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Well later that morning I went back and checked the South Korean OOB and of course the F-15K was in there, when I don't know and it doesn't matter now. I believe the info will at least support a "CHANGE" in the VISION & EW rating. What's sad is that I've not submitted anything formally in a "PP" in over 2.5 years (Except the Mig-29 issue of last year.).
Don sorry if I sent you on a "wild goose chase" concerning the F-15K. Regards, Pat |
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no problem, i won't be starting work on the oobs for a month or more
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Don't get too excited, just an update to say the work has started in earnest. Don't expect too much mostly fixes to inputs for the current patch as I submitted last year. Most of those issues were self inflicted that carried over to other items and caused confusion. You will see a minor format change this year due to the nature of the errors and for the sake of time to maybe get to other equipment as I have alot to address. Fear not and remember I'm a "world traveler" when it comes to equipment. I will keep my word to a couple of folks out here and get those couple of items in as Don has already posted a response to them earlier in the year in those threads I.E. The D.H. 103 HORNET and Australian M777. I've had to focus on other non health issues (You're not going to get rid of me that easily!) over the past several months. What this thread is about is where my true passion lies to the game and where I feel an obligation to give all I can. Everywhere else I can just be a PITA! ;)
"In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing." - Theodore Roosevelt Something I look at everyday on my wall from my last command at retirement from someone I truely admire. Anyway we'll see what happens and it'll give WH Donnelly time to see if anything needs adding in the UK OOB. :D Regards, Pat |
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Patch Post #1 for 2013/2014
Well it has been another hectic year. The object here is to fix mistakes from last year from my Patch Posts on Pages 11/POST #105 (1) and 13/Post #123 (2) of this thread. Some of this was self inflicted which cast a net of confusion over some other equipment issues. Also I don’t think I’ll accomplish everything I hoped to this year but I promised I would address a couple of issues that were requested by you folks out there and they will be recognized as I get to them. For reasons of time, I will not reinvent the wheel here and will copy from the original posts. That info will be in quotations with the Thread Post noted if not from one of the above. Any items from the above refs will be indicated with either the (1) or (2) as shown above next to the original equipment item requiring action. All DEFPRO references will be removed. This will also show the importance once again in tracking equipment entered with follow up use of references in tracking said equipment to the field such as in A3 and Some Helo News below. HELOS… C1. SOUTH AFRICA/ ROOIVALK Mk I /CHANGE/UNITS 895 & 896/START DATE 4/2011 VICE 1/2006/END DATE 1/2020 VICE 11/2009/EW 8 VICE 6/REF UNIT 897/RADIO 92 FOR UNITS 189, 897 & 901 PARITY ISSUE WITHIN DATES FOR ROOIVALK AND ROOIVALK MK1// (1) ”A1. SOUTH AFRICA/ADD/APR 2011/ROOIVALK Mk I/RESET/ADD/EW 8/TI/GSR 60/FCS +Current factors// The Mk I has undergone significant changes beyond just avionics and engine upgrades that lead to the safety issues that grounded the ROOIVALK for 1 ½ years…” http://www.dod.mil.za/news/news%2020...20apr11%20.htm http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and...ivalk-block-1f http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...tional-355117/ http://www.deagel.com/news/South-Afr...000008623.aspx http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/news115257.html A1. USMC/ADD/JAN 2007/MH-47G CHINOOK/USE USA UNIT 275/RECOMMEND USING SLOT 728 DIRECTLY ABOVE THE SEAL UNITS// (1) ”A3. USA/USMC/ADD/JAN 2007/MH-47G CHINOOK/USE UNIT 293/C6/P34-50 (Depending on equip.)/Port and Starboard mounted 2xM134 7.62 mm Miniguns just aft of the cockpit & 2xM240G 7.62mm at the last set of windows Rds UKN/ADD Refueling boom to the Starbrd. Side of the nose./Based on date requested with upgrades done to this point TI/GSR 60/EW 8/FC 6/FF 6/STAB. 5 or 6//…The 160th SOAR “Night Stalkers” (Under USASOC.) of Somalia and Bin Laden raid fame provide the bulk of helo operational support to the SEALS, Green Berets and Rangers amongst others….” Please you know I have been as pro active about the slot issue as anyone to include volunteering to cull the fighters out of OOB’s that are TACAIR heavy. But in this case and the next one below I feel we do the player and AI wrong in not having these birds, they are after all the primary source and means of their operational transport in this case the SEAL’s and other specialized USMC units. Also how many times have we had to address the ALLIES option over the years? With this item we could at least use the machine gun simile on them!?! http://www.boeing.com/rotorcraft/mil...h47e/index.htm http://www.boeing.com/rotorcraft/mil...G_overview.pdf http://www.guncopter.com/mh-47g/ http://www.socom.mil/News/Pages/fina...Paircraft.aspx http://www.socom.mil/sordac/PEO/Rota...G_Chinook.aspx http://nightstalkers.americanspecial...ters/mh-47.php http://www.americanspecialops.com/ph...ranger-sov.php http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/mi...dex.php?Page=1 A2. USMC/ADD/JAN 1994-JAN 2010/MH-47E CHINOOK/USE USA UNIT 293/RECOMMEND USING SLOT 727 DIRECTLY ABOVE THE SEAL UNITS// (1) “C8. USA/MH-47/UNIT 293/Change name to MH-47E/Change End Date to JAN 2010/ADD to USMC OOB/See A3 above to include refs.//First change to simplify any future info that might cause a change to that particular helo. Second allows for the last couple of helos to be removed from service and prepped for the SLEP (RESET) Program and flight evaluations before being turned over to SOCOM…” Again for the reasons noted above and also use those refs here to. A3. MALAYSIA JUN 2013/THAILAND JUN 2015/ADD/EC 725 “SUPER” COUGAR/C5 P26/USE FRENCH UNIT 520// (1) “A4. FRANCE JAN 2005/BRAZIL JUN 2012/MAYLAYSIA JUNE 2013/INDONESIA JUN 2014/ THAILAND JUNE 2015/ADD/EC 725 “SUPER” COUGAR/C5 P26/2 x FN MAG 60-30 250/or 1000Rd “Drums”/Optional 2 x 20mm POD mounted GIAT Cannons 180Rds/or 2 x 68mm THALES/or FORGE ZEEBRUGGE 19 Rd Rocket Launchers/TI/GSR 60/EW 8/Advanced composite add on armor is available and is used by the French. Mexico (The largest or next user of the EC 725.) supposedly has it also though not in the game. Malaysia’s are being reported to being equipped in the same manner as the French versions. Adjust armor ratings as you see fit for FRANCE and MAYLASIA/USE FRENCH UNIT 516 AS BASE//Concerning Thailand they have been very good about getting the equipment they have ordered, however, there are mixed reports about whether the contract has actually been signed or not. Based on this information…” The French, Brazilian and Indonesian UNITS have a Carry 119 as opposed to 126. Is this due to weapons configuration issues? Malaysia seems to have been missed and has ordered more of these helos since last year. In regards to Thailand as noted above we had some concerns here about the contract; it was signed finally in the late spring or early summer after being delayed. I feel comfortable with this deal being good now. http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ec725/ http://www.airrecognition.com/index....sk=view&id=331 http://www.eurocopter.com/site/en/ref/Missions_174.html http://www.armyrecognition.com/laad_...1_1404116.html. http://www.airforce-technology.com/n...25-helicopters http://helihub.com/2012/12/04/royal-...twelve-ec725s/ http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...copters-04959/ http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...EC725-for-SAR- Missions-07542/ C2. USMC/CHANGE/UH-1Y/UNITS 320 & 321/HS RATING TO 3 VICE 0// (1) “C5. USMC/UH-1Y/UNITS 320 & 321/CHANGE HS to 3 vice 0 as noted above./UNIT 320 replace 50 cal M2HB with GAU-21 50 cal./UNIT 321 replace HYDRA 70 with APKWS II ASM//The CORPS was “all in” by this time with the APKWS II ASM. See refs 7-10 below concerning GAU-21 50cal with Night Sights.” As was noted in the intro this was a case of too much going on. This was paired with another similar entry originally directly above (Item C4) “C5”. The TI/GSR issue was corrected for all the UNITS involved here. The HS issue was missed in the “fog of war”, again these are all built the same in airframe and electronics. Concerning the GAU 21 it has been proven both on the range and in combat evaluations to be at least a 1/3 more accurate then the previously and now not used M2HB. Suhiir I believe has this weapon in her USMC OOB. It’s just something to consider for next year at least. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...program-03541/ http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/HD/Chronol...early/2008.htm http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/uh1y-huey/ http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...ty-helicopter/ http://somd.com/news/headlines/2006/4123.shtml http://www.thebaynet.com/news/index..../story_ID/9574 http://www.asdnews.com/news/30989/GA...with_UH-1Y.htm http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...0109-mcn01.htm http://www.militarytimes.com/news/20...gau21_010410w/ http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_50cal-M3M_MG.htm http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=11442 http://www.deagel.com/news/Upgraded-...000009578.aspx http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...d-phase-02193/ This last ref provides an outdate on the APKWS II ASM with the new Mk 152 warhead that will also be used on the HARRIER and A-10besides the USMC helos, to be fielded in 2012.Note: I believe 2013/2014 as of this writing will be better for HARRIER use will back check for next year. C3. SOUTH AFRICA/ROOIVALK/UNIT 188/CHANGE End Date to NOV 2009/DONE/YES SEE BELOW DONE// (1) “C6. SOUTH AFRICA/ROOIVALK/UNITS 189, 190 and 899 - 902/CHANGE End Date to NOV 2009.//This helo is very advanced featuring 4th Gen integrated image intensifier and FLIR systems, TopOwl sight display for integrated weapons system control.” And from the end of the Para…” The only question I have here is should the TI/GSR be improved for the above units? Also note that the last two refs deal with the Non MK I ROOIVALK.” Well a little teamwork helped here with Don understanding where I was going with this originally without me asking the question; if you will; I was asking. Huh? With time in some cases newer information comes to light or was missed in the beginning. As I’ve noted in the past this was a very, very advanced helo ahead of it’s time. Focus on 4th Gen and my original question at the end. As I said Don knew where I was heading so all the above UNITS had the TI/GSR increased to 50. Except for UNIT 190 because well, it was a empty slot!! Thanks Don!! http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...-ah2-rooivalk/ http://www.military-today.com/helico...2_rooivalk.htm NEW ITEMS… A4. IRAQ/Mi-35M/ADD/JAN 2014/USE RUSSIAN UNIT 943 with weapons variations as you see fit// A5. BRAZIL/Mi-35M/ADD/APR 2010/USE RUSSIAN UNIT 943 with weapons variations as you see fit// http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...mi-35m-hind-e/ A6. IRAQ/Mi-28NE/ADD/JAN 2014/USE RUSSIAN UNITS 370-373// These will share the refs below. This deal was in the making for about two years now and I have been tracking it since Iraq approached the U.S. about buying the APACHE AH-64D and later “rumors” surfaced of interest in the GUARDIAN AH-64E. Apparently due to the instability within Iraq and for security issues related to the technology and other factors the deal never really got done. So Iraq turned to Russia which in trying to expand it’s influence again into the Middle East. A deal was struck in 2012 and almost came apart in early 2013 amid charges of corruption. This issue was resolved early this past summer. There was articles saying the training cycle was disrupted and deliveries were started in 10/2013 and will be completed by the end of this year for 40 of the above helos. I’m holding off on the Ka-52 ALLIGATOR and PANTSIR-S1 AA Systems; until further information becomes available on delivery dates. http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_...m_0306131.html http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20131...-Contract.html http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20131...-Gunships.html http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne...0551383926479/ http://www.janes.com/article/29741/i...35-helicopters http://www.iraq-businessnews.com/201...n-helicopters/ http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56 Well that went alright…I hope!?! And no Helo issues were noted on the second Patch Post from last year. Some Helo news… Have I mentioned the importance of following up before…I guess it can get old but… From last year in the second Patch Post concerning the GUARDIAN AH-64E; Taiwan is on track as submitted. The second batch should have or shortly will arrive by this writing. http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56 http://www.army-technology.com/news/...-batch-from-us Regards, Pat December 4, 2013 |
