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I don't think that's how it works, but I do believe multiple attacks reduce the defense (or is it protection? don't have the manual on me at the moment) of the defending unit, so swarms are useful against big targets like giants.

And while swarm wont help the defense of the 'swarmers', each giant can still only kill only one human a round (at least not without a W9 blessing or magical help), well, until they start taking fatigue damage from cold auras ;)

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Yup, its the cold aura which is the real killer, made worse by the onset of winter. E/N bless is for longevity and its quite difficult for any swarm of mundane troops to consistently crank out so much damage so early.

Of course, where the bless strat falls apart for niefel is the fact that the giants are cap only; for future reference his capital is at (214) by the way, just to the south of the centre of the map :gossip:

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Hmm, might be your best bet regardless, depending on how well their 50% cold resistance holds up.

Their short swords (and wolf tribesmen's daggers) might have trouble punching through winterized armor. Maybe Earth Might at alt-1 and/or Armor of Achilles at alt-2.

Of course, another option is to hit them where they aren't - maybe it's raiding/pillaging time?

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Tien Chi is in the market for const lvl2 and lvl4 items! We may also be interested in selling gems for gold.

Please PM me if you are up the tree and interested in trading.

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Kailasa has (10) Fire gems for trading. We would prefer Water gems, but will also take Astral or Earth.

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The turn has been postoned for 24hrs. Hoo is having a computer problem.

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Helheim Markets
We at the Helheim Markets are willing to trade for anything. But prices sadly are not the same for everything

Selling Prices
1:1 or 15 gold trades... Fire, Air, Water, Astral, Nature
3:2 or 25 gold trades... Earth, Death

Currently we do not have all tradable items, but we do have some things in stock...
Fire (1) Air (10) Water (10) Nature (7) Death (20)

At this time all nations are welcomed to trade at the Helheim Markets

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Oceania is looking to buy a dwarven hammer. Perhaps multiple hammers if the price is right.

Pm with price suggestions.

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I sent in my turn with the proper file 1-2 hours ago but Llamaserver didn't acknowledge it even to say that I hadn't sent in the right file. Sent the turn in again 10 minutes ago and still nothing. Can you delay the game unless you see vanheim host? Is something wrong with Llamaserver?

These are the people with turns waiting as of 0305 GMT.

Arcoscephale Waiting for 2h file
Kailasa Waiting for 2h file
Niefelheim Waiting for 2h file
Vanheim Waiting for 2h file
Yomi Waiting for 2h file

I just got confirmation in my mailbox from a turn file that I sent in for another game 2-3 hours ago. Hopefully this new delay lets my turn file get in before the hosting... I'd hate to stale for something like this.

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Yeah, thanks for pointing this out. I've sent my turn in as well and it still shows mine outstanding. I was about to go to bed for the night. I've postponed hosting for 8 hours so that we won't stale while I'm asleep. This sort of thing has happened before and Llamabeast has said that when he checks it, the logs say it is actually the internet not delivering the emails to his server in a timely fashion.

I'll see what the situation is in the morning.

If we do somehow end of staling because of this, I will roll the game back since its out of our control. But I'll try and stay on top of it and not let it do that. I sent my turn in over 6 hours ago I think.

EDIT: Okay, this too funny not to share. I checked my mail and had gotten a mail back from Llamaserver saying "Problem, 2h file not found". Turns out I had accidentally attached my resume to the email. LOL Yeah ... been looking for work for too long now.

The server updated itself saying its got my turn now that I've sent it in properly. Try again on your end and see if it works.

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wouldnt it make ALOT more sense to postpone hosting for 24 hours (and then more if needed) instead of rolling back the turn if it stalls? that sounds very much like exploitation and i cant think of a reason not to do it that way. correct me if im missing something

you said youd stay on top of it but why risk it stalling? :P

if i get a good event and then we roll back id be pissed... or even worse if we rolled back and i get a disastrous event (and its sure to happen to somebody)

in fact id even be unhappy if i got a good event due to rolling back as i feel like a cheat ^^

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You're probably right. But I knew when I'd get up in the morning. There wasn't any danger of it happening. How would it be exploitation? I wouldn't know ahead of time whether it was good or bad for me or anyone else.

