Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

If all events are prohibited in the first year it will make misfortune even more attractive and luck will be nearly never taken.
But plaguelike events are just too crippling.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Just prohibited in the capitol for the first year. No restrictions elsewhere.

Also, I know conventional wisdom is that misfortune is free points, but the increased frequency of lost provinces to indie attacks is really annoying, and tends to disrupt military operations. I'm starting to think of misfortune as a worse disadvantage than death scales - at least I can predict lost revenue from death scales, and am not going to lose soldier hours taking provinces back or gem income while provinces are occupied.

(And it takes an amazing amount of PD for most nations to repel knight attacks, and even large barbarian attacks, and that's money that's not being spent productively).

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

My starts the same. We are on indies 6 I believe but the number of defenders is huge in the water. So expansion is really tough. If it makes you feel any better I suspect our province counts are pretty close and I am guessing your army is already bigger with your free spawn.

I am still suprised your tests showed a Ghost King could take on many indies on these settings. I mean he has no spells for buffs (apart from Twist Fate maybe) and no equipment. His standard weapon is 'no strength' so isn't going to kill anything with protection. I have used a Ghost king plenty of times. It was pretty much the only choice for pre patch Jomon if you ever wanted to use your summons. I always found them pretty fragile as they can't deal out any damage apart from a bit of chill (which takes time).

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I've found them more fragile on land because they don't like archers. In the water they're virtually impervious (bar hydromancer). You don't win combat by killing things, you win combat by making them run away, and you can damage just about anything. For example, a GK can handle arbitrary numbers of tritons or merfolk. (Once you're surrounded it really doesn't matter how many there are total - they'll break as squads...).

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Sigh, no edits:

Also, i'm reasonably sure while my standard attack is no strength it also ignores armor. Protection is irrelevant.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Not irrelevent...

No strength means buffs like giant strength dont work. Things like trolls high hp/ + regen are slow to kill.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Kills are irrelevant. Making them run away is. I've got a GK in one game who has personally conquered 9 provinces with a grand total of 14 kills. If they run away the all die. You only need to deal damage to cause a morale check, after all.

And how long do you think a GK is intended to solo indies for? Giant Strength? Seriously? By the end of year one he's a forger/researcher/battle caster/site searcher. He's not intended to melee other players' armies.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Well it isn't looking good for either of the water powers. I never received a turn 5 so have just staled out....

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I also didn't receive my turn in another game today. It happens. You should always check the game state at llamaserver page.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I did but of course there are two R'Leyh's in this game :p

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

It's easy to distinguish. Late era nations are above at the status page and middle era is below.

Late:
Middle:
Your nation is second from bottom.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Well it looks like I found my first neighbor.

I wonder if it will be peace or war?

:D

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

By the way Squirrel - I'm in the same boat as you. 120 in every adjacent province. Lost twice.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I'm basically in 'sit back and wait for research/gems to do anything' mode at this point. Unlike anyone else, however, I'm on a timer to expand or die. Getting screwed by the variance in indie strength on indie str 6 is brutal for Rlyeh, especially LA Rlyeh, because our basic troops suck so much in general, and i'm hemorrhaging income like crazy (Yay toxic dominion?). Maybe i'll manage to call my god sooner rather than later...

LA Rlyeh depends on being able to expand *some*.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Truth that.
In my opinion, it makes the first turn gamble a bad one. On the upside, you gain one territory.

The downside is you lose the game. And sure, the upside happens 7 out of 10. The downside is a real bummer however.

Like you, I don't like capital events for the first 6 months or so. The real bummer of the misfortune scale is that an early event like barbarian attacks or plague - isn't so much that it knocks a player out of the game.

It *also* distorts the game for the rest of the players. Ie., someone gets free expansion.

Attacking blind is a little bit like that luck event. If you wait one turn you can vastly increase your odds. You can choose the weakest province to attack, you can add bodyguards - or, if they are all too strong, you can sit and research something that will give you better odds.... If you don't wait, its trusting in luck.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Well if it makes you feel better, I lost 20% of my capitols pop on the second turn. :eek:

But the Indies have been being subjugated for little loss.

I'm about to go to war in the next few turns.

It's just a matter of who???

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Anyone interested in trading gems? I'm looking for air gems. Willing to trade or buy.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I can trade away any gems as long as they're fire

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Hi Chris, I'll trade 10 air gems for 100 gold.

Let me know when you want them.

:D

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Hey ano,

For future events with this map, I really suggest getting rid of multisites.

2 players started within 2 provinces of a multisite.

3 others are 3-4.

For the rest of us, they are unreachable. Pretty significant advantage.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Stale... :(

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Zotz the Prophet of Sleepy declares that the heretics of Ulm shall be given dirt naps.

