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Yep.....63.5km - 64.4km = 255 ( maximum value allowed )

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That's really the "key" to counter-battery in WinSPMBT.
Range.
If your off-map artillery has a better range then the opposition you're much less likely to receive counter-battery.

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Was checking the news before "hitting the rack" with my new assignment for now. I'm holding off posting anything on the news front until the patch is ready, especially if overlaps anything done already.

But the next is a safe item and of something I've heard about but, never realized it existed. So I hope you enjoy the video!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHTF...E#action=share

Enjoy and Good Night!!

Regards,
Pat
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The problem with artillery/guns is the necessary case thickness (durability) to withstand explosive acceleration limits the amount of explosive each shell can have. Additionally if traveling 1500km heating from air friction is going to be a major issue. Railguns already have a problem with their solid rounds vaporizing if not made from very specific, and expensive, materials.

Currently the standard aircraft bomb averages around 250-500kg of explosive, the 155mm artillery warhead has around 7kg. So you'd need about 36-70 155mm's to do the damage of one bomb. And even with GPS (or whatever) hitting a point target at 1500km is going to be problematic. A 250kg bomb can "afford" to miss by 10-20m, a 155mm warhead can't.

Nice project, I'm sure some valuable data will be collected from the research, but don't expect to see a practical, functional, gun anytime soon.

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Came across this article concerning Spain's first firing of the EXPAL 155mm ER ammo from their SIAC 155/52 towed howitzer. This firing was postponed from 2020 due to our "friend" COVID-19. This took place during maneuvers earlier this month.

But, that is not the news here, Spain's UNIT062 ATP M109A5E is however, the real story here...
"The same exercise will later take place with the ATP M-109 A5E self-propelled howitzer, once the program underway to change the tubes of this veteran platform is completed."

They're going from the current 155/32mm to the 155mm/52 on the ATP M109A5E. They're NOT going to re-tube those units with what is now an outdated tube or manufacture 2 to different sized shells.

My best guess for now is the new tubes should be installed between APR-JUN 2022.

I also would expect the EXPAL 155mm ER to be tested on a ATP M109A5E by years end.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...mmunition.html

Regards,
Pat
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https://defense-studies.blogspot.com...-self.html?m=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjervoB6BDI

PTH-130 - K255B (Vietnamese: Pháo Tự Hành 130 ly - Khung Gầm KrAZ-255/English: KrAZ-255-mounted 130mm self-propelled field gun) of Vietnam People Army making a surprise apperance on a QPVN channel. The PTH130-K225B 130mm SPG developed by the Military Technical Institute.

The Vietnamese SPG strongly resembles Cuba's Jupiter V SPG and is implied to be based upon it due to Cuban-Vietnamese military cooperation. Both use the older Soviet M1954 (M-46) 130mm towed field gun as their main weapon.

The intention to create the PTH130-K225B can be traced back to 2017 after it was announced that plans would be made to do so following the successful trials of the PTH105 (old American 105mm howitzers on the chassis of a Ural).

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...cyUlybn-=s1039

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PHL-16 MRL confirmed in service in Xinjiang earlier this week.

https://i.imgur.com/ztBiBkF.jpg

Basically, this started out as the AR-3 commercial/export MRL by NORINCO back in 2010.

It wasn't actually shown in Chinese service until the 2019 National Day Parade; where unlabelled units paraded.

The PHL-16 appears to be the replacement for the earlier 12x300mm PHL-03 MRL.

What makes the PHL-16 different is that the PHL-16 has two modular launch cells; with each cell carrying either:

5 x 300mm Rockets
4 x 370mm Rockets

The export version (AR-3) offers:

750mm Fire Dragon 480 Tactical Ballistic Missile
380mm TL-7B Anti Ship Missile

But it's not known if the PLA(N) bought these.

BTW -- Chinese Unit 742 A-100 Platoon is incorrect.

