Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

OP updated.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

BTW, YARG3 is now recruiting. You are all invited to join :)

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Hosting postponed for DeadhouseGatesI by 24 hours. The game will now host at 18:10 GMT on Sunday September 4th.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

llamaserver is back online. I hope no one staled.

We all just got turn 45 but the server thinks we already sent .2h files. If not thanks to waiting for Itza's turn we'd all have sateld. See:
Itza Waiting for 2h file
Bretonnia 2h file received
Nehekhara 2h file received
Skavenblight 2h file received
Ogre Kingdom 2h file received
Dwarfs 2h file received
Sylvania 2h file received

Naturally, I turned off quickhost for this turn. I will manually host the game at 12:08 GMT on Monday September 12th unless asked for an extension.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Hosting postponed for DeadhouseGatesI by 12 hours. The game will now host at 00:15 GMT on Wednesday September 21st.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

A player has requested a few day's extension due to RL reasons. I've turned off quick host until he's back.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Hi WL,

I see that the quick host is still off, but just in case I wanted to let you know that I won't be able to get the current turn in for another 24 hours or so.

Thanks

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Quickhost back on. 24h added.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Lizardmen have found their doom at the gate of the Great Pyramid.
GL! :)

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Lizardmen, a noble and courageous race. The knights of Bretonnia are humbled after being repeatedly defeated by their inexorable armies.
Kudos to the Lizardmen emperor for extracting a heavy toll for each centimeter of territory lost.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Guys, alas Aethyr will not be able to cont. playing. His computer is broken and he will not be able to fix it anytime soon :(

Since we're so few left I think each is crucial and going AI may have a strong negative impact on the game.
That is why I'll add some extensions to allow time for finding a sub.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

With no sub forthcoming I'm afraid will need to switch Skaven to AI :(

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

No sub yet. I suggest we wait a few more days. if no sub is found then we switch skaven to AI.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

What news of skaven?

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

No sub. We will have to turn it AI :(

I guess we could wait a couple of days more if you guys are ok with this.

I turned quick host off of course.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

A sub would be much better than an AI at this stage of the game. I've been trying to interest people on IRC, but no one has bit yet.

I'm ok with waiting a few more days =P

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Err... why did this game host? I was assuming it was going to be delayed more so we could do *something* about skaven.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

I turned off quick host (and added 3 days). I was under the impression that this will prevent hosting. Damn :mad:

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

See the admin log:
"
16:51 GMT on Sunday October 30th Hosting delayed by 120 hours.
08:26 GMT on Wednesday November 2nd Quickhost turned off.
"

I've added 4 days: "Hosting postponed for DeadhouseGatesI by 96 hours. The game will now host at 05:25 GMT on Sunday November 13th."

I'll refresh the post in the sub thread and I do hope we'll manage to find a sub. I would much prefer that to AI.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

I staled because it hosted unexpectedly last night. That doesn't make me very happy, especially considering I'm in a war.

I do need to talk to whomever the new skaven player ends up being before i actually take my turn.

I'd appreciate a rollback if this can be accomplished without issue. I know, rollbacks suck, but this stale wasn't my fault.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

let's do the math.
a. Last turn message:
"
Hello! Please find the attached turn file - Bretonnia turn 57 for the game DeadhouseGatesI.

The next 2h file is due in by 05:24 GMT on Monday October 31st.
"

b. admin log:
"
16:51 GMT on Sunday October 30th Hosting delayed by 120 hours.
" so 5 days added which brings us 05:24 GMT on Saturday so the time was right, it just that quick host was off so AFAIK it shouldn't have hosted.

re. roll back. I'm not at war so I don't mind, nor effected, as player. As admin. I really object to roll backs, the mere option of rollback can bring a lot of noise & arguments.
However, considering that there's a big war going on and that an entire side, comprised of three nations, has staled there's certainly reason to roll back.
A possible problem is that the stalers can see the non staler moves and counter them. This will give them an unfair advantage, unless perhaps the non staler could also resend his turn.
I'm not sure what's the right thing to do and I'd really appreciate everyone's opinions.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

I haven't looked at my turn, fwiw.

I guarantee skaven hasn't looked at his turn. =P

You as much as said you were extending again in thread, so there was no reason to expect it to host last night.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

I did, but I thought quick host off would take care of that. I should have played it safe and just add a few more days :(

As for rollback I think the circumstances warrant one. I'd just like to hear the other players out before making such a decision. At least Catquiet's since he's the one standing to lose most from this.

let's put it that way. We will rollback unless some solid argument is made against it during the next 24 hours.

Squirrelloid, does that make sense to you?

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

I suppose. I'm going to go ahead and delete the new turn email - i can request a resend if we end up playing it, and that way i can't look at it ever if we rollback.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

I would rather lose a fair fight than win due to an uneven playing field. Go ahead with the rollback.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

ok. In that case I can proceed right ahead to rollback.

All, please ignore the current turn and delete the.trn and .h if you already D/Led it.
Edit: If you already sent your turn the first time around I think there's no need to resend. You could resend just in case.
If you staled then use the new turn #57 to play your turn.

It should be out fairly soon.

Edit2: for all the rollback hassle & skaven sub hunt I'll give another 4d extension.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Here's the detailed explanation from the server:
"
DeadhouseGatesI: Roll back to previous turn
This will cause the game to return to the previous turn.

