Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Sure, it will give time for research, but it will also mean the vets will snap up all the indies quicker than you can blink if they aren't pressured early. A 10 turn NAP will basically eliminate the noob's numbers advantage. It's not like research will be faster or slower with an NAP in effect, and it's pretty much impossible to kill someone in the first 10 turns, so a 10-turn research counter can be reached no matter what the NAP conditions are.

I mean, I'll play under a 10 turn NAP without complaints, but enact one at your peril.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Last night the vets got together and made a list of all the nations we expected the noobs to pick. I'm curiuos to see how close we come to reality!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Make sure you share that with us once we determine what our final nations are. I know I'm curious to know how accurate it will be and what the reasons are for your choices.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Well, Illuminated One is correct on the intention of the NAP (of course it would be world-wide). The way I've placed the land nations, it will be at least 10 turns (I estimate) before the vets come into contact with us anyway. The main purpose of the NAP is keep the vet water nation from getting hostile early on, and to allow some research and development. So the idea that if there is no pressure early on the vets will run riot is a moot point. I would recommend at least a 10 turn NAP, however, 15 might be better. I'm sure if we take a vote it'd probably go along team lines, and the noobs might win as we've more votes.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I think it's kind of ironic that the newbs keep pushing so hard for settings that cripple them. I have no problem with the NAP, whatever length, but I totally agree it's to the vets strong advantage.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Less talk about game settings, more nation picks

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I wouldn't think the NAP would be a good idea myself, either.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

The noob team is doing some of this discussion on the other forum.

However, some of them are still not signed up (one is, but not properly). So here is a list of everyone on the noob team that is currently signed up and has gone through proper verification. If you are not on this list, I strongly suggest that you sign up or else you will miss a lot of information.

1. Septimius Severus
2. Darloth
3. Illuminated One
4. Jachra
5. Lavaere
6. LumenPlacidum
7. Stretch

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I'm fine with any length NAP, but please think it over. A NAP doesn't help with either of those objectives. Under a NAP, the water nation can snatch up land indeps without fear of being driven back into the water, making it more agressive than with no NAP. Research will happen at the same pace whether there is a NAP in place or not.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I'm not OK with any turn NAP with the Noobs. It defeats the spirit of the game. As soon as I see a Noob nation, I will attack it.

And yes, the Mysteria thing is confusing. Just go with it. The other vets won't let me play Pan, so I have to go with Nief.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

removed

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Conversly, with a NAP land nations may snatch up water provinces without fear of being driven back onto land. We (noobs) shall of course, think it over.

This game is/was intended obviously not to be a repeat of the rush type game in close quarters we had the first time around which proved nothing except that 2:1 will always win in that situation.

Should we institute an NAP I expect compliance from all.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I'll PM those who have yet to join, as I anticipated we may have lost one or two since inception.

Let's get those nation selections going as soon as possible (after any approriate discussion of course on the noob forum :)).

I hope to start pretender uploads soon.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

to let everyone know, I have chosen Lanka.
so vets was that on your list of chosen nations

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I'd choose Sauromatae then

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

We'll show our picks once the selection is done :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Heya! I hear there is room for another new fellow? :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I'll take Formoria

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Hello my green friend. We are currently awaiting nation choices for the rest of the noob team starting line-up. Currently we are at capacity, however, should someone drop or cease communication, or decide to go to standby status, you'll be in.

Right now, I'd love to have you as an alternate/standy. That means, you'll be called upon to sub either temp or permanently should the noob team find itself at less than full strength during the game.

Welcome aboard.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Lingchih, while we are waiting for the last few picks, how bout giving us some teaser info on your incredibly mysterious pretender build?

Will it be Mysterio or Mysteria? If not a gorgon, then what?

Tell us (especially the noob team) more!

Inquiring minds want to know. :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Ha! Nice try to bait info out of us, Sept. However, you won't get any details about our builds until you face them on the battlefield. Looking forward to seeing you then!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Actually Lingchih's build is so seeeecreeet even we don't know. This just to minimize all possible leaks.

