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Juffos hasn't been on IRC as much as usual lately. this is frustrating. COME BACK! lol.

and stop turtling. beware of Juffos everyone. he's a known turtler

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Oh noe! AN down...:p

I wonder who are the geniuses that are actually *helping* TC..?
Was it 4 nations TC?

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you folks are bloody idiots...

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Well, that's about it for old Ermor. It seems my AN got dispeled again after I alchemized everything to cast it the second time.

I sincerely hope nobody was dumb enough to give TC pearls this time around...

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Wow that's a... surprising turn of events. Chinese people are resourceful indeed. We'll make a really big funeral for them.
Or not, seeing how fast did Ermor go down. Good thing we don't need a funeral ourselves.

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Welp, thats how it is when you cast Arcane Nexus. Either it gets dispelled directly and you loose or people fail to dispel it in time and the next cast is unbeatable and it is chayot apocalypse for everyone. I was working from the assumption that you got pearls from Pan, Oceania and Caelum and that you made somewhere between 80-200 pearls from the nexus every turn. As such I could not afford to not dispel it on turn one and neither could anyone else.

And as for four people... Well, four people offered sympathetic words. Three of them also promised pearls and two people delivered on those promises. (Abyssia!!!) But the great majority (80%) of the pearls were mine. And I had to alchemize quite a bit myself and had to overcast the dispels to guarantee success. Not cheap!

Also, your alliance is not half as doomed as you make it up to be. I would never consider a nation with a wisher and the village of strange men to be harmless. And both Oceania and Caelum have individually more thugs than I do. Both combined have three times the number of thugs that I do and thats considering I cant see parts of Oceania. Oceania got all the water queens, a Cyclops and at least 3 commander tarts that I can see. Not counting the one I killed. Oceania alone would be pretty scary if he was not frozen down under. It fit the name of his pretender though.

As a final note. Executor. Did you really intend for that big scary communion to cast returning? Were did they return to? Wasn't that their home castle?

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Nope, I cast the AN alone, tho that's not a bad idea, I'll have to run it by Caelum and Ocean. :)
As for those sympathetic people, consider yourselves in war with Ermor. If I manage to get the AN up again by some chance I'm gonna armageddon and BoT your arses for allying with TC.

Well, given the fact that you have more gems that the 3 of us combined I wouldn't say we have much of a chance against you. The part where some of the nations are helping you isn't accommodating either.
* A logical move would have been to leave my AN until I managed to do some damage to TC and perhaps even push him back, leave the two of us to waste resources against one another, and than either dispel it or gank me, but flat out helping a nation that is 3 times stronger than everyone and on a fast lane to a win is kinda silly to me. *

Oh, btw TC has a bigger gem income than I do even with the AN, soooo???

Those nations must be very gullible if all it takes is for you to say that I have the alt site for them to donate gems. :)
Quick everyone, TC has the ultimate gateway and the summoning circle! :p

And as for that final note, Ermorian theurgs are laughably pathetic and a dozen of them are neither big or scary, and can hardly form a useful communion. And besides, you took out larger communions with just one rain of stones, and I can't even protect them effectively, so given the fact I had no idea with what you were storming since you changes troops two times I decided to save them mages. And no that was not my captial obviously.

By the way, did you by any chance cast raven feast on my capital after that ritual?
The carrion reanimation spell didn't work properly, there were about 600 corpses in my cap so I cast 5 carrion reanimations, but I only got 100 soulless, and strangely enough there are still some corpses in my cap.
But than again either all my rituals or the raven feast would go first due to casting order and monster ID right? So what went wrong?
I know the corpses should stay for the spells since I used to cast tidal waves, or black death with a remote attack on capitals and than cast carrion reanimation on them to breach castle walls in one turn.

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Are you sure you did not get pearls from frozen? Then were did he get all those artifacts? His SC are littered with them and he himself claims that he has not researched const 8 yet. Don't tell me you gave them to him without getting anything in return!?! In retrospect, I might have horribly overcast those dispels.