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Don,
Concerning the IRAQI Helos (A4 & A6), there was no reported disruption in the training during the temporary breakdown of the deal as discussed. I didn't catch the wording error when I realized that Brazils OOB didn't have the Mi-35M. I could've sworn it was in the OOB when it was orginally discussed and submitted ~3 years ago and I checked it I thought as being there. Mad scramble for the ref and submission insued "before the (edit) clock ran out" on the matter. Regards, Pat |
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Don,
Clock ran out while researching the BRAZIL HIND. It's in there as properly local named AN-2 SABRA UNIT 903. However it should be upgraded and for IRAQ added using the RUSSIAN UNIT 943 as just submitted. Have articles that were posted in the HELO Thread saying Russia was going to buy and or update it's current fleet of Mi-24 HIND's based on the fact the Mi-35M was more advanced. http://airheadsfly.com/tag/russian-helicopters/feed/ http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/hind/ http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...opters-356827/ http://mymodelplanes.wordpress.com/2...ce-for-russia/ See bottom as reported by avaitionweek.com http://www.sldinfo.com/russian-air-p...nsive-buildup/ Bought 40 of them. Back to bed, new days off are throwing me off my game here. Regards, Pat |
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For my part I use:
MH-53J (01/86-09/108, 2x M134, 1x50cal) MH-47G (10/108-12/120, 2xM134, 2xM240) And added the 12.7 GAU-21 HMG (copied from Weapon#183/Canada OOB#30). |
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Don,
I'm giving you what I have on the following unit for submission with my 2nd PP now as I feel you might be in a better position to answer the ammo side of this unit and how you want to handle the TI/GSR issue. If you find more than I can on the round by time I submit the full submission all the better! If this round is ready to be fielded later (Or sooner.) this year it will have ramifications regarding the T-90AM/MS and ARMATA. Concerning the TI/GSR I see max. 45 here if that. If the T-72B4 comes to fruition we'll definitely be at TI/GSR 50 as that tank is supposed to have the full FCS of the T-90AM/MS. And yes everyone there is a T-72B1 which I stumbled upon researching this tank and the refs are tripping over themselves on in reporting the B3.-I'm not interested in it at this time as my "sketch" has been drawn for this next submission already. Still rough but good enough for this... A1. RUSSIA/ADD/OCT 2013/T-72B3/125mm SB 2A46M-5/AREANA/RELISK ERA.// The following is taken from the last ref. below Post #749… “Yeah its weird, other stupid thing is the non-automatic sight cover. Good summary of T-72B3 upgrade: -overhaul of T-72B or B1 -new autoloader(for "Svinets" APFSDS) -new 125mm 2A46M5 gun -new FCS, and new gunner main sight "Sosna-U"(same sight on T-90MS) 1A40 used as a backup -new radiostation R-168-25U-2 -commander sight TKN-3MK with "duplication" mode T-72B4 as we know will add the commanders panoramic sight (same as T-90MS) as well as battle management systems.” Pretty much falls in line with what I can find out about these tanks. The FCS is very much in line with existing T-90S models I would think with improvement of T-90MS components as noted above. Also of interest is the “Svinets” APFSDS round, seeing reports that tesdting has recently been completed and MOD is ready to field this round now. Don’t know status of this round however, I believe you might have better access in ammo sources then me generally. http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20131...ded-Tanks.html http://www.armyrecognition.com/octob...k_1510132.html http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20130...-Ministry.html http://defense-update.com/20131106_t...eployment.html http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...ar/491336.html http://www.russianarmor.info/Tanks/ARM/2a46.html http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=779&p=2 http://www.russiadefence.net/t1868p7...ces-photosnews This require a little more thought and work than anything I have in the MBT area so far. My headache I'm working through is the LAHAT issue for ARJUN MKI after reading some reports of the ARJUN MKII final trials report with only two hits one being problems firing the LAHAT from the ARJUN MKII. Now you see my concern with MKI. Regards, Pat |
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I forgot/was called away so I didn't get to post these pictures from the next to last ref. from the last post. I'm sure you'll find a use for them. T-72B3... Attachment 12800 Attachment 12801 Attachment 12802 Attachment 12803 Regards, Pat |
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Don,
Is the South African 105mm SA83 the homegrown improved version of the 105mm L7 UK73 as shown as being used by UNIT 004 OLIFANT MK1? I have as you know put off work on these units for a couple of years now. However it's time to address the issues for all the OLIFANT units in the OOB. Things I see are in dates (production vs service), main guns and system development leading to the deletion of at least one unit. Working it. I have in the meantime a better pic for your consideration for the OLIFANT MK1A as shown in Angola in early 1988. Attachment 12815 Off the grid until the next PP. Regards, Pat |
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There has already been some work done. Units 7 and 9 are gone ( renationalized so they won't show up in the game for now )
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Don,
Will assume gun question answer is a yes then. References made mention of an improved 105mm L7. Please DO NOT throw away SANDF UNIT 007 yet. Here's what I'm seeing...UNIT 008 should be renamed the OLIFANT MK2. I believe the MK2 falls more between these units (007 & 008) in armor protection. This tank took many of the systems primarily upgrades in armor and FCS from the defunct TTD tank project. No 120mm MG is in service with the SANDF. In the MBT Thread 2 or 3 years ago; South Africa hosted the International Armored show. At that time the following tanks were considered OPLOT-M, LEO 2A4 (Favored.) and the T-90S. However they couldn't overcome the economic realities to buy them or as shown last year to even keep the ROOIVALK flying for the 1.5 years it was grounded. The OLIFANT MK2B needs to be resolved against the MOD website below that shows they have the MK2B. http://www.army.mil.za/equipment/wea...ant_equipm.htm http://www.military-today.com/tanks/...monstrator.htm Regards, Pat |
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Don,
There will be a OLIFANT MK2B. I'll be using UNIT 007 as a baseline unit and have modified numbers on paper. Have a "clearer direction and map" to follow now on all the units, thanks! Regards, Pat |
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CINCLANTHOME and I saw the "Piano Man" in concert who put us both back in a "New York State of Mind" which is always a good place to be (As we used be from there.) anyway it cleared my head a bit as again like last year work and life have a way of getting ahead of you at times.
So here's my thinking...I'm running out of time so like SUN TZU says you must have a strategium in war so here's mine. 1. Sense Don (And I'm sure Andy.) need a break and the sooner I can get this final data to him the better and better means the end of the month. But I have some requests and the following also acts as an update to some degree. 2. Don here's what I request from you please and as discussed to some degree already... A. South Africa: OLIFANTS will wait until next year unless something drasically changes. Contacted Paul Mulcahy to get permission to copy his non game data about the OLIFANTS it's rock solid info (And matches mine.) and if you ever watched me type it'd drive you to drink or wishing you could put me out of my misery or both. Anyway it'd save me a ton of time right now. So again UNIT 007 I will modify to be ethier the OLIFANT MK2 or MK2B. Also for FYI that MBT represents as is now, only prototype built with the new DENAL turret. About UNIT 009 you can lock it out of play or delete it, however, transfer the Picture and Icon to UNIT 007. B. Poland: Will be getting new tanks from Germany, got it covered already. However when checking the OOB I've found issues again in brief...UNIT 020 that tank is too new and I will submit an older version that fits the time line better also the good news is they'll get it two years earlier. The current date is when deliveries were completed. About UNIT 022 and UNIT 023 I do not believe they exist. I came across one Polish forum off TankNet that one person commented UNIT 023 would be upgraded to that units level in 2016. I do not see this (Most refs concur.) if Poland has the funds they are more likely to update the 2A5 (Ooopps let the cat out of the bag!?!) to the 2A6M CAN spec. C. FINLAND: Also about done, they bought ALL the remaining LEOPARD 2A6NL tanks. Those MBT's finally got a new home. I like a happy ending. D. PROMISES: 1. First to myself, one of my very first equipment submissions fell through the cracks before I started the PP format in 2010. I will get those "Aussie" M113 mods in-easy cut and paste from older posts. Names I've forgotten but will mention thread starter and poster in PP so... 2. M777 155mm to the "Aussies" also. 3. De Havilland HORNET 2 varients for the RAF and 1 for the RN. RN version saw combat during the Malay Crisis as well and the UK had the carriers at the time. These last two as well will be similiar to #1 in workload just have to track down my posts from the threads and refs are ready to go. 4. If I've forgotten a promise made to someone else on some other piece of equipment this past year you better let me know by weeks end and point me to the Thread and Post please!! E. DFYI: Don got a little passionate about one of the STRV-122 fixes from last year. I'll to cut it down if I can but; from Fabio Prados' ARMOR SITE which a couple of my refs have cited as being one of the best on the LEOPARD 2 Series MBT, I leave you with this to see where I'll be heading with the requested changes Top Turret HEAT 10/STEEL 10... Sorry won't let me Cut/Paste. Focus on 1st sentence Para 2. Also Para 3 in full with focus on the turret. This site is one of many to also back my Polish LEOPARD stance as well. http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm I had fun today, well yesterday now, and it's good to take an extra day away from work but, I need some sleep as it's back to work later this evening. Regards, Pat |
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*IF* you happen to stumble upon any solid info on if / when the Poles are going to retire the T-72 let me know but don't turn that into a new project, it's not that important ATM.