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Whats the average province count per nation for this map?

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Thanks for keeping an eye on it, Firewalker. It looks like it finally made it in about 50 minutes after I posted. I hope that the lazy router in between me and llamaserver gets better soon...

After submitting today's turn (12), I may not be able to submit a new turn until early Sunday morning GMT. I'll be out of town going to a friend's wedding and will not have internet access. Once we receive turn 13, can we have a delay so that it isn't due before something like Sunday at 0400 GMT?

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Theoretically, its over 20 per player. 480 land / 21 players = 22.85 provinces/player. 122 sea / 3 players = 40/player. But reality isn't like that since there are seas that are not accessible to the sea players and on land there are regions of wasteland and swamp that a player can't be forced to start on. So, it isn't perfectly balanced. Some areas the starting positions are more crowded than others. I tried to give everyone at least 4/5 provinces distance from another start position.

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Okay, I'll make a note of it. Thanks for the heads up.

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Oh I understand, I'm trying to figure out whats a good average since we are playing without graphs.

Is it possible to turn the graphs on towards the end of the game? Or show them every 10 turns or so?

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I like it better without graphs; it puts a premium on scouting and subterfuge. It your neighbor an aggressive powerhouse with a massive army waiting to attack or a struggling nation? Who knows! Negotiations and diplomacy are more interesting.

Just my 2 cents. This is only the second game I've played, so I'm no expert.

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no graphs = pain in the *** but awesome.

oh and firewalker i didnt really express myself correclty. i didnt mean your trying to exploit anything but that since it made no sense it makes one wonder.

you could be planing to enter a dangerous site or really do anything that could go bad. then if it did go bad you could roll back :P

but as really i wasnt trying to flat out say you ARE doing that. thanks for keeping an eye on it and all is well :)

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Unfortunately, no. It would be fun to try things like that. Or simple rankings rather actual figures. I especially would like VP scores to be something that could be on. But as it is, they are either on all game or off all game.

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No problem. I didn't think about it at the time. I was just thinking in terms of, if Llamaserver is not functioning, don't worry about staling if it happens. And I wanted to go to sleep.

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My thoughts as well. I've played in a couple games with graphs on and inevitably as soon as someone pulls away from the pack, a alliance forms to take them down. I guess that can be fun too, kind of a king of the hill type of situation. But, I like a game where there is some uncertainty and bluffing and such is possible.

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scouting and getting (possibly paying) for information about the strengths of other nations is much more important adding even more strategic options

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By the way, I need until Sunday 0400 GMT and not Saturday 0400 GMT to get this turn in. If the turn is kept at its current due date (Saturday 0400 GMT) then I will stale...

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Even with graphs on you still need scouts imo.
Graphs allow you to look back and chart the course of a game; even reading the graph is an art in itself I think. Someone could always be inflating their army size :p

Without graphs you can make notes and stuff I suppose, but I don't have the time. If anyone has played civ4, a similar 'replay' graph/feature would be cool to have at the end of the game!

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Speaking of settings, what are Random Events at, the usual Common, or Rare? I mean, I'm probably the only crazy fool who went Turmoil-3/Luck-3, and it just doesn't seem like I'm seeing many events. I had zero last turn, and I have, well, let's just say I have enough provinces, mostly in my dominion, that that seems kind of unusual.

There's nothing posted about events in the first post on page 1. If events are rare, I'll be bummed for sure (I would've picked a different race, or at least gone with a different build), but I guess I'll just have to suck it up now...

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They are at the default setting, nothing unusual. Must be the luck-3 version of bad luck!

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I've gotten 1-3 events each turn.
An annoying one was event giving 200 gold and the next event taking away 200 gold.

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Got it set for Sunday now.

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LOL. The random number generator giveth and the random number generator taketh away.