The PLA tested out the A-100 in trials in the early 2000s; but it wasn't selected for service with the PLA; that honor going to the PHL-03 (Type 03) system. However, if you want to keep it without deleting the unit entry; may I suggest changing the exit date to December 2003; so that the A-100 can represent the "trials" vehicles.

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Next in the saga of 70 KILOMETRE GUNNERY

Izvestia reports that state trails of the 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV SPH will begin next year and are schedule to be completed on September 30, 2022. Koalitsiya-SV is fitted with a 152mm 2A88 gun with a reported max firing range of 70-80km (RAP).

https://iz.ru/1259811/aleksei-ramm-b...-koalitciia-sv

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obat51 Slovakia:

143,144 RM-70 Modular - the first was delivered in 5/2005, the whole series was delivered by 2007 (now 114 or 116). https://www.valka.cz/topic/view/12992
I assume, the Slovaks got them with rockets and they should have been ready around 2007.

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OBAT 066 Sweden

Unit 386 RBS-103 Patriot has IOCed with the Swedish military as of 17 December 2021.

Also:

Unit 189 RBS-56 TI ATGM
Unit 203 RBS-56B ATGM

It appears that the BILL system was removed from service in 2013 by the Swedish military as a cost cutting measure and the excess units sold to SAAB.

It seems that the Swedish armed forces have changed their mind on that. The RBS-56 BILL systems are being bought back from SAAB, albeit with new sighting systems and other modifications.

This is intended to be an interim solution until the MMP ATGM becomes available from 2025 onwards.

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I believe of the systems from the following ref. only the SA-12 Gladiator S-300V 9K81 air defense missile system would amount to a new addition to the Ukraine OOB. The tracked launchers were built in Ukraine at the "home" of Soviet T-72 design & production. These are likely to be coming from Poland and possibly also the Baltic States. I would expect these to be either the S-300V3 or S-300V4 versions. https://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...res_video.html

The one "I'm on the fence about" is the SA-14 Gremin 9K34 Strela-3 (What version?) MANPADS Man-portable air defense missile system.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russ...sile_data.html

The full article...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

The "No Fly Zone" and fighters are a dead issue here. However the conversation is shifting towards Med Rng. SAMs, I can see this on the horizon. We've seeded Poland and the Baltic states with our PATRIOTs and those countries have plenty of Soviet/Russian era Med and Long Rng. SAM systems available for use by the Ukrainians w/o the training down time.

Regards,
Pat
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Weapons in this thread in support of the Ukraine is starting to move more quickly in the last 2 weeks.

So, here's what's been sent thus far (The only thing new might be that the Ukraine is operating the SA-8 Gecko with the more advanced... "The 9M33M3 missile greatly enhances the altitude engagement envelope to 10 – 12,000 m, and as such are also able to fly further (about 15 km/9 miles) but the system is not able to engage targets at longer ranges, due to other factors such as the radar tracking of the missiles." This quote taken from the last ref. on weapon performance. And will be soon operating the UK Starstreak MANPAD.

Hopefully in timeline order (It is now) as posted by the ref.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._airspace.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...e_systems.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...rn_europe.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._the_past.html

That should catch it up from my last post.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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New Weapon system Porn

https://youtu.be/10g3PtrhN1Y

That does pretty much what the switchblades added to three of the OOB's will do

( and pretty much ( sort of.....) what the Israelis have been able to do for 40 years )

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Alright S-300 systems the Ukraine has or will have by tomorrow.

Ukraine has operated the S-300PMU which is a 2nd GEN improved model equivalent to the SOVIET/Russian S-300PS/SA-10B and made available in 1989.
Russia and the Ukraine are the only operators of this system.

Slovakia (Not Slovenia as I earlier posted.) operate the more advanced S-300PMU-1 the big difference here is in the radar tracking system. From Ref. 2 ...
"The SA-10D, later redesignated SA-20 Gargoyle, was subjected to what Russian sources describe as a deep modernization with design changes to most key components of the system. The aim was to improve its basic capabilities as a SAM, extend radar and engagement footprints, increase the level of automation in the system, and introduce an anti-ballistic missile capability against ballistic missiles with re-entry speeds of up to 2.8 km/sec. It is intended to engage combat aircraft at all altitudes, cruise missiles and tactical ballistic missiles, making it an equivalent to the PAC-1 and PAC-2 Patriot variants."