Don |
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Don,
I believe from my refs they talk about 2016. Supposedly they'll hold on to the T-72M1 a little longer. There is debate concerning modernizing the T-72 over keeping the PT-91 TWARDY and regrets over not updating them to the PT-91M or better. If I can work it in I will, but low on my radar at the moment as well. I'll transfer that info along with the OLIFANTS to a new Word document for the 2014-2015 campaign. The plan is to place these new tanks into the frontline units to where the PT-91/T-72M (And in reserve units also for the latter.) are at the bottom. T-72 to storage or sold off. Regards, Pat |
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No worries. When they make up their minds we can change the end date in the OOB's it's really not that big a deal
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Don,
What is the difference between the Polish LEOPARD 2A4 120mm L44 WG01 main gun and the German LEOPARD 2A4 120mm L44 WG87 main gun? This will affect my Polish UNIT 020 decision at my end. I'm currently inclined to change it out with German UNIT 029 vice German UNIT 030 that the current Polish tank most resembles. But this gun issue well, just doesn't make sense. One of the other issues is the fact that like the MiG-29 that was donated, these tanks might have been as well (Or sold VERY CHEAPLY.) as compared to the other countries that bought the LEOPARD 2A4 from both Germany and the Netherlands at the end of the Cold War. Don't need an immediate answer will start on other areas of the list to finish it up. Thanks! Regards, Pat |
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Pat....... some things I understand need explaining but this one should be obvious to even a newbie
The "GUN" is the AMMO. Take a look at the sabot range and penetration data of the two. The 01 is more up to date AMMO for the GUN than the 87 that's why the Poles have newer ammo for an older model Leo.. because that's what would be available for use in that gun when they received the tanks. Don |
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Don,
First to be honest, I didn't know about the ammo issue when I asked about the gun. Just not something I keep up with in that regard. Now for an update: I just finished my last write up. All the "promises" are done- Australian M113AS4*, M777A2 155mm* and UK HORNET aircraft with four varients (2 RAF/2 RN). Poland UNIT 20 will leave alone except for date change, not enough difference between the two oldest German LEO 2A4 tanks to make a difference when I checked. The other two Polish LEO 2A4 tanks discussed I still don't believe thay have but no time to check. Lock them out, allow continued play but don't delete them. The * above indicates other outside associated issues I put into the write ups-all for next year. What's left: 1. Refs are ready but need to plug into the items requested. 2. I need to proof my work. 3. And a couple of things that I know always just seem to come up, not to worry not taking on anything else. I have to go got a call and I need a break for a bit. Regards, Pat |
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Don,
Well first off God help me, already started on the Patch Post for the 2014/2015 Campaign in two documents with items not completed for this input. Someone shoot me now!! ;) Anyway #2 for this year I think is done and just printed out so I can copy it here from "Word". Hopefully by later today if not, tomorrow. To prepare you, my only issue of concern with this input again from last year will be the STRV-122/122B HEAT TOP & STEEL. So as not to "skew" your thinking with my recommended numbers here, I'll give you the following info to independently think about this. 1. Based around submarine hatch design and what I've read in dealing with external and interior pressures a tank hatch would be designed along similiar lines. Recessed towards the center with an armor plate to flush mount and seat it to the hull. The surrounding steel would be thicker. 2. Hope my math is correct in conversion...the hatch is 20cm thick (Known) or 200mm or ~22.5 inches. The surrounding steel (Turret top in this case.) should be about double that. 3. Sweden in getting these tanks built for them specifically had the turrets built thicker. Though not specifically stated, there's enough "smoke" out there to indicate this was a direct result of the STRIX program and test results. I know the turret in general is better protected than any German Leopard 2A5. The overall top turret protection is among the best in the world from the refs, I would say at least to the standard of a late model Leopard 2A6 to 2A7+ in range. So again respectfully , I would request as you do anyway, give this some independent thought in case I've gotten myself too close to the issue. Just striving to be as accurate as possible in converting my thoughts to game numbers here. It was an exceptionally tough week at work so thank you for your patience! I really need to hit the rack!! Good Night/Morning All! Regards, Pat |
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Patch Post #2 for the 2013/2014 Campaign.
Again the object here is to fix mistakes from last year from my Patch Posts. Based on the first input already submitted, this will address MBT issues from Page 13/Post #123 of this thread. Some of this again was self inflicted which cast a net of confusion over some other equipment issues. Again I plan to deal with the promised issues that were requested by you folks out there and they will be recognized as I get to them in this input my last for the year. Again for reasons of time, I will not reinvent the wheel here and will copy from the original posts. Assume all issues come from the above Post, if I use other related Threads /or Posts they will be noted separately. All previous info will again be in quotations. Also all DEFPRO references will again be removed. This will also show the importance once again in tracking equipment entered in the game. Hopefully the STRV issue will be resolved after I caused some confusion concerning them last year. There will be some new items below as well. Let’s start… MBT’s… C1. TANZANIA/CHANGE/UNIT 023/TYPE 59G/START DATE TO OCT 2012 VICE JAN 2005// “A2. TANZANIA/ADD/OCT 2012/TYPE 59G/MG Chinese 125mm SB w/Rds UKN/12.7mm and 7.62mm w/Rds UKN// “ Is EW an issue here as well with this type system as follows? “The turret appears to be the same one that’s on the new Chinese TYPE 96G. Based on that it would appear then also it is carrying the same EW system as the TYPE 96 which is similar to the Russian Shtora-1.” Also I have some info to support submitting a new TYPE 96A to the Chinese OOB, hopefully below and as was mentioned previously. “Note: It would appear this improved version of the Chinese TYPE 96 is not in the OOB as shown in Ref. 6 below. See UNIT 026 (My update…Chinese OOB). The refs refer to “the new TYPE 96.” http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rica&Itemid=55 http://www.armyrecognition.com/decem...9g_271211.html http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type59.asp http://www.armyrecognition.com/china..._pictures.html http://www.armyrecognition.com/china...igence_uk.html C2. SWEDEN/CHANGE/UNITS 31, 356 & 358/STRV-122/HEAT TOP TO 20 VICE 16/UNITS 31, 353, 356 & 35/STRV 122 & STRV 122B/STEEL 12 VICE 8// “C2. SWEDEN/CHANGE/STRV-122/UNITS 31, 356 & 358/Change to STRV-122A/Modify per A3 above/Refs per A3 above. // Most of the STRV-122 units are to be upgraded by the end of this year.” Haven’t seen anything on this last however, I really haven’t had a chance to thus far to follow up on the STRV-122. Also for context on C2; “A3. SWEDEN/ADD/OCT 2004/STRV 122B/Use UNIT 358 and modify per below as needed// The big issue here is protection over the base German Leopard tanks that the STRV-122A and STRV-122B design modifications are derived from. First a breakdown of the STRV Series. The STRV-121 is a Leopard 2A4 as used by Germany at the time of purchase by Sweden in 1994 and 1995 they are both interchangeable.” “The STRV-122A is a “German” Leopard 2A5 but that’s where the comparison ends. The major area in armor improvement was in the top protectionfor instance the turret hatches are just over 20cm in thickness. After extensive testing the Swedes decided on a geared system for opening them at even severe angles.” Here’s what we know first from the STRIX posts, that the Swedes did extensive testing on the T-72 tanks they had and we posted videos showing some of that. It would’ve been a bad day for Russian T-72 crews but the lessons learned from that were built into the STRV-122A tanks while being built in Germany. That was a good day for Swedish crews. Again 20cm/200mm is almost 2ft thick which also means the surrounding steel is thicker as the hatch is recessed. I strongly feel that this is one of the most protected tanks out there in regards to where the top of the turret is concerned and the turret in general. All I have to offer based on the numbers and from personal experience in my submarine career dealing with our hatches in not letting water into “the people tank” at several hundreds of pounds per sq. inch and that I have not in any research for any tank seen information pointing out the thickness of and operation of the top hatch, I feel the STEEL issue might warrant further consideration. The STRV-122B was not modified with additional top protection but is correct for what should’ve been the HEAT TOP number for the STRV-122 series of tanks in general all along. http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/leo2.htm http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2019.html C3. SWEDEN/CHANGE/UNITS 31, 353, 356 & 358/STRV-122 & STRV-122B/ADD/GALIX Self Defense System with 6 HE FRAG 80mm grenades/As discussed in the Patch Thread on Posts 143-149// The STRV Series of tanks have 16 launchers, 8 to a side in a 6/2 configuration. As noted below I still have no evidence of any other country user that has weaponized their launchers. From Post 143 “Can the use of the dual purpose grenade launchers on the Swedish STRV-122/122B be activated in the last available weapons slot to fire off (In real life by the tank commander manually.) either buckshot/flechette, HE-blast or fragmentation grenades? This is a unique feature of the Gallix System dual purpose launchers installed on these tanks (And others.) which can be loaded internally.” and “As far as I can find out Sweden is the only country using those type of 80mm grenades of the ten or so that are available for use with these launchers.” What to do about the other country users will require more work. Weapons slots might prevent it in a couple as was the case with the MERKAVA and M-60T in regards to the 60mm Mortars we know they have. I will pursue this if Andy and you want me to but it’ll have to be for next year on my end. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product719.html http://www.nexter-group.com/en/produ...ponent&print=1 C4. SWEDEN/CHANGE/UNIT 358/STRV 122/END DATE TO JAN 2020 VICE DEC 2010// C5. SWEDEN/CHANGE/UNIT 359/STRV 121/END DATE TO DEC 2010 VICE JAN 2020// As noted in my last update post, this is why I proof read my work when possible, to catch what I almost missed in the two entries above. New Items: A1. RUSSIA/ADD/OCT 2013/T-72B3/125mm SB 2A46M-5/TI GSR 40-45/ARENA E APS/RELIKT ERA// The following is taken from the last ref. below Post #749… “Yeah its weird, other stupid thing is the non-automatic sight cover. Good summary of T-72B3 upgrade: -overhaul of T-72B or B1 -new autoloader(for "Svinets" APFSDS) -new 125mm 2A46M5 gun -new FCS, and new gunner main sight "Sosna-U"(same sight on T-90MS) 1A40 used as a backup -new radiostation R-168-25U-2 -commander sight TKN-3MK with "duplication" mode T-72B4 as we know will add the commanders panoramic sight (same as T-90MS) as well as battle management systems.” Pretty much falls in line with what I can find out about these tanks. The FCS is very much in line with existing T-90S models I would think with improvement of T-90MS components as noted above. Also of interest is the “Svinets” APFSDS round, seeing reports that testing has recently been completed and MOD is ready to field this round now. Don’t know status of this round however, I believe you might have better access in ammo sources then me generally. It should be pointed out that ARENA E is not effective against tank rounds but is supposed to be effective against Arty AP rounds besides RPGs and ATGM. Also this version of the T-72 is protected with RELIKT ERA which is claimed to be twice as effective as the last version of KONTAKT ERA designated KONTAKT-5 which still is in use. As a side note Russia has already developed it’s next gen ERA called KAKTUS which I believe will be used on the ARMATA MBT. http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20131...ded-Tanks.html http://www.armyrecognition.com/octob...k_1510132.html http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20130...