Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Good point on the glamour.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

I've turned off quickhost and extended the turn by a total of 12 hours. I bumped the thread requesting for a sub as well. I'll set the nation to AI and if we don't get any takers by the end of the hosting time, then the Giants will remain Computer controlled.

My apologies to chris if this ruins his game, but unfortunate things do happen that are out of everyone's control. If it makes you feel any better, I might be equally doomed as well, solidifying Utgard as the true super power of this game.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

No problems AoE!

As we say in Ryleh.. Afhon awei3nosidj aenoiasn ew fh!

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Good news. I asked Unoptimized to set Neifelhiem to AI and he decided, after seeing the turn, that he wouldn't mind submitting an actual turn. So I guess we found our sub for now. Welcome to the game Unoptimized.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Dragar submitted a Utgard turn post-Thursday. I assume the lasik surgery went better then expected?

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

yep, seeing great within a day :) sorry forgot to post in this thread

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

No problem Dragar. Just glad things went well for you.

My apologies but I have had a busy weekend and need a 6 hour delay for myself.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

R'yleh is looking to trade for astral or sell earth.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Utgard will use its mulligan

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Really? :)

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

had to give it a shot ;)

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

I think the ice giants will use their mulligan as well. I hear the mythical land of turn prior had me with not being sieged everywhere ;).

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Interesting. It sounds as if we are rolling back to turn 35.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

we can roll back 2 turns? I suppose

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

I just noticed the hosting time after the last rollback - needs to be pushed back, most people won't even be aware of the rollback by the time it hits. I'll barely be back from work

I'm guessing it didn't reset for some reason or other

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

I fixed the hosting time issue.

Indeed, I never expected this case to occur. I obliged mostly because Unoptimized is new to our game and may be in a tough position. I feel it really hurts me a lot in my own war with you though.

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I'm getting fuzzy on turn memory.. does this bring us back to the turn before our really big battle, or the turn after? If the latter I can definitely understand your frustration, exactly the wrong timing for you.

What I am finding a bit difficult/random with the mulligan system, especially with 2 turn rollback, are all the bystanders that get affected with each mulligan. I use a mulligan because of a battle with you, and a bunch of other people can either gain or lose a lot. Momentum in a war gets destroyed and your opponent didn't pay anything for it. It also slows the game a lot for those in relatively stable times when a heap of mulligans get used in short order, as they have the past several turns here

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

I understand. The good news is that we are fast running out of mulligans. We are also fortunate to have a game with a steady and fast pace. Most games I've played wouldn't be up to turn 35 at this point. Still, I think it best to avoid back-to-back mulligans from now on.

By the way, it is now the turn where we just concluded your successful attack. So yeah, I think the mulligan favors you.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

I am having a deuce of a time figuring out trades and things...
can we delay things maybe 6 more hours?

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Indeed. Personally I just dug up the 2h file from last time and modified it. If you can't do that and didn't mind the moves you made last time, you could just stale.

Edit: I updated the original post to reflect the recent usage of mulligans.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Yes it certainly has been a quick game, it's been very enjoyable to date, even with the mulligans lately which, as you say, are close to running out. Mind you those remaining are concentrated in the south of the map, so they may all be used in a rapid flurry like ours were

I agree I've had the better of this extra mulligan in terms of our war, but I don't think it is pivotal at all, unless you have something elaborate cooked up that will be effected by any changes in this turn ;)

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Your right, not dramatically in your favor, just slightly. However, cooking is actually one of specialties. Lets see what I can whip up for you.

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I extended the turn by 12 hours. We were apparently almost at the t-minus 4 hour mark. The turn seemed rather short to me and I didn't receive the six hour warning. I feared others didn't get the warning either.

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I am completely mistified by a battle result.

I sent 400+ free spawn vs. marignons 30 or so royal guards and 100 crossbow.

I cast darkness and rain - the precision of the marignon crossbowmen was *4*. Range was 24 to the closest unit and 30+ on average.

I am used to seeing wide amounts of scatter. In this case you see essentially *no* scatter. In the first 5 volleys virtually every single crossbow hit. None are long. None are short.

Only *1* shot in 500 shots inflict damage on the marignon royal guard, screening despite the fact that many are slimed or paralyzed and fatigued.

Can anyone explain this?

Also, I've looked at the debug log. But it seems that debug logs do not include crossbow resolution, the result just appear to load in from an army trs file.

According to the deviation formula EVEERY missile shot should deviate (range is > 4/2 -2), and the deviation (at minimum) should be.. 24*1.25/4 = 8 squares.. or more usually 10 squares.

But it never happens. at the *thickest point* my troops were 8 ranks deep. If the computer aimed smack in the middle... he could splatter and hit 4 in either direction. But not 8, and not 10.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

May I have a 3 hour extension? Green Elf needs sleep badly!

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Done.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Would it be possible to look at moving to 48hr turns?

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Sure, we are in the 40s after all. Well done for keeping up the pace for this long everyone.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Excellent service - Thanks! :)

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First, I'm moving and my new house may not have internet established for about a week. I'll beg, borrow, and steal as much as I can, but I may not be able to respond to requests as timely as I am normally able to.

Second, poor Utgard is on the retreat for now. Still far from over though and I'm anticipating some new tricks from this colossus of a nation. Still, I'll savor my more recent victories. Long live the empire.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Huh.

#1: doesn't that mean its time for a mulligan?

#2. News flash: you're dead. Long live the empire is probably an epithet where you're from.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Why don't we all take a week break then until your back in action?

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

huh? mulligan? dead? no comprendi

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

jokes man... didn't we have like 3 mulligans with you guys going back and forth on big battles?

And.. he's ermor. long live the empire seems like a nonsequitur...

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Chris, the undead are both alive and dead, therefore I could still wish it long life in my opinion.

Ehad, as for a break, I'm not going to request one as I can always snag internet from the local cafe. (Laptops are convenient.) If you are requesting a delay, then you can request one. Though I may not be able to respond until about this time tomorrow.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

nah, its all good. Moving house rates highly in the worst things to do stakes, so i thought a few days off wouldn't be a bad thing for you.

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Thanks for the consideration hEad.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

I am going to be out of the country from Friday noon till monday noon. May I have a postphonement during those times?

Tia

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Sure. Who is Tia?

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

tia = Thanks in Advance = )

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

whoa... cute and presumptuous simultaneously!

nice one! :D

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Aww hell I staled???? What a disaster.....what a freakin disaster..... HOURS to do that turn..... Micromanagement from hell

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Hey guys,

That stale cost me a capital (and miscellaneous damage) I would have retained otherwise. So I'm going to go AI. Just advising, in case you want to find a sub.

Lotta fun, thanks AoE!

Best...

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Thanks for playing. Sorry things turned out to be so ill.

As I said from the beginning, I'm not going to get into the habit of finding subs for other players. I'll be content with your judgment.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

I got my internet this morning (finally). My dependability is back up to full.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Seeing as R'leyh had to go AI because of bad luck, i'm willing to donate my mulligan to get them back in the game (best to try and avoid AI nations). However, seeing as its now two turns ago, some other generous character will need to tip a mulligan in as well and every one must be ok with a two turn roll back.

What do you all think?

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Postponed 24 hours for the discussion of hEad's proposal.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

C'est la vie! It would appear that luck has run out for the insane dwellers of the deep and their unfortunate leader. Silence appears to have condemned R'leyh to a mere foot note in the chronicles of our time.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

I'd like to use my mulligan.

Re: MilkShake - Vanilla; Multi-Age; Catan Rules; Mulligan(1) - Closed
 

Your request for a mulligan has been granted. The original post has been updated to reflect this.