Note that I generally recommend not doing this. The main reason for this is the fact that players have already seen the current turn, and so they know what would happen given the set of moves they used last time. Hence, consciously or not, they are very likely to use this information to change their actions next time they submit a turn. Even assuming none of the players' actions are affected, there will always be a suspicion in the mind of the other players if battles turn out significantly differently. Therefore just in the interest of having the game feel completely fair, I think rollbacks are a bad idea.

A further reason is a difficulty with game file confusion. Imagine turn 10 has just come out, and someone starts to play the turn. Then the game is rolled back to turn 9, and processed again to make a new turn 10. Unless players delete the 2h file they produced from the original turn 10, Dominions will not know to ignore it and may get seriously confused. This can cause a lot of madness, e.g. soldiers becoming commanders and gaining magic paths, and so on. So if you do do a rollback, make sure to remind players to delete their 2h files.

Having said that, there are situations where rollbacks are called for, which is why I've included the option here.

Read this next bit carefully. I seem to be having difficulties explaining it coherently:

Note that once the game is rolled back, it will appear that the game is waiting for 2h files from all players. However, the 2h files from last time the turn was played will in fact be there, and will be used if the game hosts without them being overwritten. This can be useful; often, a game is rehosted in order for only one or two players to retake their turns, while everyone else is expected to make no changes. The game admin can therefore wait till just those players have submitted, and then force hosting. None of the other players will stale (assuming they actually submitted a 2h file last time the turn was played).

I hope all that makes sense!
"

The deed is done.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Hosting postponed for DeadhouseGatesI by 96 hours. The game will now host at 05:25 GMT on Thursday November 17th.

Let it be clear so none will stale again.
There will be no further rollback (unless something will go terribly wrong with this one).

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

There's no sub for skaven yet. I think we've waited enough and regrettably I am forced to turn it to AI. I will do so this time tomorrow unless one magically comes.
I'm sorry but I'd rather lose one nation than forfeit the game by keeping it stuck forever.

And to all who staled, I kindly remind you to send your turns. As I said, there will not be a 2nd rollback (unless the 1st one screws things up badly).

Let's get this game rolling again.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Last call to send your turns. I'll be hosting soon. 17 days for one turn are more than enough.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Did you remember to turn Skaven to AI?

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Yep :)

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Catquiet, did you see evidence of Skaven not being AI?- As in doing nothing?
I sent a turn to the server with the turn AI command. It should have caught.

BTW, does anyone have any idea why Stagger Lee staled?- He actually staled once, then we rolled back and waited a lot and he staled again. has he gone AWOL?

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

The llamaserver says "Skavenblight Waiting for 2h file" and it is still listed as human in pretenders of the world. I thought those would have changed when it was switched to AI.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

I'm not AWOL, I thought it wasn't hosting til the 17th. I got a little busy, and wasn't checking every day. And the rollback wasn't for me, I hate those things. My turns aren't quick and my ally in this war can't continue. Oh well ...

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Catquiet, I checked and you're right. It turns out I can't send the turn AI command from my laptop. The server rejected my command due to some CD key violation error, I assume it resents the fact that I sent both Bretonn & Skaven turns with same key.

I actually have two dom disks (yes, I bought it once more to support IW), however my other computer died long ago. I will ask another player to do so.

Stagger Lee, I was just concerned. Thank you for posting and for continuing to play.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Is it just me or did the rollback started messing everybody's turns?

I see commanders appearing and disappearing, same for items. It's not all over the place but I seem to notice that things are not quite as I left them.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

I did, but then I just deleted my .2h file and started from scratch, and everything seems as it should be.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

This seems to be the fuzziest part of the rollback process. If the old 2h is present, the game adds to it. If that 2h is from a turn that was rolled back, some unit ids are different. If that 2h is then further built upon, the id conflicts propagate.

If no old 2h is present, an entirely new one is created. If all players delete the old 2h, the risk of conflicting ids is greatly reduced, if not eliminated. Or so I've heard ...

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

I tried that (deleting the .2h file). It doesn't help.
Looks like something in the .trn or ftherlnd DNA is screwed due to rollback, hence I see strange stuff like for example my knights converting into maidens and vice versa and more twilight zone stuff.

Make me question the decision to rollback, but well what's done is done.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Can reminders be set to 24hrs plz? :(

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Reminders will now be sent 24 hours before hosting to any players who have not yet submitted their turns.
Please note that this information will not be updated on the game admin page for a few minutes.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 7/9 players remain
 

Its too bad I just do the vanilla version. (no CBM...)

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 5/9 players remain
 

There is server trouble, can you delay the hosting?

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 5/9 players remain
 

Hosting postponed for DeadhouseGatesI by 24 hours. The game will now host at 06:10 GMT on Sunday December 4th.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 5/9 players remain
 

Hosting postponed by 48h due to server issues.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 5/9 players remain
 

Could you turn off quickhost for this turn as well? The game page says 2h file received for Nehekhara when I haven't sent anything in yet.

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 5/9 players remain
 

Ok, that stale was my fault, but i sort of expected a reminder email, which i never got, so blah. =P

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 5/9 players remain
 

"Reminder e-mails: Send 24 hours before hosting"
Are you sure you didn't get a reminder?

I'm sorry to hear that you staled :(

Re: DHG - Deadhouse Gates. Non NewB. 5/9 players remain
 

absolutely sure i didn't get a reminder.

Llamaserver has been kind of schizophrenic about sending me turns for some other games as well in the last week. *shrug*?