-Ministry.html http://defense-update.com/20131106_t...eployment.html http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...ar/491336.html http://www.russianarmor.info/Tanks/ARM/2a46.html http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=779&p=2 http://www.russiadefence.net/t1868p7...ces-photosnews http://defense-update.com/products/a/arena-e.htm Pic: Attachment 12856 A2. FINLAND/ADD/JUN 2015/LEOPARD 2A6FIN/USE NETHERLANDS UNIT 037// The contract was approved on 19 JAN, I’m using the “SWAG” on the date and it should be close with deliveries starting in 2015. So after about 2 yrs. the Dutch LEOPARD 2NLA6 tanks finally have a home. As in Asia concerning China’s military build up, some countries in Europe are taking a look at their militaries as well due to the increases seen in Russia’s own increased defense spending. Finland not only bought the last of the active Dutch tanks at the time of retirement tanks (75) but, also cut into the last of their stockpiled ones (25) as well. No indications of any modifications that I can find or is hinted at. That’s what made these and the next two items so attractive to the buyer here and below, these tanks are fully modernized, well maintained and cheaper than modernizing existing stock or buying new as the refs discuss. http://www.army-technology.com/news/...rlands-4161095 http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57 http://www.janes.com/article/31818/f...opard-2a6-mbts http://www.armyrecognition.com/decem...k_2012134.html http://dalje.com/en-economy/finland-...h-tanks/495328 http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...inland-020936/ http://defense-update.com/20140119_f..._leopards.html http://www.janes.com/article/32619/f...om-netherlands A3. POLAND/ADD/APR 2014/LEOPARD 2A5/USE GERMAN UNITS 272 & 273/ORDERED 105/NOTE: THOUGH POSSIBLE I ERRED ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION IN NOT CHOOSING UNITS 274 & 275. YOUR CALL HERE// A4. POLAND/ADD/APR 2014/LEOPARD 2A4/USE GERMAN UNITS 268 & 269/ORDERED 14// Pretty much for the same reasons above for Finland, Poland is also pushing hard to modernize its military. Again some “SWAG” but this deal is sealed as well. Contracts were signed in mid 2013 with deliveries to start in 2014 and be completed by 2015. Also this should to some degree answer the question about what Poland was going to do platform wise and this could end or at a minimum delay them in seeking a “Medium” tank solution as has been discussed. The issue here in choosing the German tanks I did was based on the information from the refs themselves that indicated that the Polish MOD would NOT have to do any modernization on these tanks. I also took into account the LEOPARD 2A4 tanks ordered would be of a later mark then Poland ordered from Germany and received in 2000. I did not include the 18 Bergepanzer 2 armored recovery vehicles (ARVs) that are part of this contract as I don’t believe they serve a game purpose. C4. POLAND/CHANGE/UNIT 020/START DATE TO JUN 2000 VICE OCT 2002// http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57 http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57 http://www.janes.com/article/29260/p...s-from-germany http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...rope&Itemid=57 http://www.army-technology.com/news/...-tanks-germany http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...-tanks-019466/ http://www.defenceiq.com/amoured-veh...rmany-further/ PROMISES MADE: PM1. AUSTRALIA/ADD/M113AS4 APC/JAN 2008/C2 P10/12.7mm w/1200 Rds// PM2. AUSTRALIA/ADD/M125AS3 AM/JUN 2008/C5/81mm Mortar w/114Rds// PM3. AUSTRALIA/ADD/M113AS4 ALV/Ordnance Carrier/C2/12.7mm w/1200Rds// I’m allowing for the delays in the program here before these got fielded. M113AS4 it was developed under the Land 106 Program that started in 1992 and would be completed with the final delivery of the M113AS4 by DEC 2012. The first 4 units would be delivered on NOV 15, 2007 and the ADF (7th Bn.) would get 16 by the end of that year being fully operational. Let there be no doubt here, the Australians use these as direct fire support ACAV units in support of their infantry and tanks. They are improved versions of the USA M113A3 with many improvements to include engines to keep up with the tanks, armor (Up to 14.7mm.) and IED protection and handling as they have an extra set of road wheels and therefore are stretched. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...pgrades-05133/ http://www.military-today.com/apc/m113as4.htm PMC1. AUSTRALIA/CHANGE/UNIT 319/M125A1/END DATE TO NOV 2009 VICE DEC 2020// I’ll have work here to do for next year. The below ref from MOD points out that the M113A1 finished their last operation in East Timor in OCT 2009. Also one of the three pictured below is a “veteran” of the Vietnam War. We’ll need to extend several of the units out to the above date where weapons and ammo won’t cause any issues. Have no time for that now-sorry. http://www.defence.gov.au/media/Depa...CurrentId=9834 http://armynews.realviewdigital.com/...enews_army.xml Refer to the APC Thread for further info if desired in Posts 45 and 134-136. This one was for me 3 years later. Pic: Attachment 12857 PM4. AUSTRALIA/ADD/JUL 2011/C8/M777A2 155mm w/Rockwell FIRESTORM DTCS/AMMO XM1156 GPS FUZE KITS (EXCALIBUR) and DIEHL/RHEINMETALL SMArt 155 AT Rds// This much like the LAND 106 (M113AS3/4) the LAND 17 (Artillery Replacement Program) was also plagued by numerous delays. The purpose of the program was to retire the 105mm M2A2, L119 HAMEL 105mm FG and M198 155mm (Addressed below). This weapon is considered in the “ultra-light weight” category. The A2 is the newest version of the piece. Also the system is so user friendly that it can be operated by a crew of 5 though, as noted above 8 is the standard crew for all users of the M777. The FIRESTORM DTCS (Digital Terminal Control System) will allow for instant targeting coordination that will include a tablet PC, a laser range finder, a laser target designator, a real-time video downlink receiver, a manpack radio, and the firm’s Defense Advanced GPS Receiver (DAGR). Both the USA and USMC have already been equipped with the FIRESTORM DTCS package for their M777 pieces. It should be pointed out at this juncture that there are only two versions of the M777 as taken from Ref 1 as follows; “The systems fitted with the digital fire control system are designated M777A1, and those with the software update which allows the firing of the Excalibur projectile, M777A2. M777A2 received full material release in July 2007, clearing the upgrade for fielding. All M777A1 systems will be upgraded to the A2 standard.” This is in reference the U.S. so changes need to be made to both the USA and USMC OOB’s (Ref 2) and possibly Canada as well. The ADF site (Ref 1) no longer shows any other artillery being used in active service. The LAND 17 Phase 2 (Or 1C.) part of the program was also delayed and finally cut due to budget issues in May 2012. This program was to chose an SPA option for the ADF. The Australian 105mm has been retired, the L119 HAMEL 105mm has a battery on active service at their Artillery School and there are indications they along with the M198 155mm are in service with the Australian reserve forces. I have feelers out for information in Australia at this time so this and the above issues can wait until next year. http://www.army.gov.au/Our-work/Equi.../M777-Howitzer http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ufh/ http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...goahead-01928/ http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_...s_0606122.html http://www.armyrecognition.com/octob...2_1610122.html http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...tillery-03911/ http://www.military-today.com/trucks/mack_mc3.htm Refer to the #15 Australian OOB Queries Thread by TDR for further info if desired in Posts 6, 12 and 15. Pics for Game UNIT Picture from ADF files: Attachment 12858 Attachment 12859 Attachment 12860 PM5. UNITED KINGDOM/ADD/FEB 1946 – JUN 1955/HORNET F.Mk.1/C1/SPD 472mph/4 HISPANO MK V 20mm Cannons w/190 RPG SAPI or HEI Rds/2 1000lb Bombs OR 8 RP-3 60lb Rockets/Optional Weapons Configuration 1 1000 lb or 2 500lb Bombs with 4 RP-3 60lb Rockets// The HORNET F.Mk.1 was a further improvement upon the famed MOSQUITO. These planes actually flew before the end of WWII but not in numbers to be assigned in combat squadrons. Shared by all versions they had a bullet proof laminated canopy, armored cockpit, nose section and gun panel section underneath. Aerodynamically the HORNET was superior to the MOSQUITO which along with the improved RR Merlin engines made this the fastest prop fighter. It to in combat in Malay; would prove to be as accurate or more so in getting weapons on the target for which the MOSQUITO was legendary in doing so during WWII. The HORNET F.MK.1 would have “shorter legs” than it’s successors but was still superior as compared to the SPITFIRE, P-51 and early jets with or without drop tanks. Interestedly the F.Mk.1 would only end up operating out of the UK. PM6. UNITED KINGDOM/ADD/FEB 1946 – JUN 1956/HORNET F.Mk.3/C1/SPD 472mph/4 HISPANO MK V 20mm Cannons w/190 RPG SAPI or HEI Rds/2 1000lb Bombs OR 8 RP-3 60lb Rockets/Optional Weapons Configuration 1 1000 lb or 2 500lb Bombs with 4 RP-3 60lb Rockets// The HORNET F.Mk.3 would represent the pinnacle in design and performance of the type upon which all further types would be based. The range would be increased to 3000 mi. and maneuverability further improved upon with the introduction of a dorsal fin to the tail section. These planes would validate the type in combat (May 1951-May 1955) during the Malay Crisis of 1950 - 1960. These planes replaced the latest and last versions of the SPITFIRE and TEMPEST Squadrons already stationed there at the start of the conflict. PM7. UNITED KINGDOM/ADD/FEB 1947 – FEB 1957/SEA HORNET F.Mk.20/C1/SPD 468mph/4 HISPANO MK V 20mm Cannons w/190 RPG SAPI or HEI Rds/2 1000lb Bombs OR 8 RP-3 60lb Rockets/Optional Weapons Configuration 1 1000 lb or 2 500lb Bombs with 4 RP-3 60lb Rockets// The SEA HORNET F.Mk.20 actually was derived from the F.1 but would be improved to the F.3 modifications as that plane was coming to fruitarian. As the name would indicate this plane was built for the RN. The big differences from the RAF types was that it had folding wings, arresting equipment and wing modifications to slow the plane down for carrier landings. The speed decrease is due to the fact that the RN required the type to carry 3 cameras; in the case of the F.20 and NF.21 below, located 1 centerline and 2 angled side looking in the tail this added about 500lbs to the overall weight of the aircraft. However it’s interesting to note that except for the loss of some speed, these modifications had apparently little to no effect on the SEA HORNET overall performance. The first ref below has comments made by the military test pilot Captain Eric "Winkle" Brown that flew the SEA HORNET during the evaluation process. Captain Brown apparently still holds the record for flying the greatest number of different aircraft types. PM8. UNITED KINGDOM/ADD/JAN 1949 – FEB 1957/SEA HORNET NF.Mk.21/C2/SPD 457mph/4 HISPANO MK V 20mm Cannons w/190 RPG SAPI or HEI Rds/2 1000lb Bombs OR 8 RP-3 60lb Rockets/Optional Weapons Configuration 1 1000 lb or 2 500lb Bombs with 4 RP-3 60lb Rockets// The SEA HORNET NF.Mk.21 was modified to carry the ASH radar system. This version was considered an “all weather” fighter due to its status as a night fighter. Even though it had an elongated nose to house the radar and carried a radar operator; it seems from the refs and blogs I visited online, again the only issue this brought about was a further reduction in speed only as noted above for the SEA HORNET F.Mk.20. The radar operator faced aft with a small canopy “bubble” that could be ejected to allow the operator to parachute out of his “cockpit”. His was located about midway in the fuselage. http://www.livingwarbirds.com/de-havilland-hornet.php http://dhhornet50.net/ http://www.vicflintham.co.uk/post-wa...et/hornet.html http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/...and_hornet.php http://www.classicwarbirds.co.uk/bri...and-hornet.php http://www.airpowerworld.info/other-...and-hornet.htm http://britains-smallwars.com/malaya/reg.html#raf Refer to the British OOB Thread by IMP for further info if desired in Posts 6 - 12 as brought to light by Gud. The last ref might be VERY useful for you designer types. As always some of these inputs lead to further issues which I’ll address next year as these are extensions of this work above and as previously submitted. What I couldn’t fix and doesn’t need fixing this year please until I can further verify it is of course the ARJUN Mk 1 w/LAHAT, the FLIP-FLOP of sources (Sometimes same ones.) that started showing up in late 2012 into 2013 concerning the Indonesian is it a LEO 2A6 or LEO 2A4 and a couple of videos that showed the tanks as 2A4 types late models. For next year lots of Jets, APC/IFV and SPA/SPAA (One dating back to 1995 to be added) for next year as well. Regards, Pat |
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OK got it. That's all for this year
Thanks Don |
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Don,
You'll get no argument out of me. I feel done. But a lot of ground was covered elsewhere this year also especially in the APC world. It was a productive year equipment wise. If any issues come up with this last input let me know. Otherwise like everyone else, I'll look forward to the Patch to see what you and Andy have come up with. In the meantime I can always count on India too keep me busy... http://www.dmilt.com/index.php?optio...asia&Itemid=56 Somethings never change!?! :rolleyes: Regards, Pat |
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Pat, I was burnt out 4 weeks ago. I don't even want to THINK about OOB's for about a half year. This year has been the worst grind in 16 years of doing this. I just want to get through your list then spend the next few weeks looking things over so today was the last day for new things for both games no exceptions.
