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It's not about cheat protection. Those 4 pretenders are totally fine afaik, it's another llamaserver bug.

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AFAIK when you switch off cheat detection, game will not try to "fix" pretenders it believes are overpowered. And it's the main risk we see now. But any buggy behaviour of the server, of course worth investigating. It's better to have flawless start for such a huge game.

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The game did not fix pretenders at all afaik. They seem to be totally gone. If they were fixed, you'd have normal pretender names [hit f4] with just magic reduced.

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I have heard back from at least one of the effected players. He reports that he has 0 holy points for recruiting and also no scales in his capital prov. This would seem to indicate that we have run into another server bug, as Zeldor describes.

An email has been submitted to Llamabeast about the issue and we are waiting to hear back now...

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OKAY. I think I know what happened. I've just restarted the game again. Fingers crossed! I think we may be breaking some records here on the total number of times a game's started.

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All seems fine this time :)

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Excellent! So, if any of you find yourselves crushed, outmaneuvered, and utterly destroyed, forward your offers of surrender and/or mewling pathetic pleas of mercy to Ironhawk, and he will anonymously forward them to us... er... I mean, to whoever is crushing you.

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So, its 4th of July weekend in the states, which means I'm not near my usual computer and thus will not be able to communicate regularly with my teammate. I don't suppose we can turn the timer off until the 6th? I'll try to do my turns as quickly as possible, but as early as turn 3 communication could become critically important.

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Happy to hear that this restart is finally working! :)

At the request of several players, I have postponed the turn host for 48hrs - I know that's inconvenient give that we are finally running, but this is the 4th of July weekend in the US. So it is legit that players will be travelling to see family or just generally be away.

Hopefully this will give everyone a chance to respond to the fact that the game is legitimately running now, too.

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Uh. Sorry it looks like I missed the game starting. Anyway, I'll be out of town until monday, I think earcaraxe still has control over my nation though and could play until then.

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Hi!

I'll be out of town for the weekend and I'm subbing for Apsophos for now too. Our current turns are sent in, and i would like a delay (after the current turn is resolved) until monday 13:00 gmt,

thanks

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It's anonymous game, you should not be posting anything that can help others guess who you are, so you should PM Ironhawk instead of posting here :) Preferably on new forums, he visits there more often, I think.

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I have both forums set up to relay PMs to my email. So, assuming I'm at a computer at all, I will see them.

Speaking of PMs, there was a request for a 24hr postponement while one or more players is away this weekend. Turn hosting postponed accordingly.

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Request came in for a 24hr postponement while a team works out some communication problems they are having.

In other news - how is the game going? I realize you cant speak about your nations particulars but im curious if there are clear leaders yet or other developments of note.

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At first, I thought - in an anonymous game, how can I gloat?

Then, I thought: anonymity means consequence free gloating! Best of all possible worlds, I can gloat and no-one can strike against me!

Our victory is assured. We are kicking *** in every way. Everyone else might as well give up. HA HA HA HA HA!

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Ironhawk:

You can set reminders to 10 or 12h, 6h is dangerous :)

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Oh sorry Z, didnt see your post here.

In response to a different player request tho I had already set it to 9h. Hopefully that is acceptable.

Side Note:
I'm going away this weekend and will not be around to postpone hosting. Just so you know ahead of time...

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I would like a 24hrs postponing, i hope ironhawk u are still here to read that. thanks

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i mean 48hrs (for the weekend). thanks.

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Do not post here, really. And try to not request extension unless really really needed. Your teammate can always play 2 turns, so ask IH to change it or just forward your new turn to him, if possible.

Ironhawk should not be requesting many extensions. It's holiday, but we have 24 player game, team game, so the goal should be to get turns in as fast as possible, especially now, at early stage.

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i think it is useful to request extensions here to infrom everyone of a possible extension, so they know what to expect, how to plan their time.
I think its a minor use, but doesnt cost me anything.

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I also would like to join the request to pause the game over weekend, my team has some serious issues to work out.

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1) It doesn't help us plan, b/c unless Ironhawk sees it, nothing will happen.
2) If Ironhawk *does* see your request, he will post to this thread announcing any extension.
3) Depending on circumstances, we're likely able to guess who you are!

Now, personally, I don't really *care* about anonymity in this game. But the rules are that we should attempt to preserve it, so.... do so!