Operators of both systems from both refs:
The S-300PMU is in service with Russia and Ukraine. The improved S-300PMU-1 has been exported to China, Greece, Slovakia and Vietnam.
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/s300_pmu.htm
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Grumb...mozTocId106894
(Missile weapons chart sorted by system near bottom above S-300P/S-400 tech data section.
ALSO NOTE SLOVAKIAN SYSTEM above Almaz S-300PMU / SA-10B/C Grumble B/C launcher system section.

So, Ukraine now operates both systems.

Regards,
Pat
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Day in an day out I never stop adding new equipment to that OOB

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I feel you REALLY understand why I shifted back to "my" thread starters. I'm just trying really hard to only post what I know they have from as many reliable sources my brain can handle at this time.

I remember very early on someone posted that the Ukraine got the DANA M2 8x8 SPAA system. Well, that's partially true for test and evaluation just before the war if they received if at all maybe handful of them. I can confirm DENMARK got them last year I believe and it ain't the old DANA. If interested let me know, I'll post it in the appropriate thread if taken for action.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._howitzer.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe..._howitzer.html

War is Hell and as I came across a post that thrilled me to death, like all wars they come at a cost. It appears the fallout from this one has occurred.

Just an add on about S-300PMU-1 I'm a deep miner. :D
https://worldnewsera.com/automobile/...is-on-its-way/
Para 13 discusses the overall artillery situation about foreign artillery options for the Ukraine. Not in this but my files the Polish KRAB K-9 was also considered in 2020. Good info throughout concerning German situation and POTENTIAL sales about two paras above this one I think was.

Regards,
Pat
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https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/0...re-hit-russia/


Maybe true......... maybe not


https://www.republicworld.com/world-...ticleshow.html

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I'm not buying it.

The timeline just doesn't quite fit from when they got into country to have gotten all the way to Eastern Ukraine in, like a day, I'm not so sure about that being reality.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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I can confirm now that the Ukraine is now operating these and that the Czech Republic OOB needs it added START JAN 2018.
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/dana.htm
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/dana_m1_cz.htm
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

WITH MY HEAD "BOBBING", I somehow managed to do separate posts and the one with the least amount of info was this one.

Ukraine was conducting an evaluation of the DANA M1 CZ for a few months before the war. The DANA M1 CZ went service on JAN 2018 with the Czech Republic.

The Ukrainians put the DANA M1 CZ into service this month along with additional units also shipped in from the Czech Republic. Ukraine START APR 2022.

I understand this might get in this cycle; I'll get it done on my end.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Simply a most interesting article and I have to admit the performance of the Ukrainian Kvitnyk laser-guided shells have exceeded my expectations and I suspect some of the Western militaries as well. Some of the videos I've seen certainly and literally made me say WHhaat!?! Anyway, a good read.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...16eacdf818ddc1
https://ukroboronprom.com.ua/en/product/kvitnik
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=3327c09140fd
(Watch the video and as this article indicates at the 38s mark, you'll see the laser "sparkle" drop on target center screen.)

Regards,
Pat
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Not saying I believe anything this guy has posted or even claims, but now according to his reports we, the US, have given the Ukrainians M270 MRLS along with all the other stuff.

https://medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x/uk...2-885784cdc601

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Highly unlikely that the Ukraine either has or will have the M270 MRLS/or M142 HIMARS or both.

For one by law, they have to be reported and still approved for foreign sales by the State Dept. before POTUS approves the sale. He's not going to risk any "political capital" at a time when Congress as of yesterday just took up what I believe will be the largest weapons package to date that the President has thus far asked approval for. He has bi-partisan support for this bill which will put us at ~4.2 billion dollars since the war started.