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I have turmoil 3 luck 3 and I have been hit by 4 half pop plague events so far. I think i would prefer your lack of anything....

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Sorry to hear that, Alpine Joe, I guess I'll quit my whining - compared to your "luck", I guess no news is good news ;)

I am happy to hear that we are using Regular events setting, and that someday my scales will pay off (just not with a plague or a visit by the Ancient Presence on my capital, I hope).

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Thanks for the extension. I'm back, and turn 14 has been sent out..

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OK, had three random events this turn, one good (free temple) and two so-so (free militia, and growth up/faith down). Guess I just had some bad luck with my luck the few turns previous :)

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looking to buy some Dwarven Hammers. Please message oceanias secretary of hammer purchasing

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arco is about to stall..

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I am playing Arco. The message I got from the server stated that the turn was not until Monday - unfortunately I didn't notice it was GMT. Otherwise I would have submitted the turn in on time. Probably can't recover from a missed turn in these games.

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Stales happen, and aren't usually fatal. Unless you were in a major war and had your army annihilated or something.

Think of all the extra $$$ you have for your next turn!

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Yeah, the GMT takes a little getting used to. I look at the due date and the current time and figure the number of hours remaining in my head and then add it to my clock. Don't worry so much about it, you'll be fine. If you stale too often it can have an impact, but one missed turn isn't going to make you lose the game.

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I'd like a 6 hour turn delay. Workign late and won't be home till turn hosts.

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Done.

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Thanks for the battle punkzip, kinda sad I couldn't kill your pretender though. I'm guessing thats why you had him there.
:) Now wheres that pointy stick I had for poking people in the eye

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I'm going to be away from the internet this weekend, so I'd like to request a delay.
I'll have a chance to play one more turn tonight, but probably not the next unless it hosts early.
I'll be gone until some time Monday night US east coast time, which makes it early Tuesday morning GMT. If you give me until 100 GMT on Tuesday, I should have a bit of leeway to cover anything unforeseen.

Thanks

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Seeking a loan: Agartha is now facing the brunt of the Niefel Giants that made forum news earlier, and is looking for war capital.

A total of 2000 gold is sought before turn 20, in any multiple of 100 gold (to keep the bookkeeping easy). For each 100 gold lent, Agartha is prepared to repay 12 gold/turn over 10 turns, e.g. 20% interest, after a 2 turn grace period (e.g., no payments will be made turns 20 or 21).

If you're interested, please PM me with the amount you are willing to loan. I will PM lenders confirming the amount lent, and, if asked by the lender, post the amount lent and/or by whom to this thread for accountability's sake.

On my personal honor, unless I am ousted from the game, I will repay the full sum on the proposed schedule. If lent the full 2000 gold (presumably not all by one player), my payments would come to 240 gold/turn, a significant but entirely managable amount.

If anyone would like Earth magic items (such as Dwarven Hammers) I am willing to negotiate that in lieu of interest.

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Agartha attack Niefelheim.Niefelheim and his allies respond to attack.Agartha can`t respond to loan because his income is very low.He has only 4-5 provinces.

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I don't want to start an argument on this thread, so I'll confine myself to saying that everything majuva68 said is wrong. Obviously, its his word against mine, so you have to judge for yourselves. I'll try not to make any more posts like this.

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Okay, I was considering moving us to 48 turns at turn 20 anyway as I have started a new job and it will be sucking all my brain power for a couple months.

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Try to view everything said on the thread as public "banter". It makes the game more fun, actually, if you take a role playing attitude. Obviously, a country is going to claim all sorts of things in public ... We are all just Pretenders contending to become the One True God, after all. :D

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if anybody gets offended because of in-game / in-character babbling then he/she is an official dumbass :P

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You're right, of course. I feel comfortable RP-ing in messages I send in-game, but I need to get more comfortable talking trash on the game thread. I think I'll start posting in-character.

Thanks everyone, and in "everyone" I very much include majuva68. The next few turns should be interesting.:)