Don |
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Don,
Understand. I should send you a "care package" of some good Belgium Brew that seems to help "set me right" now and again!?! :D Only six more to go!?! ;) Regards, Pat |
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Well it isn't a funeral; Don and Andy enjoy the break. It's well desevered after all these years of dedicated work. But I can't wonder if someone isn't sending me a message as well. Got back from vacation over the weekend, get on the computer, it's coming up and crashs hard. I lost the OS and everything associated with it. Including years of past and future game data. So even with a very good UPS and surge protector it's still no defense against Mother Nature. The upside is the machine will be leaner and meaner and by dumping the partition so I could rebuild the OS etc. I might've even gotten rid of a virus or other malware or two also-who knows!?! Fortunatly I can see most of it in my minds eye and the pressures off now. My focus will be the 2014/2016 Campaign and less on the news-afterall the minds eye is still perishable data. And that starts shortly. I will search the threads for items like the Hornet/Sea Hornet as those are the things I like to take on and as I have a "World OOB" view of the game I'll just post it here if alright when the time is right.
Lesson here is to turn the computer off and unplug it if your not home to answer the UPS warning to shut down your system. So ends that debate of do you leave it on or turn it off. That's the consumer tip of the day. So again Don and Andy enjoy your time to sort out your lives and take the time to smell the roses. Regards, Pat |
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Don,
Obviously we have all the time in the world for the two items I have a question about below-let's just say you get real bored one day before you feel the need to respond. Besides I'm slowly thinking about starting my lists soon to catch up on the items I've let go by for the last three years or so on some equipment. I'm still recovering data lost to my computer issue of this past winter. Anyway...Do you see a need for the following to pieces of equipment? I will provide a brief reason why to consider each however I'm not going to expend too much energy on them at this time as noted above. First up the Russian BTR-82AM designed for use by the Russian Marines. It's set up would be similar to the BTR-82A w/30mm cannon we put into the game for the 2011/2012 patch. It is fully amphibious and Russia claims and the ref below says it can operate/be deployed from dozens of miles from sea. Availability: Now. It's another "nail in the coffin" for the BTR-80 series. Who benefits: Not knowing what game loaded maps (I understand options exist i.e. Map Gen.) are currently available for Russian amphibious assaults; impact for the normal player and AI is nominal. This would on the surface of it would benefit the designer folks most in amphibious assaults for campaigns or scenarios I feel. Issues: Easy to copy the BTR-82A to make this unit and would give the Russian Marine units a dedicated IFV. The slot issue is the real concern here. Would I give up a slot for this vs. the ARMADA, no though I have a certain jet in mind that really needs to go away I've been beating you up about for the last four years or so. But Russia is getting a upgraded version of the PANTSYR also within the next two years or less as well. Unless you see another way, though I like this UNIT, at the same time I can see this more as being added in the final 2020/2021 Patch to close out the game if slots allow. If a solution to the slot issue presents itself earlier, then we should take a look at it sooner. http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2...les_06051.html http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi..._pictures.html Finally the Oerlikon Skyshield ground-based short-range air defense system. Availability: Now. Who benefits: Everyone. To include the three countries using it. This is a very sophisticated system and at least for South Africa and Indonesia probably one of their most advanced, at least, short ranged AA/SAM systems. Issues: None concerning the slot issue for the current user countries. Workload in creating the units and at my end the normal research especially in determining the means of transport each country uses for the firing units. http://www.armyrecognition.com/germa...ta_sheet_.html TAKE CARE!!!! Regards, Pat |
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I'm ready to start work here to clear my bookmarks out and give my brain a rest from years old data I kept after my former PC crapped out on me a couple of times. I've put off equipment to take care of the priority needs of the "major" OOB's, now it's time to catch up the less or smaller ones a little such as Iran, Iraq, S. Korea and Brazil to name just a few. I'll try a pace of one or two items every couple of days.
1. Don I will change the format of the my submissions still within the "home" thread titles but separate the page into sections of ADD, Modify (Weapons, TI/GSR etc.), CHANGE (Now being more administrative in nature I.E. dates, crew size etc.) and DELETIONS in the order you wish otherwise I'll leave as shown here. Also no longer will I use those terms for each single item as I've done in the past, it should save both of us some time. Synopsis will still be done as normal, I'll try better to keep too main points and maybe be briefer. OK, I hear everyone already laughing, but, I'll give it a try anyway. Any other modifications you want let me know here please. 2. Finally we've had a real good history of getting equipment in that some forum members had asked me to look into and submit to Don. We're thus far at a 100% inclusion rate thus far. So again thank you for the requests and of course to Don for getting them in there. So I'm open to them again however, you need to provide me with a start point that I can build on. This offer ends on 25 September. You'll know where to put them shortly. Regards, Pat |
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Well the last post sure as poop fell through since everything seems in "flux" all the time around here. Folks I'll just say when it shows up here you'll be the first to notice though a handful of you know the signs that something is finally "afoot" the two years since my last input sure has felt more like it was double that. Anyway my real purpose here...
Just downloaded the new Patch 10b (It shows as 10 in the game is that correct?) and I see the gunships are still in. I have changes in this area such as the SPECTRE was retired from combat operations last year (Some will be used as laser weapons test platforms.) plus... http://www.janes.com/article/51851/a...pectre-gunship The new AC-130 "GHOSTRIDER" gunship will join the "SPOOKY" operationally 3-6 months after the next years Patch which will need to entered plus... JORDAN has operated the CN 235/295 "Pocket Gunships" for a while now so there's a couple of ADDS plus the same as an "update" version to carry new weapons as shown next... https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...nships-419663/ I don't want to "spin my wheels" here if these gunships are going away as I truly thought was going to happen this year based on the various posts concerning this very topic. If the matter is still being looked at concerning how they work in attack mode within the game great, But would request a little guidance on how to proceed as I believe that the CN 235 will involve more "players' such as Italy etc. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...verting-06778/ https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-s...Fact_Sheet.pdf https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-s...Fact_Sheet.pdf The last has "live" weapons on target firing video. And yes those are HELLFIRE missiles on there which both of ours wil carry a well. I'll await further guidance when the New Patch Release Hangover (NPRH)" is well...over. :doh: (Did he really just post that!) Regards, Pat :capt: |
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As a reminder I would request that the "normal rules" of this thread would please be respected as noted in Post #1/Para #1-Thank You.
In the next month or so Andy and Don will embarking on another several months of putting together the next patch pulling together the many issues related to the game over the last year. Many others will more directly contribute as well and I only wish I was amongst them. Maybe I can pull something together towards the end if Don "green lights" me, we'll see. This time of year is always difficult for all involved with it and it means personal sacrifice at times. We don't always agree and that's fine as long as we don't give up and continue the "fight" to keep our games at the fore front of this genre. It is my hope the below, which was brought to my attention from a co-worker (In my section alone we have at least 130+ years of retired military experience and other 20 years on top of that from a couple of veterans also in the section.) will set the tone and when needed provide some relief by those that need it. As this next deals with possible future DOD applications that might have ramifications across the board covering everything from vehicle self protection/defense, offensive countermeasures, crew and passenger integrated protection systems, combat vehicle medical field support, advanced comms and frontline HQ support. This is currently in reality, a commercial venture that is truly showing promise that has gotten the interest of the DOD recently. This falls under a broad based program simply known as either MIT/or MITT. Of course I'll be tracking it as news of it is available and the DOD decides to act upon the whole "system" as a whole or dissect it into the parts it wishes to pursue as MIT/or MITT at it's core is a modular system. Again the last sentence of para three is the driver here and hopefully MIT/or MITT will fill that niche as we see the future of battlefield technology yet to come. About that Patch, normally mid-March to mid-April for release providing no major issues are involved. Just saying!?! ;) Again for all the hard work that's been done and the rest to come, this video shows the commercial uses, the DOD press conference is at the end of the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gERED8htKM 20 and a wake up. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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We definately need a trunk monkey here ........
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Alright before I start, we have a lot of new or more active folks in the forum since I last put anything in here. So please, before anyone else decides to post a response here, I would urge you to Read the following first...