Btw, are starting locations public knowledge?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Put me down for C'tis please. We'll see if I can pull it off. For the peanut gallery, I was originally going for Arco or Vanheim, but I changed my mind.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

whats a good size for making these battle 3vs6 or 4vs8 or something else. and around how many regions per nation
because I was thinking of reinstalling Age of Wonders for some map making. or if I'm feeling adventurous CC2 and make a couple maps

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Most mp games tend to be around 15 provinces per nation, from what I gather. Usually people don't like playing with more provinces than that. So I would say probably between 12-15 provinces player.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Actually Atul, my build is so secret even I do not know it. I had my mind wiped right after I made it.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

for the nation you've been forced to play there isn't a lot of options in terms of creative pretender design... as far as i know there are three possible chasis with very little difference between them, eh?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Vanheim for me!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I'll settle for knowing whether it will be Mysterio or Mysteria for now. If the former, I may change the name of the game to Mysterio's Revenge to be a bit more acurate.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Starting locations are not public knowledge at this point, and probably will never be. However, if your interested in your team's starting locations (once everyone has picked and I've placed individual nations) for planning purposes, I can PM them to you or one of the vets.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

We are awaiting offical nation selections on this thread for Illuminated One, Jachra, and of course myself. Then we shall begin. If QM, has released another version of CBM we'll use that, I don't see any 1.44 yet though.

After some consultation with my noob colleagues, I think it best to impose a 10 turn NAP, which should be agreeable to the vets as well.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

The new pretender is Mysterio. He is, of course, the pretender sent back through time to establish the reign of Mysteria. I know it sounds confusing. Just read Hyperion, by Dan Simmons. Then it will all make sense.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

After reading Hyperion nothing will ever make sense anymore.

As to personal starting location, yes it would be nice to know. After all, we plan to take over the world. As we do every friday.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Put the lash to these guys! Its time to get the game rolling.


I have no objection to a 10-turn nap, I dont think it will significantly effect the game.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I've created the game on Llamaserver for those of you who wish to upload your pretenders (created via CBM 1.41C, file can be found attached to the main post). I'll change the map when we have all locations in.

Mysterio's revenge it shall be.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

T'ien Ch'i is my choice.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

I think I'll take Mictlan.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Wooo - only sept is unannounced now.

I'll upload my pretender tonight or tomorrow morning

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

It's saying Desert Eye for the map. And you write a long enough name.

Also, lets go Habaek, the Water God.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Looks like we are set to go then, I'll update the map, place nations, and pm team locations tommorow. Pretender uploading begins. Good luck to both teams.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysteria's Revenge, EA, CBM, Nation Selection Underway.
 

Yes, though I like Atul's suggestion of him scrying into the future, this version is more dramatic (if not oddly familiar):

Mysterio, the only man who can withstand the gaze of a gorgon, happening upon the mortally wounded Mysteria who lay dying on the battlefield after the defeat of her veteran pretender god allies, vows to avenge her defeat and restore her to life. Using arcane magicks, Mysterio travels back into time to detroy the ancestors of the noob pretender gods and their armies to ensure that they will never be born and thereby prevent the death of his beloved consort Mysteria.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Upload Pretenders!
 

No that wasn't my take. Not enough greek tragedy "I'm your father" stuff in scrying.

But, what's your nation pick, Sept?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Upload Pretenders!
 

I see he's just now put a question mark down for his nation pick, so I guess even he doesn't know!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Upload Pretenders!
 

Edit my last post: Actually, consort(husband)/half-brother of Mysteria is what I was aiming at. I'll change it.

If you or Lingchih can come up with a better paragraph soon we will use that (assuming you both agree) :)

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Upload Pretenders!
 

Hey, that's really good Sept. I like the backstory. It fits very well.

Now make your damn nation pick. And let's get this thing rolling. I am dying to kill you all.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Upload Pretenders!
 

You needn't wait for me to upload your pretender my son.

I'll go with Ermor, don't see anything else I like.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Upload Pretenders!
 

Helheim pretender up!

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Upload Pretenders!
 

So what nations did you expect us to take?

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Upload Pretenders!
 

Let's get it started. All pretenders should be in by Monday. It's the weekend folks, what else do you have to do?

Neifelheim pretender is in.

Re: Noobs vs. Vets II: Mysterio's Revenge, EA, CBM, Upload Pretenders!
 

We all had slightly different takes, but the consensus was that you would pick these:

Abysia
Formoria
Agartha
Mictlan
Sauro
Ulm
Van
Yomi

And then each of us in particular thought you would additionally, pick these:

Ironhawk: Tien Chi, Tir Na Nog
TheDemon: Tien Chi, Arco
Quantum: Lanka, Tir Na Nog

So, looking at what you did end up picking we had about a 70% accuracy rate.