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I saw the same battle as you, I have no idea what happened. I'm amazed how many times (in the battle we saw at least) your queen recovered from being down to single digit hit points! even once blinded

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ahhh heck... I was so busy running around the apartment doing **** I forgot to send in the turn :(

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Oh god.

Why is earthquake so annoying.

WHY?!

Jazzepi

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Just be happy the aftershock didn't work ;)

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9hr extension due to extreme busy-ness

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by 9 I of course meant a standard day's extension ;p

promise only to operate in terms of normal extionsions of one day's length in the future :)

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Could we delay this next turn 24h? I'll probably get it in before that, just too tired to finish it up tonight.

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delayed a day :)

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I'm under a huge work load here. I put in a quick 5 minute turn before the host, but it didn't get there in time. I'm sure is llamabeast checks the server e-mail, it'll show my time stamp.

I'd like to rehost with that turn in place.

Jazzepi

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I staled on saturday, but I would be ok w/ a rehost if that were the general will. I believe you are in a war, and that always makes turns more difficult.

I generally check the thread fairly often, so even a late request for a turn extension would have some chance of being seen.

would this have to be a request to llama to sort it out?

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The e-mail records should show that I sent my turn in 2-3 minutes before the host. Or /at the very least/ I didn't get my "new" stale turn until after I had sent in last turn's orders.

Nobody has to do anything, really, Llamabeast just uses everyone's old turns, sticks in the one that I submitted earlier, and rehosts. It's quite painless.

Jazzepi

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well, i haven't looked at what is most likely an uninteresting turn, so it's no skin off my back.

do i email llama about the issue, or can it be done through the admin panel?

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I don't like rehosting. Its not a matter of players not having to do anything but the problem is battles can turn out differently or good events that don't happen or become bad events in the re-host. I had both a battle that went well and a good event last turn. Who knows what happens in the re-host?

Sending in a turn 2-3 minute before is rolling the dice IMHO. If I staled in that case I wouldn't ask for a re-host. I'll defer to the group though.

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Basically, yeah.

I'm a convention chair, and our convention is being hosted next weekend. I JUST got done putting in the order for the convention book. Ugh.

Jazzepi

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Well, I won't object if nobody else has a problem. But i'd say if there are 2 or more players who will be hurt by the re-host, we should just power through it.

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I don't mind.

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I think we'll probably re-host then, unless someone else speaks up. All in all, given the situation, it's ok.

however, if no one tells me exactly what I am supposed to do, I won't bother :)

i'll wait to give others time to object.

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Just contact Llamabeast and tell him to rehost the last turn, using all the old save files, and to stick in the one I sent in late in. He'll know what to do.

Jazzepi

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i don't mind

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I don't like it. Shall we rehost every time someone staled? Everyone has a good reason for it.
Archaeolept is very flexible and gives extentions everytime someone needs it, after all.

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3 ok w/ it, 2 more opposed. Generally, I agree there shouldn't be rehosts; but the situation is borderline, and I'm guessing the email timestamp is before hosting. Nevertheless, while it is a bad precedent, i'll email llama.

edit: also, i had a 750 gold event :(

:p

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Yep, in fact you can do this yourself archae.

You need to:

1) Rollback
2) Get Jazzepi *only* to send his turn in (you can see if anyone else does, because people will be shown as "Waiting for 2h file" even though their 2h files are in fact ready to be used on hosting)
3) Force hosting

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the problem with that is that it allows an altered turn to be sent, as opposed to the "rush turn" that was sent in and time-stamped. As a general matter of proper procedures I'd have a problem with that. Everyone else would have to be allowed to send in a possibly updated turn, and it would be a real mess IMO.

I'd be opposed to rehosting the turn like this; that sort of thing allows for exploits, and I've certainly met some players in the past who would try.

OTOH, I'd also rather not cause any work for Llama: he should be under no expectation of any effort above and beyond what is necessary for maintaining his wonderful server.

Jazzepi, we all operate under similar constraints, and the error in essence was yours.

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Bleh. We did this exact thing before in another game I was in, when the player I was attacking had the exact same issue, and instead of steam rolling him we rehosted with the time stamped file he sent in that didn't get included in the game hosting, and I got whomped, but it was straightforward and much more fair to that person.

I really don't think this is a huge inconvenience for Llamabeast, and I have a generally impeccable record with both staying in games, and getting my turns in on time (if not the first person). I'm not asking for a chance to submit some phoney redone turn, I just want the one that I sent in with the appropriate time stamp on it (I literally just moved armies around, set units to research, and did a basic round of recruitment) to be used.

Jazzepi

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I don't believe you are being steamrollered?? please correct me if I am wrong.

I missed hosting by 20 minutes on Saturday - it sounds like that caused me greater damage than this one for you, as I was unable to protect my thugs from being mind hunted, and my responding attack (and a crucial forging) did not occur...

extended hosting by 24 hrs due to the status of the turn having been in question.