Also, you need to realize 1. There's been no discussion on that equipment with exception that President Zelinsky had just asked about these weapons maybe a week ago.

Well I can ensure any reader that there's NO WAY we can "dumb down" those systems in a week, ship them and have them trained on these platforms.

I believe Mr. Cooper has overestimated our capabilities.

Here's what I think they'll receive and it's hot off the wire from yesterday. TAIWAN will be receiving the M1A2T (The 1st tanks we've sent them in 25-30yrs.) (Along with this tank we also entered the M1A2P with both in their respective OOB's. The Australian M1A2A however at this time is not in the OOB because their MOD has stated it won't reach IOC until sometime in 2025.) but also slated for delivery was the PALIDAN M109A6.

That however isn't going to happen at this time though I suspect we might send them possibly the M777A2 as a consolation prize. Those M109A6 will be "dumbed down" though how many are ready to be shipped based on delivery dates that were set for Taiwan is unknown.

The article does mention production line issues so this could mean we need to replenish our own equipment, or the Ukraine will be receiving more M777 pieces as another option.

"The first eight howitzers for Taiwan were scheduled for delivery in 2023, 16 in 2024, and the last 16 in 2025. These howitzers form part of the first arms package for Taiwan to be approved by the Biden administration since it assumed power in January 2021."

Here's the read...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...sian_army.html

NETHERLAND confirms...
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

NORWAY will send ...
The M109A3GN 155mm (Updated version from the German M109A3G.) which was in the process to come out of service this year or just did this past year. The Netherlands will retain the more highly updated M109A3GNM 155mm (14) (For now.) and newer K9 155mm (24).

Based on the following looks like we'll be doing our training of the Ukrainians in Germany ...
But first, "These efforts build on the initial artillery training that Ukraine's forces already have received elsewhere and also includes..."

Translation, they're using our M777.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...in_germany.htm

Regards,
Pat
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Let me know when one is actually seen in Ukraine

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...o_ukraine.html

Denmark plans to donate Piranha III 8x8

No word on when but within a year the UKrainian OOB is going to be a dogs breakfast of military equipment

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Pat.......WTF is a M177 ?

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All now fixed in my last post as M777.

Tracking all of this, thank God at least these systems use basically the same ammo-generally.

Sorry for error.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Ya had me confused with that 177. Thinking I missed something earlier

but of course....... M777 IS what's in the OOB along with its own Icon

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Well, there was an XM-177 (or CAR-15), but I doubt sending Vietnam era carbines would be of any help to Ukraine...:P

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Do they still function? If they do, then they are weapons to put into the fight, so they would get used. At this point Ukraine can't be choosey about what they get, they are begging for help.

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I think Ukraine is in dire need of big guns and AT weapons, small arms are probably better than nothing but will not change things much.

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Alright, a little background before the story. The U.S. M777 155mm made "heads turn" when it was fielded. It was arguably one of or the lightest field howitzer in the world being highly mobile giving it a "shoot and scoot" capability with a very high rate of fire.

So that remains unchanged today but, that was the M777 that shot conventional artillery rounds.

So, while the EXCALIBUR precision munition was starting evaluation and testing the U.S. fielded the M777A1. The difference (Main) was it mounted a digital FCS vice an optical one. It would only be fielded for no more than 3 years.

EXCALIBUR was coming online so the M77A1 had to be modernized too the M777A2 by conversion and production of new systems.

The M777A2 had a modernized version of the digital FCS that added the software that the GPS guided EXCALIBUR needed to be fired. There's more to than this, but it's important for accuracy to "know where you are" the rest I'll leave to you to figure out, but EXCALIBUR and similar advanced munitions have a very, very, very small CEP.
https://www.military-today.com/artillery/m777.htm

So, can you guess who now operates the M777A2 with EXCALIBUR?

Ukraine, I submitted this weapon (M777A2 w/EXCALIBUR) for Australia, and they were the first export customer to receive
it. And it appears so did CANADA which is sending more (And for Don, we're replacing them with new ones.)