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Ok, hosting seems to be postponed. It looks like we have time to resolve some severe problems that appeared and continue without more delays.

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I'm back now and looking at the queue of requests...

It appears that llamabeast paused the game at someone's request. So that should solve the pause requests.

There has been another request made about a bug which has impacted one player's game. It may require some tricks to resolve it or, as a last resort, a rollback. Tho personally I very much dislike rollbacks and would prefer to just continue. I will let you know how it goes.

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Arghhh! No rollbacks!

Especially in a game of this size, with teams. Whatever it is, it isn't a bug it's a feature.

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Yeah, we should try to avoid any rollbacks, everyone knows they are evil.

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Quick! Modify the specification at the root of the thread to specify no-rollbacks.

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My partner quit after playing 2 or 3 turns of the possible 12. I'm trying hard, but so far havent found a replacement. If u know anyone who might be interested please inform me or get him to PM me.

I strongly do not intend to play any more turns with my expartner's team.

thanks

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I can't receive my turn files, requesting resend didn't help me. What's going on?

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earcaraxe, PM me here or on the other forum. I may help if the pace isn't too fast.

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Two out of three of the teams having player problems are more or less fixed. But one is still having trouble. To that end I am forced to postpone for 24hrs while I consult with Llamabeast again.

I apologize for the delay guys - but the truth is that I have NO WAY of knowing which nation is which in the email change list. So if those nations need to be changed I must rely on llama, who has a busy schedule.

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All hail Llamabeast, master of the server!

Llama has fixed Prepo so that I can now properly set players emails without playing a guessing game. So we shouldnt need to bother him any more. All remaining player issues have been resolved, for better or worse. Game should be proceeding smoothly now.

That said - I am going away for the weekend again. Hopefully no one has a freak out like last time? Just in case, I have given Sheap the password to the admin page. If its an emergency, you'll need to get in touch with him. But please be responsible - Sheap was very generous to watch the game at all so make every effort to get your turns in on time and handle problems on your own.

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I'm making a request to switch to 48 hour turns now that the game has quite obviously passed the initial expansion stage for many players and teams.

Would anyone else also prefer to switch to 48 hours turns from now on? Particularly those who have a team-mate with a five hour time difference, which can make regular communication during turns a very tricky affair at times :(

Especially as when we do manage to get together on IRC, one of us is usually drunk :cheers:

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I'd prefer 36h, but I won't object to 48h. It's up to Ironhawk though.

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I agree with Calahan and support his 48h hosting request.

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In response to requests from several teams to slow the game timer, I have now set the host interval to:

36hr hosting, with a 12hr warning email

I know that some people wanted 48hrs, but I feel it is too early in the game to warrant that. Try to play with 36hrs first and ask for delays if you need them.

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One team is away this weekend (the 30th) and has asked for a 24hr delay. So 24hrs time has been added.

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Maerlande voiced his opinions that lifting 'anonymous' tag from this game could be a good idea. With diplo still not allowed.

So voice your opinions here :) Pretty much 1 voice for 'no' makes it fail.

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No.

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So we are done :P

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whatever for me. i dont have any intention to cheat, since it would take away the gain from a victory or any kind of succes i might achieve. but i understand there might be people here who would have other preferences.

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Calahan said no, so there is no point in voting any more. I just felt like raising it. Some stronger teams, like DrP + Calahan want to stay anonymous, for many obvious reasons. I know who they are though :P At least I hope so.

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I suspect who they are. :)

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I've been eliminating possibilities one-by-one. Once I figure out who I am, victory is assured!

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Just to let you all know, I'm leaving tomorrow (wednesday) for a festival and wont have internet access until I return on Sunday night. Sheap has out of the kindness of his heart, once again, offered to be temp admin for that time.

Please do not hassle him unless you have a very good reason.

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So Yomi is the first nation to lose their cap, really interesting and a bit unexpected.

Just a reminder - any identity can be revealed only when whole team is dead.

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Come on Zeldor, everyone knows you're Yomi, cut it out...

Btw, who won Prepo 1?

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No one officially, but pretty much QM + Micah [MA + LA Caelum]

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Hello all, I'm back. Apparently everyone waited to have troubles till I returned because I received requests to delay from 3 teams. So I am adding 24hrs to the timer while they work their issues out...