Also, I thought returning mages would go to the castle you built them in? There is a home province tag after all. Oh well. You learn something new every day.

And I did cast raven feast on your capitol. I thought it was underwhelming that I only got 7 death gems out of it though.

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I gave Frozen the aegis only, I think, asked for nothing in return. I have nobody to put it on so better to give him the aegis, it's still your troops getting killed right?

Hmm, that's rather strange, why did I get the soulless than if you cast raven fest after all? It should have used up all the corpses in the province.

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Rituals are cast in turn order depending on unit number. I think. If you only got 100 soulless then you got one guy with lower unit nr than my caster. And the rest had higher nr. Its to bad it is not possible to check your units numbers yourself that I know of.

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I always though that monster ID was used for that (shift+i on a monster name), and the monster get IDs randomly chosen from front or back every turn.

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monster id has nothing to do with it. it is all unit id

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I have to go away next week, and am trying to arrange a temp sub. Please let me know if anybody knows someone who could do a couple of turns.

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Our admin staled. A bit worrying.

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he hasnt been on irc for days. we may need to contact llamabeast

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What do people think about pausing the game till we figure out the fate of Juffos?

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ok, i have the admin password, so i will try and make sure ulm doesnt stale anymore. someone on irc should solicite for a sub. my computer is being reparied, so i am using a friends computer and i dont have IRC access. I will post a sub thread too

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well calahan and quitti have spied him on irc, but he hasnt responded to them. i'll give them another day or so. i think stagger lee is out of town anyways atm. if he hasnt shown up/a sub hasnt shown by the weekend we will have to start considering AI, or perhaps we can convince players who have been defeated already to rejoin the game

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ok, ulm has submitted a turn for this game, so i guess he must be back or something.Since agartha's turn is still out, i'm guessing he is still away like he said he would be so i will keep extending for him then send in my own turn when stagger gets back.

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Yeah, just saw Ulm submitted a turn, and I was like "WTF?". It would be nice if he let us know what was going on.

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I'm back now. Looks like 1 stale. Could have been worse. Game on!

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heh, yeah my bad. i staled too. i blame Shogun2 Total War

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What do you think of adding 24hr to the hosting schedule?

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i dont really care either way. do you need it?

Edit: With 1h left till hosting and ermor and ulm still out i have extended hosting for 8hours. i'll check again later tonight and hassle executor if he gets on irc. if ulm stales again, i will just take the nation off of juffos's hands and give it to lolomo i think

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What? Stale? Never, I have an AN to cast of course!

Kinda of a stupid question, but what the hell is everybody waiting for exactly?
Bandar Log? Abysia? Don't you think it's about time you're joined against TC, otherwise we might as well call this game, I rather not waste my time pointlessly if you're just gonna sit there.

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ok, exec's turn is in. it looks like ulm isnt going to be sending a turn in, so i have sent lolomo a pm since he said he would sub. i will extend the turn for at least a day for him

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Hi all, I'm taking over Ulm in place of Juffos until he gets back. I know I'm at war against Agartha. If you have any existing agreements with Ulm, please PM me.

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I need two more hours on this turn.

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executor i have saved you from a stale. thank me

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Thank you O gracious admin for postponing the game after I already sent my turn in. ;)

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... And the mighty Fishes are free to roam the land again!

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A riddle,
It frightens everyone, one turn it's there, the next it's gone. What is it?

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Arcane Nexus?

I can think of some other answers too...

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Yes! And up it goes again! Cheers TC.

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Well Calahan has pointed out that infernal disease is free in CBM 1.7. Perhaps you should stop casting it Noobliss. I'm kinda sad to see that you kept on spamming it when it was obviously a bug.

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I can send you, say, 100 blood slaves if you promise not to use them, to compensate, or otherwase waste them if you can find some easy way.

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I could really use 100 blood slaves. Don't really want to be spammed with disease demons though :).

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Stripping me of one of the strongest Blood magic 'selling points' would be unfair, wouldnt it. Especially now that bloodmagic thugs are made obsolete by cheap Shishis, Zmei etc.