I've always pointed out that nomenclature is important when it comes to equipment. A prime example is the F-104D added to the USA OOB. Because it was the first version to carry the weapons it is equipped with in the game and the type in the "real world".

Also, the game has advanced as well since I submitted M777A2 to the USA/Australia OOB's. We debated the EXCALIBUR principle, and I got the name. Which was fine then as now.

Point is now we have an operational NLOS and I would very respectfully suggest what really is the difference now?

Except a whole lot of work. So there's the rub.

But if the day should come, ever the optimist, I'll keep submitting the proper nomenclature and be factually correct and see where the game might be down the road.

To be clear not everyone got the M777A2, I'm sure INDIA only received the M777.

Gotta requal on my weapons in the morning so I'm going to enjoy the rest of the night and check my PELTOR noise cancelling range headphones (Wished I had them years before I got them. Such a difference.) and look forward to a bonus night home.

Regards,
Pat
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Andy and I have exchanged some ideas on this and we will explore it further in the coming months but we really need a break for a while.

This started out as an idea to apply to advanced SPA systems but may apply to arty like the M77A2

What I need to investigate is if these systems using GPS targeting have the ability to fire at a target, scoot to a new firing position, set up and range on that exact same target with no delay after stopping. Related to that is the time it takes to set up an M777 in a new position

What this could mean is with a simple entry of 100 to arty FC , like SPAA gets radar, that would give Arty GPS targeting which in game terms would mean that guns with that rating would not lose the Barrage target lock they do now when they move. If they had fired once they get to the new location they would be able to pick up the targets they had locked in before they moved

The AI with those weapons systems would be given a much shorter countdown when picking new targets

As I said it's a WIP ( but not so much right now............)


What was most interesting in that MT article was

1/ Canada was the first nation to employ the M777 in combat ( news to me...)

and

2/ "most of the damage inflicted on the Taliban was reportedly caused by only two guns."

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And related to that

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...zers-wd5jvthll

and.........

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...=705954e36710n

https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1652174296

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https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/44233

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/2s43_malva.htm

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This nice icon is great :up:

2S22 is know by nickname Bogdana

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/bogdana.htm

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"The M777 requires three minutes to emplace, and two to three minutes to displace. The maximum rate of fire for the M777 is 4 rounds per minute for up to 2 minutes; the sustained rate of fire is 2 rounds per minute."

"Indirect fire for the M777A1 and A2 is usually aimed using the digital fire control system. It provides rapid and accurate ballistic computation, navigation, pointing, and self-location capabilities, which allows the M777A1/A2 to perform effective fire missions rapidly, reducing the amount of time it must be emplaced in a given location. "

Using "military" GPS you're talking about a 2-3 seconds or less for target reacquisition time provided the target is still being "lased" and for the piece to reposition itself. So, assume 3 minutes to displace/+ ~2-3 minutes to move at least 100 meters or more based on terrain/+ 3 minutes to emplace.

So about 8-9 minutes. Real world we'd be using Counter Battery Jamming equipment, so you might not have to move right away, which the player can also chose to do with them on the map. And off map doesn't "shoot and scoot" anyway.

Again, from and in paras 14 & 15 ...
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/m777.htm

I'll see if I can find something from the army side.

It is worth noting...
"A crew of 8 is required to operate the M777 normally. It can also be operated by as few as 5 men in an emergency, but with a significantly reduced rate of fire. Some publications have stated that the ability of the M777 to be fired by only 5 personnel is unprecedented for a 155 mm howitzer, but the preceding M198 could also be operated as such. "

I'm hopefully going to relax the rest of this evening and enjoy my bonus night with you know who after of course a relaxing walk.

Regards,
Pat
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WW2 25 pounder

I know the background to that story and the crew ( Canadian ) was very motivated to set the record

Now that was a much smaller shell but 12-17 rounds per gun is a lot of hurt especially when you consider that a commonwealth FOO had the power to order a fire mission barrages beyond army level

Just saying... different time, different guns but as the adage goes "artillery conquers infantry occupies"

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\

Thanks and 4940 is perfect for the Russian 2S43 Malva

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Besides the fact that the Pentagon confirmed last week early that at least 80% of the M777A2 155mm WE sent them are in Ukrainian hands.