Post #1 Pg. 1, if still unsure, Post #121 Pg. 13 and finally Post #182 Pg. 19. THANK YOU!! This is where Don and I "hash it out" or he just plain "challenges me". But also where Andy can chime in as he sees fit, should he desire. All you have to do is just read anything Don has responded in here too understand the relationship going on here. I kind've touch on it in Post #180 Pg. 18. For my small contribution to the game over the years I wouldn't have it any other way. I've noticed when "life" was kicking us around and Don and Andy got a little better hold of their situations and came back sooner than I but, Don still entered some equipment I had only posted on, I'll just leave it at that. Now for the business at hand which I hope will be addressed for the 2017/2018 Campaign or following one. For everyone else when I'm done here this portion will be copied over to the MBT Thread for anyone else to comment on as they see fit. Don, I need no specific answer to this issue anytime soon, I have to give this some more serious thought myself as well. Really just focus as I know Andy and you are on giving us the best Patch you can. Platitudes are now done... Essentially probably the two best Heavy MBT's out there are the M1A2 SEP 3 and the LEOPARD 2A7+ (With the updated ATTICA FCS) which I had proved the Germans do have when I found and posted the results of that search in the MBT Thread. My concerns of equipment really reached it's height at the time concerning the submission of the M1A2 SEP 2 in Post #123 (Item A1 under the MBT section) & #128 on Pg. 13 the concerns dealt with the significant advances in ammo that had outstripped the capabilities of the TI/GSR optics fitted to the FCS's at the time. You'll find an interesting quote that makes the point very well for me in Post #123 as noted above. And of course the "The 700lb. Gorilla" in the room is addressed as well concerning map sizes, play-ability etc. that just can't be ignored. We would settle on TI/GSR 50. I also started bringing up the fact we're going to have "winners and losers" out here sorry but, that's the price of technology and who's willing and MORE IMPORTANTLY can afford it in the form of R&D. So now we move on... I posted the following and if Don acted on it from some my posts or otherwise I'm happy to see it in that would be USA UNIT 538 M1A2 SEP 3 TI/GSR 60 (And I strongly feel LEOPARD 2A7+ should be on par or @ TI/GSR 55 min.), I think that's exactly where that particular tank should be. For planes equipped with SNIPER or any similar pod that's nothing (I've posted video in you can guess where, that shows a jet ~40NM out looking like from the camera it's almost hovering on top of the targets.) as they would say "the skies the limit" but that'll never work for land equipment. LOS will always put limits on land equipment and we have to maintain some sense of proportion within the game as well to keep things on an "even keel". We move on to the other "700lb. Gorilla in the room" the USA isn't sitting on it's laurels, that's right, and can you guess what's coming!?! Yup, the M1A2 SEP 4, what I'll be thinking about independently is... 1) Do we push the envelop on TI/GSR to say 65? 2) Is there enough room in the other associated FCS's sub systems that can be improved upon? 3) Can the ammo be improved upon as the AIM round is now available and the new Kinetic round is being tested now for this tank to possibly increase hit % and PEN % etc. 4) Still might be an armor issue but, still looking into this. 5) Or a sensible combination of some or all these elements? 6) And finally and most importantly what makes sense for the game. So right now that's what I'm thinking about. Also take note how quickly they moved from the V2 to the V3. I believe we will definitely see this tank available before games end and sooner than expected based on DOD increased budgets and what Russia and China do over the next couple of years as they test our new "CIC". At your leisure if I missed a point of concern you wish me to further consider as well, please do so and post it here if you will. Otherwise until LATER this year, I'll consider this matter closed for now. http://www.armyrecognition.com/unite..._11610155.html http://www.armyrecognition.com/febru..._11302171.html Something else I'm TRACKING... http://www.janes.com/article/64383/a...me-takes-shape And again, Andy and Don thank you for all the hard work, and I'm looking forward to the Patch when released. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Don previous post is for you. Everyone else the main issue is posted in the MBT Thread. Wanted to get the Threads in ascending order if you will.
Thank you! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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I had thought it far longer then I just saw since I posted anything out here. But the SEP V3 is in and the rest, well I just don't know. That's something I've not done before when posting anything in this thread - ever - not to follow up when the Patch comes out.
So today happened to cost me $3400.00, for a new water softener, 10 yr. termite treatment, insurance deductible since someone decided to hit CINCLANTHOME's POV while it was happily sitting in a parking space minding it's own business (hit and run) and renewing my U2 membership. So I'm thinking how can I make this a better day!??! Well... Don, I know this is a crappy time to ask but, it's always been in my window for this kind of thing, yes, but not so much as I normally would do but, maybe a step in the right direction. So here I go!! I'm asking if you'll give me until Sunday (evening.) next to submit a mini Patch Submission? Here's what I see... 1. One helicopter already submitted (2013) for six countries. Problem missing primary weapon/slot(s) are available to add/one will need a 1 yr. shift to the left also for FOC+ (One turned out to be a month early that's OK well within our 6 month "SWAG" we've always used in the past. The rest on time. That's Research and Time & Effort.) I like that "RTE", sounds very...well...like military speak!?! :D 2. You (And some others out here.) know how I "feel" when I see a trend starting, and I see one now that I'd like to get fixed again as was addressed several years back. The concern is for the AH-64E and ensuring that foreign sales AH-64E birds DO NOT reflect the USA one's, not directed to you, based on a sense of the postings I've seen concerning this matter. I'm asking you to trust me on this one as I'm real close to tying this up to present the matter for your consideration. These will be minor fixes but, a degree of separation must be made. 3. I have a tank in mind which is significant to the country of concern and the geographic area as a whole. This will change the countries strategic position within the region due to the type and numbers ordered. It might even get some more players interested in this area or group of surrounding countries in the current era. This is an existing MBT from another country also in the region. A simple ADD. I of course will submit these if given the "green light" in my normal format for this thread. Might be useful for some others to a degree in simplifying submissions in the future, based on what I've read out here. Sorry this is kind've how I get when the juices are flowing. It's in the last work para below and is not personal, I just have a "good sense" of what's going on especially this time of year. Patch's are what you call a female dog. So again "hats off" to Andy and Don. That's about it. And as always you know I'm available as a "hound dog" as I've been asked to do in the past a handful of times. For everyone else, it's not a big thing, if I get my "S**T TOGETHER maybe it'll be sooner then later, but, I feel much better about saying that now than I have in a very long time. So many new people out and that's REALLT GREAT!! But that being said PLEASE read POST #1 there are "house rules" here mostly to keep my "head clear" and Don's to maintain his sanity. If you delve into this thread a little you'll understand what I'm talking about. THANK YOU!! So it's my last night off, someone's playing for a National Championship and someone's got a complete 4K system...hmmm...I think Blade Runner 4K is what I'll do next, well after I renew my U2 thing. ;) Good Night everyone, even those that are already, well, sleeping! Regards, Pat :capt: And wouldn't you know it, the TRUNK MONKEY from above is gone!?! I really liked the TRUNK MONKEY it made me laugh. :( |
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I hate to ask though I'm dedicated to this now, but as you'll see next, you'll partially understand why. I'm requesting a one day extension if possible though not only for the following reason but I had to research data lost.
The why is, I went to open my planes and jets folder that had about 100 files in it and now there are only 2 in it. I don't know or understand why but over 5 years of data are now apparently lost. Quite frankly though my mind is focused on the matter at hand, I'm almost afraid to check the others at this time and won't until this is done first for obvious reasons. Any thoughts how I might find this data within Win10 at a basic level would be appreciated though, I expect the worst. This is the only info I can provide... 1. Had Mozilla Firefox after my PC issues before the holidays, I switched to MS EDGE as my browser and transferred my bookmarks over without incident. Did a precheck of my refs in preps for this project, and the files were all there Fri. late, last night they were all gone but the two mentioned. So this issue is open to answer here for anyone that has experienced the same or that might have a basic fix for me. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!! Don also so I saw the M551 Thread in TO&E's with Andy's answer concerning the location of the AAMG in Slot 4. Currently the 6 helos (Same type.) I mentioned already have two weapons on them that can stay (These are considered "heavy lift" helos so can easily handled all weapons assigned w/o any issues. That being said, the weapon is FN MAG 60-30 MG x 2 which also as I had noted was it's primary weapon. There is one weapon mounted on each side of the helo (Will provide pics.) just behind the cockpit. Attachment 15090 Added in edit to assist you. Not knowing the calculus involved, do those two machine guns just take one slot because they're the same weapon or one slot for each? So at this point it would be useful in answering this question with the following unit to represent the rest requiring updates France/UNIT 520//. also France and Malaysia are the only ones I'm aware that have ordered the up armor pkg., I'll assume the HS armor value of 3 vice 2 for the other countries involved represents that upgrade? If so then that issue is resolved for me. Thank you! I'm really sorry to be a bother. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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WC4 AAMG in slot 4 - now fixed in code so its not treated as a bow gun.
Re loss of files - do you have anything set up to "archive" files - they may have been zipped up and squirrelled away by some utility programme, if you have such on your machine. Also - check your deleted files folder, on the off chance you or some "utility" removed them, they might be found lurking in there! |
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Don this is where I'm at all jet/plane & helo inputs done. The following will be my only MBT submissions to be submitted and what's left for to finish.
1. 1 name w/vision CHANGE 2. 1 vision CHANGE for the same tank as above but for a different country. 3. 1 ADD unless you tell the VT-4 for Thailand has already been entered by you for the next patch. 4. And finally my current "headache" Brazil EE-T1 ORSORIO UNIT 600 I might've been the cause of this as if and others might remember, sometimes I'd post a "what if" tank with other news etc. I believe you'll find I did this for this tank in the MBT Thread. Here's the issue I've found several refs are saying this tank never got beyond the prototype stage. Army-Guide and maybe a couple of more say they do have. Please if you still have your note on this tank can you tell your source data please. 4A. Brazil EE-T2 ORSORIO UNIT 601 this one the refs seem to agree upon as never getting out of the prototype stage. It's really ashamed though, the Brazilian Army held off on a buy decision unless the tank generated international attention in the form of a buyer. That would eventually became Saudi Arabia that was looking for 300 tanks at the time. If bought the per unit price would've been much less making it an attractive buy for the Brazilian Army. As it turned out, this tank outperformed the ABRAMS (And this is well documented.) very handling in overall performance. In one of the more "shady" defense contract deals made, Saudi Arabia backed out of the intent to buy contract in favor of the ABRAMS this decision was solely based on their long term political interests. In that regard it's obvious it was the right decision. So this boils down to the same question on how it got in. I'm thinking 2 DELETES here otherwise. Got to get ready for work have a late post today. Midnight before I can get home before I can respond to this. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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3/ it's already in
4/ I just went through this with someone else.( it must be " Brazil Month...":doh: ). please go look at the UC they are and then look at the formation they are in ......."Engesa Tank Company" Then open up THE GAME instead of MOBHack and read the formation information. Quote:
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When I saw those tanks my reaction was as noted in my last. I did see the post leading up to your last, I didn't have to read it because I recognized as soon as I saw it. So I'll :doh: you back and raise you a :deadhorse: minus the beat down but very much feeling like what's on the ground!?!