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Forgive me for being dumb, but how exactly does a game get hosted missing a turn that arrived before the due date? Unless there is some known issue with Llamaserver not checking for turns that have arrived before it hosts the game, I fail to see the argument involved.

And I agree with others that re-hosting shouldn't be done except when there is a server problem. It can make quite a difference in the outcome of the game for other players who did fine getting their turns in and/or asked for extensions when they needed it.

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Yeah, honestly, I don't think I have ever been in a game where there was a re-host b/c someone staled.

I staled once in Kingmaker - I sent the turn a few minutes before I got the turn back with the stale - clearly the server was processing the turn - its not like it declines a turn that gets there in time. I'd never even think of asking for a re-host, much less telling the admin to take care of it for me.

Plus you never know how long it might actually take an email to get somewhere. Which is why i think if you send in a turn within 10 minutes of the deadline, you're taking your chances.

Here I don't even see what the big deal is. Just ask for an extension next time.

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yeah, the issue was that jazzepi sent it 3 minutes or something before host, but the power of the interwebs defeated it from arriving in time...

I think it's best just to continue. Hopefully little happened to jazzepi other than him missing out on doing stuff.

If this week is also busy, please just post in the thread and I'll be happy to delay hosting. 2 days/turn with this many wars is already pushing it for this stage of the game.

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Eriu's expeditionary scouting force reports the existence of the much feared and fabled dead gods of tartarus in arcos' territory. Luckily, they do not seem to have a large army to accompany them nearby.

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I may need a delay later this week. I am going in for corrective eye surgery (lasik) on Thursday, and am not sure how long until I'm seeing well enough to play. My guess is two days.

I'll play every turn I have available Thursday morning my time (late wed night US), which means nothing will be due for at least a day, but may not be able to play turns then, and even if I can probably shouldn't be staring at a screen.

So, if we can either put a delay in then, or if the admin can keep an eye out and if I haven't got a turn in I'd really appreciate it. Obviously as soon as I'm ok I'll play turns and post.

If for whatever reason I'm not back longer than people are prepared to wait, I'll wear a stale or two - don't think I've vanished and waste time searching for an AI.

If I don't come back for ages please look up a good eye specialist for me because mine obviously hasn't done his job right!

Thanks,
Dragar

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sure, that won't be a problem. i'll delay it a couple days, and that should give you the time you need.

edit: we could also consider going to 3 day turns reasonably soon if people are so inclined.

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incabulus (atlantis) staled a second time ... supposedly he has not been heard from in any of his games. It might be wise to look for a sub - it's an attractive position, as rlyeh is AI and, I believe, atlantis is in no wars anymore.

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he was traveling in europe - had a PM from him about 10 days ago. hopefully the guy is ok but agree we should look for a sub or turn him AI.

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rlyeh is AI? atlantis is definitely a good position then. Atlantis and Abysia were warring for a while but we made peace a few turns ago

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yah, I was surprised to see that R'lyeh was AI - and I'm horribly situated as a majority of my provinces border him...

ok, i'll make a sub thread for atlantis, and i'm delaying hosting for a couple days.

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P3D has volunteered to sub Atlantis. All hail P3D.

I asked for the turn to be resent - P3D, if you don't get it try and request it from llamaserver yourself - option on the game page.

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Got the turn the first time. Atlantis is in a worse state than I imagined.

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oh lol sorry ;)

it must have been battered by the war.

hopefully you have the potential to prevail over the dreaded space squids?

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Can I get a 36 hour extension? I'm charing a convention, and I really don't have the time to do a turn this complicated.

Jazzepi

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sure thing. 36 hrs added. hopefully that's enough for everyone :)

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adding 12 hrs as no turn from Man or Atlantis. It could be that P3D has determined that Atlantis is un-savable; Jazzepi is most likely still dealing w/ his conference duties.

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I could submit a few turns, but Atlantis does not have a single Nature mage by turn 53, and site searching done only by VoT.:(

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well, it's up to you. I guess I was hoping that Atlantis was in an ok situation, and the prospect of taking out the seas might be enticing.

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he also lost about 20 Kings and a kitted elemental queen very quickly attacking abysia, possibly not an optimal landfall target for an aquatic race ;)

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So there's where all the gems went.
Will set it to AI.

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I'd just like to take a moment to thank Man for bringing back the gear and most especially the Precious ... it was difficult being apart from it all this time! <Golum, golum!>

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thanks P3D for giving it a look over. I didn't know it was in such a sorry shape.

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I have to say "uncle" and vote to go to 3 days turns.

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i was just thinking the same. 3 days would be nice.

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ok, as we're all (i think) in complex wars, i'll move it over to 3 days - adding 24 hrs now, will change to 3 come next turn.