Also, on the news earlier tonight I briefly saw a Ukrainian crew firing their M77A2 155mm.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...75513249ba2db6
(Article carried by MSN and Written by FORBES.)

About HIMARS/THAAD it is nothing more than an item on the Ukrainian wish list.

But there will be doubters out here, so I give you the following from the 13th. Before I do this is about what our army wants and not what the Ukraine wants. Here's the title from ref. 2 "Ukraine War Validates Pursuing Very Long-Range Artillery Army Says" we're the ones that need them more.
https://defence.az/ru/news/157092/lo...issile-systems
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ays/ar-AAXeICZ
(Article carried by MSN and Written by The Drive)

Additional:
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/ht.../20220515.aspx

The irresponsible ...
We have been reenforcing our deployed troops with them and our NATO partners very recently but that's the extent of it. That is of course you want to believe these guys (I was being nice here as some other descriptors come to mind.) though the page 2 comments make me feel REALLY good to be in this Forum-THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!
https://gameruprising.to/index.php?t...ukraine.37548/

I have a Lunar Eclipse to watch with the Grandson and CINCLANTHOME!!
So have a good night!!

Moon is RED gotta go!

Regards,
Pat
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So, in plain English have we (the US) or have we not given them MLRS? I ask because another gaming forum says yes, yet the other articles don't say yes for the US but that Poland and Czech have, so which is it?

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No we have not given them (HIMARS/THAAD/M270 MLRS) to the Ukrainians NOR can those countries that have them give them to the Ukraine WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION. NATO countries have given them GRADs and other similar Soviet/Russian MLRS equipment that the Ukraine already operates.

Case in point: Denmark had to be given permission from Germany before they could send their PHZ 2000 SPA to the Ukraine which was given and are in country or will be by this week. Also, you may have seen that Germany is already training crews to operate the 7 units they're sending.

As my main refs have indicated, we are taking what's happening in the Ukraine onboard in realizing that we need more of those weapons not only to counter Russia but China as well.

You will EASILY find that NO MANIFEST of weapons we've sent even indicates that HIMARS or THAAD has been shipped to the Ukraine.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/prod...and%20national
https://thehill.com/policy/internati...ines-military/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...e-for-ukraine/
(The longer-range artillery system is the M777A2.)
https://www.defense.gov/News/Release...ce-to-ukraine/

I believe my work is done here for now.

You can put those "game sites" in the same can I put the "irresponsible" labeled one from my last post.

The Lunar Eclipse was awesome and the company unsurpassed. :)

Regards,
Pat
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I had the unit in my master but I have now re-nationalized it.... JUST IN CASE things change ( again )

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Hunting for 155mm M777A2 howitzers already started here Russian movie from drone. That must be very valuable asset for Ukrainians.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1526859578662608897

Russians uses KUB-BLA their own loitering munition https://www.thenationalnews.com/worl...ed-in-ukraine/

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Looks like my June 2022 estimate for the Ukrainian PzH 2000 was pessimistic by a couple of weeks. Reports are saying they are in use now and some suggest there *May* be over 100 of them delivered ( eventually...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TApSej8Meic

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Also suggested is that the few 2S35 Koalitsiya the Russians have are based on the T-90 chassis not the Armata and this proves to be a valid point and the wheels are the clue

Armata
https://www.19fortyfive.com/wp-conte...rmata-Tank.jpg

T-90m

https://nationalinterest.org/sites/d...ade_558-22.jpg

2S35 Koalitsiya

https://www.janes.com/images/default...rsn=8997e5a5_2

Armata has 7 solid wheels--no indents, T90 6 wheels with 6 indents per wheel

Original info suggested this was to be built on the T-14 but it appears not or there just where not enough T-14 chassis to fill the order so the early versions are hybrids........ time will tell but I will "adjust" the Icon
https://forum.shrapnelgames.com/atta...1&d=1652964574