Thanks for the response, keeping those refs for another look at these later because those reports of the Saudi opeval against the ABRAM was eye opening. I want to dig into a little deeper. Glad they can serve a purpose. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Well to start especially with the first Brazilian jets below in particular and others, those items go back about five years or more by time this gets posted. Why? First tracking the development of the item or lead time if you will until operational. Priorities associated with the game like armor and major OOB related mostly. Personal and related issues-life in general. So this is more about my philosophy of…One World One OOB at a Time (OWOOT…well that was interesting!?!) which is why I’m starting here with this thread. Unfortunately I’ve lost within the last few days I’ve somehow lost over a 100 files relating specifically to my Jets and Planes folder. So sorry for the delay these issues were in my head as I said for many years and in my last couple of years of submitting my Patch Posts I indicated how far behind I was letting these things go. I’ll do my best, because my goal here among others is to try to generate some interest outside of the ordinarily/or usual suspects played out here. You will note a more streamlined format (On the UNIT info page as you look at it go TOP to BOTTOM and LEFT to RIGHT is how I’ll try to present the data. I’m maintaining the past practice of not including END DATES for new and existing units if they meet or exceed the current games one. A note on the CHANGE items, mentally think of it as CHANGE too, this shortens things where I entered the data fields etc. with “vice” in between them. Finally I’m using a different font (Calibri 11 see I remembered!) to hopefully make things easier for Don, Andy and myself. Also I’ll be submitting new country pictures for these items below as needed and via follow up posts to this. As you go along you’ll understand why. Since it’s been awhile and we have many new folks out here (WHICH IS GREAT!!) over the last couple of years, I would again ask your patience and understanding in that these submissions are for your viewing only while under this thread. This is to expedite any issues between us concerning equipment getting into the game. As always I migrate these back to their “home” threads after all issues have been addressed, and Don is satisfied as is or the patch has been released, after which you can comment as you wish. I will thank everyone for your support and encouragement over these last few years at the end of this submission it’s just a little special THANK YOU!?! So this is the first one about 4yrs. and if Don’s ready, let’s get started… JETS PLANES BUT NO UAVS HERE. ADD: A1. Brazil/SEP 2016/DEC 2025/Embraer A-1M AMX/EW 6/TI-GSR 40/2x DEFA 540 30mm/LGB capable/Ref. UNIT 148 as weapons option/FC 16/RF-Does have Range Finder value at your discretion//. Though work started in 2008 however, the world market situation slowed the cash flow in this program. The prototypes were made fully operational and the FAB did receive they’re first A-IM in SEP 2013 with 16 more at various stages of modernization but, I’m basing my FOC+ as indicated above as that was a date a ref. pointed to as delivery of additional aircraft. The A-1 cannot compete against the A-1M as this was an extensive and very expensive upgrade for the number of planes involved (43). It should be noted that Israel’s ELBIT was the lead initially in the upgrade of the planes avionics and advanced electronic systems. https://dialogo-americas.com/en/arti...l-flight-march http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...ighter-bomber/ https://embraer.com/global/en/news#/...A1-modernizado https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...-Brazil-05151/ http://www.deagel.com/news/First-Upg...000011864.aspx A2. Israel/JAN 2005/DEC 2015/A-4N SKYHAWK II AYIT (EAGLE)/EW 4/TI-GSR 30-35 (Possible 40.)/2x 20 mm COLT Mk 12/Normal Configuration – Drop Tanks/6 Mk 82 500lb bombs and 2 LAU-131 rocket pods/Optional Pkg. - 8 Mk 82 500lb bombs/2 Mk 80 250lb “Fire Cracker” bombs/FC+ (?)/RF-Does have Range Finder value at your discretion//. Before I make my case for this plane, I noticed that the pictures for UNITS 308-311 are all USN ones and ICO of 311 not an A-4N as that has The “humpback” on it. I already have IDF pictures for 311 and this one if entered. Alright here we go…By 2005 the IAF realized the life span of their A-4 was coming to an end. By 2008 the search was on for its replacement which included the possibility of using their F-16A/B that I believe were coming out of service around that time. By 2014 that replacement was being integrated though initially they were purposely stripped down versions when bought (See ref. 5). These planes received the above noted improvements plus others to cover other avionic aspects in regard to the planes performance. This is in the realm of an advanced trainer that is designed (Like many others T-50 ROK, L-15 China, YAK-130 Russia and M346 Italy etc.), that is fully combat ready. In looking into this matter, it can be interpreted that they might’ve been used for such purpose, after all once advanced training is completed it’s on to their final assignments. But we’ve been down this road before (STRIX etc.) so my case is really above the fact that if “push came to shove” Israel wouldn’t hesitate to use them or any other nation that operates a smaller AF similar to the geo-political environment they are in. I think this is something to consider. The 4th ref. is was the best I could find on the IAF A-4 weapons configurations. The 5th ref. indicates combat missions into Lebanon in 2006. The 6th ref a book on the combat history in chapter 7 is about operations in Syria and Lebanon. The chapters are in chronological order. The 7th ref is an IAF source on their aircraft. What I find unusual here is that the AYIT is not listed under the trainer section (Click on decade time lime.) however its replacement is. The last two discusses the new trainer and the IDF upgrades including weaponing of them. http://www.aviobook.com/military/4X_...HTERS.ENG.html http://iaf.org.il/4428-45751-en/IAF.aspx From para 4 “…as it took part in every Israeli campaign ever since it entered service…” http://warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-new...s-service.html http://www.moddb.com/mods/idf-fight-...e-israeli-ayit http://a4skyhawk.info/article/israel...kyhawks-combat https://ospreypublishing.com/israeli...nits-in-combat http://iaf.org.il/9031-en/IAF.aspx http://www.airforce-technology.com/n...craft-4202966/ http://www.iaf.org.il/4462-49374-en/IAF.aspx Pic: Attachment 15095 CHANGE: C1. Brazil/UNIT 153/F-5EM/Start DATE SEP 2006 FOC+/EW 8 Rafael Litening III /TI-GSR 40+ (?)/Rafael Litening III/1x 20mm M39 1 cannon removed to accommodate additional air/ground radar + other sensors/FC 22+?//First I feel these planes from the start should’ve been around 40 TI-GSR as they stand w/o the pods. Also more of the pods had been received since the below ref first reported on them. By Sep 2006 13 F-5EM and 1 F-5FM were operational (However, “An official ceremony on 21 September 2005 at Canoas marked the service entrance (FOC) of the Embraer F-5EM with the first operational unit: 1°/14 GAv "Pampa" at Canoas AB.” But they were designated to conduct op evals. This goes to an earlier discussion concerning FOC vs. FOC+. These are probably the most advanced versions of the type being flown now. Depending on how the GRIPEN NG purchase goes (Tentative first delivery late 2019.), these planes might stay in service until 2030. Some refs do point to 2020, however it took a year to op eval these planes and they already flew the F-5 prior. Now we know that’s not going to happen. Again Israel and also Italy played a key role in its development. The difference maker to some extent was the decision to buy the more capable Italian radar vs. their first choice. My first ref does an excellent job of tying the rest in I’ve supplemented it with. But I’m under a self-imposed time limit so…I end on the following question, do we want to ADD the F-5FMtwo seater and should we not consider also an additional F-5EM in a different weapons configuration? And this can wait or after this is submitted and depending on your workload, I can fire off an addendum to this Patch Post if you want it for the next Patch. http://www.the-northrop-f-5-enthusia...lUpgrades.html https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...Program-06837/ http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...to-brazil.html C2. Israel/UNITS 308-311/A-4E/F/H/N to include “AYIT” at end of name/See A1//. C3. Israel/UNIT 311/A-4N SKYHAWK II AYIT/End DATE DEC 2008/2x 20 mm COLT Mk 12/Normal Configuration – Drop Tanks/6 Mk 82 500lb bombs and 2 LAU-131 rocket pods/Optional Pkg. - 8 Mk 82 500lb bombs/2 Mk 80 250lb “Fire Cracker” bombs//. I think it well worth to equip jets/planes as full as possible with ordnance in cases like this when other changes are needed and we have sources available to support the claim. And I’m not however suggesting we do a major check of aircraft in the game, as a user of them, most already are “fully” loaded. This again was a random opportunity that presented itself. The 4th ref is from a 1965 USMC orientation film. You’ll see one of the single mission load outs at the start of the video and you’ll need to pause it, it’s only 30s long. The last is for informational and entertainment value. It has some great combat footage. Note: From A2, that refs 2 and 5-7 apply here as well. http://a4skyhawk.info/article/israel...kyhawks-combat http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/a4_skyhawk.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBAjBHJCM-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLMM_jf6Lwc Pic: Attachment 15096 C4. USA/UNIT 851/AC-130H SPECTRE/END DATE MAY 2015// Keeping this simple, she’s flown off into the sunset. OK retired. Note: Holding off on the new AC-130J GHOST RIDER. Could possibly become operational this year however, the USAF had to scrap one due to a “Training Mishap” I don’t intend to enter the AC-130W due primarily to slot issues, unless someone tells me otherwise. That being said the AC-130J GHOST RIDER is a much more capable platform which will be equipped with anti-tank missiles and PGB’s. http://www.cannon.af.mil/News/Articl...ectre-gunship/ FYI: During the YOM KIPPER War the A4 suffered moderate/heavy losses, if you looked at the ref 5, you’d have noticed near the bottom a picture showing the jets nozzle almost blown off. You’ll notice on later pictures and the ones I submitted, they actually rebuilt and extended the nozzle which in turn greatly reduced its IR heat signature. HELO News game related. ADD: A1. Thailand/JUN 2015/SUPER COUGAR H225M/COPY REVISED Brazil UNIT 129/UNDER “CHANGE” see C1 FOR FURTHER DATA// CHANGE: C1. France UNIT 520 UP ARMORED/Malaysia UNIT 664 UP ARMORED/Brazil UNIT129 also START DATE JUN 2011/Indonesia UNIT 129/TO SUPER COUGAR H225M/ADD PORT AND STARBRD FN MAG 60-30 MG w/ 250 or 1000RD DRUMS/LEAVE ALL OTHER STATS AS IS/EXCEPT AGAIN Brazils new start date above// What simply happened here is that Eurocopter was bought out by Airbus which caused the name change, trying to avoid any future confusion for this helo. I noted in the case of France and Malaysia (Armor upgrade pkg.) the HS value is 3 vice 2 for all the others. Is this a good number in your mind for those two countries? Or might 4 be better? I defer to you as I know you always back check these submissions. The below refs are the only live links from HELO Thread Pg. 3/Post #26/A4 as originally submitted. For Thailand getting it, Brazils new start date and helo name change per updated ref 1. http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ec725/ You’ll be DIRECTLY taken to updated version w/H225M. https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...copters-04959/ Not updated since JAN 05, 2012. https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...copters-05690/ Pic: This is for France. Attachment 15097 C2. Malaysia/UNIT 324/S-61A4 NURI/END DATE DEC 2025// These were to be replaced by the SUPER COUGAR H225M. See C1 above ref 1. From the next ref you’ll see where I’m heading with this. Taken from this ref 1 para 9/1st sentence “AgustaWestland also intends to bid for the replacement of the Malaysian air force’s Sea King S-61A4 helicopters, offering the AW101 as an alternative to the Eurocopter EC 725.” Much later…However after some confusion (Was there a base model and a later “NURI” updated version?) and chasing a ghost helo I have fixed the above and removed a copy request below no longer there. Alright the S-61A4 NURI is receiving a modernization pkg. which appears to have just begun or is about to. This is why I requested the above date change. It will obviously at a later date require a new unit and possibly a later date change to mark the retirement of the current unit, should it occur before 2025. I haven’t found any newer refs on that upgrade status of this helo. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ng-even-better http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/...licopters.html https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/d...raft-upgrades/ FYI: I need more time to put together the information I need to come up with a viable solution the export version of the AH-64E GUARDIAN. I’m looking at a hybrid version of both the USA AH-64D (Latest mod.) and the current AH-64E. I believe I know what the needs are but need to figure out which countries it would be applied to. I know for the “hybrid” applies to India which actually a couple of years ago lead me to this issue, but what about say Britain, Taiwan (They got them first and already have them.) and ROK. I need to resolve this. I’ll work on it, let you know when it’s ready and let you decide if it can be worked in or not for the next patch. MBT’s CHANGE: C1. Ukraine/UNIT 064/OPLOT-M/TI-GSR 50// Several years back around the time I submitted the AH-64E GUARDIAN and ABRAMS SEP V2 I posted some questions regarding the whole TI/GSR issue as these were getting more advanced and how to make them work within the game. At the time we set the upper limit at 60 which given our battle ground size currently is more than viable. I compiled a list of tanks based on further research of their FCSystems by memory (I believe the list included 10 or so tanks. All this was posted in the MBT Thread. and with their updated numbers, Japan TYPE 10/50, Britain CHALLENGER 2 TES/50, Latest German LEOPARD 2A6/60 (ATTICA), Russian ARMATA/60. Then I had 3 that required a “deeper” look the French LeClerc, Ukraine OPLOT-M and Italian ARETE. The first two made it by ~200m and the ARETE was “on the money” at 40 (2 or 3 upgrade pkgs. were put together, but all fell through.). I guess I never brought theOPLOT-M back into the spotlight? Now the lights are on. C2. Thailand/UNIT 019/OPLOT-T/TI-GSR 50// Well blame the Russian incursion in the Ukraine. They did receive all the tanks ordered this past fall. But due to the Ukraine’s defense issues the orders had slowed down significantly. Once the initial concerns over the tank having an auto loader, they’ve since been very impressed with the tank and its reliability. The crisis came along and forced Thailand to look elsewhere to fulfill its 250 modern tank role. As Don has indicated you’ll see the Chinese VT-4 in the next patch as the tank chosen to fill the gap. I still feel there will be a showdown between the two tanks. This situation was actually good for the Ukraine as they went from 10 OPLOT-M tanks to estimates now at around 150 -200 tanks in the field now and maybe an opportunity depending on the performance of the VT-4, to get back into Thailand to sell them more OPLOT’s or the improved version that we might see in the game. http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/...s-oplot-t.html https://asian-defence-news.blogspot....ivered-to.html https://land.dfns.net/2017/12/12/roy...e-oplot-tanks/ Pics: Second is a RTA VT-4. Attachment 15093 Attachment 15094 All pics are of national origin. 4:15am and I am so dead!?! ;) Regards, Pat :capt: |
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We've had a few of those, I even managed to slip into the bed undetected, how do I know this? When I did wake up, I wasn't asked the dreaded question "So what time did you come to bed this morning?". For you younger folks if you are asked this, you might be able to shave a few minutes off your answer but, know you're busted!! Alright one thing I do know about Don was he really likes making Icons and updating pictures when he can. Regarding Icons I'll leave that to him and the several others of you who have the talent to do that. But I like the picture "work" myself as well I feel the equipment and those using them, should be shown in their "working" environment and by nationality if it allows. I also like movement in the pictures I've submitted over the years, because that's what the game is about movement constantly forward using all the compass bearings (Some knew that was coming!) and not "static displays" if it can be avoided. Those are what you find in museums etc. Alright here are the first of my submissions as a supplement to my Patch Post in order of submission: A1. Embraer A-1M AMX The left one being my favorite and titled as such for context. These I know are the A-1M AMX, there aren't many pictures available of the newer type and you can tell the older ones apart by the A1 on the tail also, where these pictures are located within the below ref as well in the A-1M AMX section. https://spark.adobe.com/page/LzMQV/ Attachment 15101 Attachment 15102 C1. Brazil/UNIT 153/F-5EM// This next for the curious is to simply show what I was talking about concerning the nose cone configuration of this as noted. You'll see the 20mm cannon located on the PORT SIDE on the STBD SIDE I think that to be either a cooling intake for the air/ground attack radar or a weather condition sensor for the FCS much as are used on the more modern tanks these days for the same purpose. Attachment 15103 C2. Israel/UNITS 308-311/A-4E/F/H/N to include “AYIT” at end of name/See A1//. Here is just an FYI A-4 AYIT configuration chart for these planes. Due the picture limitations I'll post pictures for UNITS 308-310 immediately after this is posted, two of them are from IAF files from the YOM KUPPOR War as annotated. Attachment 15105 All others up to this point had pictures already submitted where needed. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Alright the chart got me straight, I'll make a distinction of the following as early and late versions of the AYIT based on the engine nozzle issue I discussed per the refs concerning these planes. This will close out the picture submissions for the Jets and Planes section of my inputs. Again all others already submitted in the Patch Post. C2. Israel/UNITS 308-311/A-4E/F/H/N to include “AYIT” at end of name/See A1//. For... UNIT 308/A-4E SKYHAWK II AYIT (UNSURE) (War) Attachment 15106 UNIT 309/A-4F SKYHAWK II AYIT (LATE) Attachment 15107 UNIT 310/A-4H SKYHAWK II AYIT (EARLY) (War) Attachment 15108 The next is one I bought modified as a two seater to get CINCLANTFLTHOME up to Va. to see the daughters family. It certainly avoids that I-95 traffic!! We can get there in little over and hour vice 9hrs on the road on a good day. Attachment 15109 Well at least she (Me too! Shhh!) wishes I had one!?! :D I'll try to get those helo ones as soon as I can. I almost forgot again!!! Here's my THANK YOU to everyone...And remember you shouldn't leave home without it!?! https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...289D&FORM=VIRE Good Night everyone! Regards, Pat :capt: |
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Well this was a tougher than anticipated from making sure it's from the right country (You target your search by country and still manage to everyone else as well.), movement and other details. I tried to choose the best (From Google & Bing images.) for each and I hope I got it close to right. Some countries (Brazil) I couldn't find one with weapons in the following as submitted in the Patch Post. Note I took the time to include Country and UNIT #'s in the pictures, therefore the pictures are in order as you read it from the original submissions below.
Pic supplement #3 for the 2017/2018 Campaign HELO News game related. ADD: A1. Thailand/JUN 2015/SUPER COUGAR H225M/COPY REVISED Brazil UNIT 129/UNDER “CHANGE” see C1 FOR FURTHER DATA// C1. France UNIT 520 UP ARMORED/Malaysia UNIT 664 UP ARMORED/Brazil UNIT129 also START DATE JUN 2011/Indonesia UNIT 129/TO SUPER COUGAR H225M/ADD PORT AND STARBRD FN MAG 60-30 MG w/ 250 or 1000RD DRUMS/LEAVE ALL OTHER STATS AS IS/EXCEPT AGAIN Brazils new start date above// A1. Thailand: Attachment 15115 C1. France already submitted for the PP. Malaysia: Attachment 15116 Brazil: Attachment 15117 Indonesia: Attachment 15118 MBT’s CHANGE: C1. Ukraine/UNIT 064/OPLOT-M/TI-GSR 50// Attachment 15119 This finishes off the pictures pertaining strictly to the Patch Post as noted above. The following I'll be submitting (Pictures) are to varying degrees associated with this last submission, others are not, i.e. the USN SKYHAWKS are flying for another country I stumbled into. But those are as your time allows of course, but the products are at least "in the can". Regards, Pat :capt: |
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These again as indicated are only if you have the time. I'll address each "back story" below together and submit the picture(s) after the comments section, by it's above corresponding number. Again each picture is labeled by Country and UNIT #'s as required.
1. While hunting a better picture for the OPLOT-M UNIT 064 (Submitted) I noticed UNIT 061/T-84 OPLOT had an OPLOT-M picture. Concerning UNIT 063/OPLOT+ I'd rename it the OPLOT-M which it really is. The older name is confusing and at odds with the refs in general as provided in sequence of development below. http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t84.htm http://www.military-today.com/tanks/oplot.htm http://www.military-today.com/tanks/oplot_m.htm 2. It seemed on most search's I conducted for the EC 725 now SUPER COUGAR H225M, pictures of the Swiss COUGAR kept showing up, so I followed the trail. :doh: Why is coming up in my searches? Did the Swiss buy the SUPER COUGAR H225M recently? Now you know why it took so long to filter through those pictures I submitted in my last Post. I forgot before there was a "Super Cougar" there was a "Cougar" the results where also showing up for them as well which is what the Swiss are using. It's fairly easy to filter them out, they don't have the more advanced nose FLIR turret and if I remember the side window count or configuration was slightly different. Along with a new picture (The one it has appears to be from Brazil.), I recommend the following CHANGE... Switzerland/UNIT 222/COUGAR AS532 TOW// 3. Australia has the USN flying support missions for them with their A-4 SKYHAWKS. This came up while looking into an helicopter issue I've had on the books for a longtime to be somewhat addressed later with updated pictures at least initially, for the following UNITS 285-287. That's the USN Power Projection World Wide (USNPPWW)! :p PICTURES BY THE NUMBERS ABOVE... 1. Ukraine/UNIT 061/T-84 OPLOT : Attachment 15120 2. Switzerland/UNIT 222/COUGAR AS532 TOW: Attachment 15121 3. Australia/UNITS 285-287/A-4G SKYHAWK/As posted in unit number order//: Attachment 15122 Attachment 15123 Attachment 15124 Those seem to represent either their major Naval Squadrons or their only ones. I've not had the time to check. I thought I had found some great RAAF pictures of them, however, upon closer examination they had KIWI's on the tail section (New Zealand) vice the KANGAROO's (Australia). So yes unlike when I submitted that NH-90 Helo for New Zealand a few years back, at least this time, I stopped myself. :) What's left are some Australian helo pictures (Tigers) replacing the general shot with ones actually using the weapons assigned them in the OOB. Without digging for more, as presented in number order, a couple of the pictures are set to be used for a couple of units in the OOB. I also have some really GREAT Swiss F-5 pictures to replace the drawings of the same. One shows a fly by of the Matterhorn, really cool! Again, I've labeled those by Country and UNIT(s) numbers. Except me going beyond my stated mission goals, I hope the way the data has been presented thus far is easier then in past submissions for all concerned. Regards, Pat :capt: |
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