Those who wish to contribute to the eradication of these anti-magical heretics shall be re-payed with interest... :D

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

LA Agartha would like to hear from anyone who has hit or is nearing con 4 and would be willing to forge me some gear. I am trying to survive a attack from Ano who has an irritating habit of winning the games he plays in and is playing as a powerful nation in Gath. Help would be appreciated. I'm gonna fight to the end so those who neighbor Gath and have NAP's with Gath can consider this an opportunity to cancel your NAP's and strike while his forces are occupied with me.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Isn't too early to make such statements while out forces never even met? I am very afraid of you, really.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Gah...for the first time ever misfortune 2 has not been worth it. Lab burns down in home province, build it back up. Then a group of independant knights come and slaughter the 25 PD in my home province without a loss...that gets dealt with after having to wait a turn. Then gath attacks - not misfortune 2 but still rather unfortunate. And then the icing on the cake...

Bogus the annoyingly heroic troll: "Yo, I heard you're keeping some blood slaves in here, that ain't right."

Revolution: "Errr...nope, I don't blood hunt actually. Your princess is likely in another castle."

Bogus and his group of jackasses: "We're gonna attack your home castle anyway."

Revolution: O_o (kicks cat across room)



















(I didn't actually kick my cat)

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I'll see your misfortune 2 and give you my misfortune 2 with a plague on the growth 3 capital...

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I'll see your misfortune 2 and give you my LUCK 2
with a fire, an earthquake, and a plague. All on capital.

and two more plagues, not on capital.

And a total of 200 gp in positive luck so far.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I'll be out of town until Wednesday. If the last turn gets done soon, I can get mine done otherwise it will be wednesday before I can.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Hm, this is the third time in a row I had to use resend turn, hope Llama fixes what ever needs fixing before I miss a turn.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

BandarLover
If I see your turn isn't in, I'll postpone hosting.
Executor
Same for me. Not in a row but third time

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I'm going to be away from tomorrow (i suppose its barely today) evening through next week monday. I would of course love a delay of game until then, but i can try to find a sub in the meantime. (a couple turns ago i would have been ok with just staling a few turns, but now I actually have productive things to do routinely).

If I find a way to play during some of that time i'll let you know, but i certainly won't be able to play this coming weekend.

I will be gone for more time in August, but I have a sub already lined up for that (he won't be able to sub this week for reasons relating to why i'll be gone).

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Please, try to find a sub (this actually was to be done earlier).
If you don't manage to, then ok, I will pause the game but indeed it's a too big pause for this stage of the game.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

ok, i have a sub up through thursday. Do I PM you his e-mail address so you can change where the turn is sent?

He also won't be available friday - sunday, and possibly monday. But that's less of a delay than it would have been otherwise.

I'll be driving like all day monday, so if the turn was due like midnight i'd appreciate it. (US central timezone, not sure what that is in GMT offhand, or even which day, probably into tuesday)

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

I'll pause the game whenever I see your turn is not in.
Yes, your sub should PM me his address so that I could change it.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Yikes! Someone has changed my email address for this game! Please can you check that it's still going to hoplosternum (at) hotmail.com?

Have you switched the wrong R'Lyeh?

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Damn! That was you!
Please PM me your address and I will change it back.

I am sorry but there's absolutely no obvious way to understand who is who on that page.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

You have a pm....

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Changed it back. Report me if everything is ok now
As a side note for future: LA R'lyeh email is first of two at the "change email" page

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Seems fine now. Cheers. I have successfully resent my turn.

Just hope there wasn't a catastrophic intelligence blunder where my whole map, forces, income and research priorities were revealed to my younger (and quite crazy) fellow water dweller :shock:

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

No. That was just a mistake. Don't think of such things please. After I realized that there was a mistake, I immediately switched email to fake one.
Look here
And here. If someone tells me how nations with same names can be distinguished at this page, I'll greatly appreciate this.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Hey let's have some people tell some tales.

This month We slew the false prophet of Ulm and started the seige of his capitol. Soon this false pretender will fade from this realm... All Hail Sleepy... :angel

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Ive reported it to llama.. its on his todo list =)

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

No worries Ano. I know these things can happen :)

I hate to ask anything more of Llama as he has already done so much for the community. But there are now a lot of these multi age games now so it would be really great if the Llama server at some point could show the difference more clearly.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

If nations were sorted there in same way they are sorted at regular game page (LA nations first and then MA nations) there would be no problem. But the sorting order is different and I didn't see any obvious logic there. Actually I realized I could have done something wrong immediately after I've done it:)

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Oh!
It seems I understood it. Sorting order is the same but you should read it as you read the book - line by line. I thought that they should be read column by column and that's what confused me:)
Still need to have something more obvious at llamaserver but in this game, I hope, it won't happen again)))

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

It seems to me the best solution would be to put the name of the player after the listing of the race. This would stop the confusion.

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

At llamaserver? Yes, probably that would be a nice feature but it requires a piece of work

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Well if llamabeast does add this feature to his server, I certainly hope it will be a selectable option and not come as standard. Since knowing which player is playing which nation would destroy all RAND games on the spot :(

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

Best to just add "MA,LA, or EA"

Re: Nox. MA+LA. Started.
 

No, chris, it would be a nice option.
I caught myself much more than once trying to understand who is who in some random game at llamaserver. Of course, I always can search the forum, find the thread, then look if there're any subs.. But I'd say it's hardly convenient.
But yes, this should definitely be an option.