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US Army's Directed Energy Maneuver Short Range Air Defense system (or DE M-SHORAD for short)

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I'm just wondering how battlefield lasers could be handled within the game; you would need special code to handle them; as they'd have different effect levels:

Anti Drone/Mortar/Rocket (50 kW)
Anti-Artillery (150kW)
Anti-Aircraft (300 kW)

i.e. an anti drone 50 kW laser wouldn't be capable of defeating incoming artillery or enemy aircraft; etc

But all three would be able to operate in "blinding" mode -- i.e. be able to degrade a target's FCS -- it's been 30 years since Desert Storm and 25~ since the Chinese/Russians permanently blinded a helicopter pilot; so I'd imagine all modern FCS have anti-laser blocks built in now...

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Mark you would be correct about the anti-lasing tech on FCS and more. Like a radio wave it has a frequency range, pulse rate etc. and like a radio wave if you figure out the above (And more.) you can jam it or interrupt the signal. The Russian Shtora-1 system for example, employs its own laser across the frequency spectrum to disrupt the same from an incoming ATGW.
https://defense-update.com/20051012_shtora-1.html
https://bklein.ece.gatech.edu/laser-...-light-source/

This is like the "classic" battle between people buying radar detectors and the police developing radars that can defeat them so the driver will get that speeding ticket.

I used the Shtora-1 to illustrate how long this has been going on even previous to it. So, using a ATGW of a different sort, the STRIX which uses a multi band radar along with a "backup" optical targeting device.

With lasers we're talking frequency shifts in nano seconds. The targeting against things like FCS in the "space of time" is a newer area in use of lasers to defeat those systems however, like the police, counters are in place against that.

You don't need a war to figure that out. The advanced countries and based on their technologies are all developing offensive counter measures while at the same time developing defensive ones at the same time. That's just simple R&D.

We are seeing this in the practical sense now with the JAVELIN and others versus some of the Russian protection systems.

I've seen the video on mainstream news of this concerning one of Russia's most advanced jets, you judge for yourselves who's winning the technology war.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...ards-uk-2022-5
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...strike-fighter
(And several have been shot down.)

I would have to think this would be a tall order to get this to work in the game. Also, nobody yet has successfully fielded a practical system yet and for us the USN is further along than the rest I believe. I also believe those systems at this time and into the near future would have a hard time against multiply targets.

"Don Sherlock Holmes" that was a fine piece of detective work!

Regards,
Pat
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Well, it appears the M777A2 artillery systems we sent DID NOT COME WITH THE COMPUTER AIDED TARGETING SYSTEM. So it can't for instance fire EXCALIBUR with the precision the computer would've allowed for. But as the article notes they are getting precision fires because they're getting GPS targeting data from drones and spotters.

If we didn't send them you should understand by now nobody else did either.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...out&li=BBnbfcL

Regards,
Pat
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While we're on that topic, has anyone used the drones we added last release?

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I don't think you quite understand.

On Quora, there's a question:

"How quickly can a 10W 450nm laser blind a person or animal?"

The 50 kilowatts (kw) laser used in US army anti-drone stuff is 50,000W: or approximately 5000 times more powerful than the hypothetical 10W laser example cited above.

It doesn't matter if the optical sight used in the fire control system is coated with an anti-laser coating good against that laser; it just means it takes 50 milliseconds longer (number out of nowhere) to burn through to the internals of the system.

At that point; the best thing the optical system can do is to fail gracefully and go "dark" before the damaging laser energy can be transmitted to the crewman's eye(s).

Honestly, at this point; the best defense against laser attacks is to be moving fast enough and erratic enough that it becomes almost impossible for the laser tracker to lock onto an optical/thermal sight or vision block.

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Yes and the two times I have used it one got shot down, and the second it was useful but not gaming changing.