Let's find some way for me to compensate for these free disease demons; easiest way would be to dump them to somebody with no access to blood magic, and who isnt going to diversify into it anyway, like underwater Oceania. My blood income allows me to spam non-free disease demons just the same, trust me. :)
Or, I could send scouts with bloodslaves to attack somebody. This requires me to hire mass scouts though.

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mainly i think it was unethical of you to not point it out at all and abuse it very much especially early on against mictlan when the cost could have been an issue.

i dont know what the best way to deal with it is though. one person said on irc that they had the caster send the slaves to the victim of the attacks in one of their 1.7 games. The spell is supposed to cost 7 blood slaves in 1.7, so you would be without a very large amount of slaves at this point. I'd say that either you stop casting it, or start sending blood slaves to TC as you cast the spell.

alternatively, you can send them to me if you wont send them to tc, but i can make minor use of them just so you know.

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There are many things in Dominions I consider unethical - like sending absurd amount of gems to other players, or using these absurd amounts of gems. But I didnt notice this bug immediately, and even then - I have only 'spammed' it in a relatively late phase when cost wouldnt be a problem for me.
Anyway, we'll sort it out somehow, starting next turn. Sending blood slaves to my enemy is out of question; I'll probably stick to suiciding them into some PD.

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well i assume your refering to the nexus? well thats your opinion i guess, but thats not even close to relevent. you were blatantly and knowingly taking advantage of a bug in a mod. If you had mentioned it when you noticed i wouldn't have minded at all, but you didnt and continued to abuse it.

but its in the past. i hope i can trust you to get rid of a *significant* amount of slaves to make up for all the free ones you've had.

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I say abuse the damn bug, we all do it, Priesty is just getting all judgmental on you and stuff, powah mad I say...

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Well thats your opinion I guess. :)

I will suicide enough slaves to make it up for some happy demon-spamming, dont you worry.

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are you seriously going to compare them? one is questionable diplomacy. the other is abusing a ****ing bug. do you really think thats at all similar? thats.... really really dumb. to say the least.

a better comparison is like copying bogus orders. there is a clear standard that ingame ethics are up the the game creater, but taking advantages of bugs in the game itself is never allowed.

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Questionable diplomacy can break the game in a much, much worse way than one or MAYBE two turns worth of blood hunting.
And it does, quite often. This time it's ok though, since its a game about drama, isnt it?
Kek.

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Diplomacy is anything goes. If you can get another (potentially) rational agent to agree to do something for you, its fair. Its not broken, its working as intended.

Someone agrees to do something stupid, well, so they're stupid. Might as well call pretender design broken because someone will put an F4A9N4B4 bless on EA Mictlan. Lets call scripting broken too because someone will group their communion in one place and then have a master cast Phoenix Pyre and proceed to get a slave killed by over fatiguing it. (Hilarity results)

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/care

There are many ways to break the game.

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...whatisthisidon'teven...

People being bad or stupid is not 'breaking the game'.

Diplomacy is an activity you can be good or bad at. Being bad at it is not game breaking, it is simply being bad.

Similarly, being bad at the mechanics of the game such that you die by turn 12 is not game breaking. Its just being bad.

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Drama! The game is living up to it's name again!

Please continue. /me cracks open a beer

When you get 700 gems for free, you get an unfair advantage. When you win by using the resources of several other nations (willingly heloing you), its an unfair advantage. I dont give a damn if you get an unfair advantage by coercing some guillible fool or by hacking the .2h file.
And yes, it's Drama. So I dont mind if somebody else SUDDENLY casts a +999 gift of natures bounty while we are at it. :) I just laugh when somebody tries to makes me feel guilty when I know what I know. )))))

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You seem to be unable to grasp the fact that diplomacy and manipulation are parts of this game, while hacking/abusing bugs isn't. If you coerce some idiot to give you free gems, good for you. If you hack/abuse bugs, you are breaking the game rules.