual game, to be fair to the vets, unless everyone is ok with just using 1.41.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

Level 8 air magic is hugely powerful. Theres no way that unit could be allowed to play. I've no objection to using the newer cbm.

Assuming the vets are OK with the noob team, we'll be starting soon, I think I may do 36 for the initial 10 on the hosting interval given the likelyhood of hostilities early on and to allow time for communication amongst teams.

It is in each team's best interest to insure they've got enough alternates for their side in case someone drops, stales, needs a sub, or whatever.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

They may be hugely powerful, but they also start around 40 years past their old age limit, so they die pretty quick and have some hefty stat penalties.

I think it's the magic adding to their age ^_^

Re: Noobs vs. Vets, LA, CBM, Upload Pretenders.
 

The game should work properly without resubmitting pretenders to make sure they aren't affected by the CBM version switch, but just to make sure I have resubmitted my pretender.