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Szumo March 9th, 2012 03:23 AM

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Unless i hear some objections, i'm going to listen to Bwaha's suggestion and switch the game to 48h with quickhost off sometime during the weekend.

Bwaha March 9th, 2012 02:21 PM

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Rylah, its silly that you want to continue...

I'd like you to release me from our nap...

I'm giving notice now anyway...

Admiral_Aorta March 9th, 2012 05:47 PM

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You guys be quiet, we're busy annoying atlantis to the death.

sansanjuan March 9th, 2012 07:31 PM

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[quote=Szumo;798005]EA Arco doesn't have elephants :)
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Yeah.. But how the heck did you get indy elephants by turn 6??

What's between an elephant's toes?
Answer : slow running Abysians... ;)

-ssj

Szumo March 13th, 2012 07:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sansanjuan (Post 798080)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 798005)
EA Arco doesn't have elephants :)

Yeah.. But how the heck did you get indy elephants by turn 6??

What's between an elephant's toes?
Answer : slow running Abysians... ;)

-ssj

Those were mercenary elephants (Hannibal).

sansanjuan March 13th, 2012 08:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 798419)
Quote:

Originally Posted by sansanjuan (Post 798080)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 798005)
EA Arco doesn't have elephants :)

Yeah.. But how the heck did you get indy elephants by turn 6??

What's between an elephant's toes?
Answer : slow running Abysians... ;)

-ssj

Those were mercenary elephants (Hannibal).

:doh:
In a dozen mp games I've only bought Mercs once for a forging need. Overlooking mercs is certainly a weak spot in my game... I can see the dividends for early expansion.
ssj

GFSnl March 18th, 2012 04:41 PM

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Sorry for the stales and half finished turns.

I just don't have the time to do these long games.
I always hated it when someone just didn't plan on doing long turns in advance but it seems I'm in that position now. It's just crazy at work for the foreseeable future and I just can't manage it.
Please pause, and I'll make a post to look for a sub.

Szumo March 20th, 2012 02:02 AM

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Game paused. Let's hope you find a sub soon.

Bennett March 27th, 2012 02:44 PM

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Hello Everyone

I have taken over control of Mictlan from GFSnl. So please can you send all diplomatic messages concerning Mictlan to me from now on. I have only just had my forum account activated (or I would have posted here earlier), and I have turned on the "use PM system" option, so I should be able to receive PM's. If it doesn't work though, then I can be contacted on the Dom3mods forum.

I have sent in the current turn for Mictlan (several hours ago actually), and also sent an in-game message to all nations informing them of Mictlan's change of ruler, and several other in-game messages to nations I have been told (by GFSnl) that have current diplomatic agreements with Mictlan. But if you do not get an in-game message from Mictlan this coming turn (besides the general message I sent to everyone), then I am not aware of any diplomatic agreement between Mictlan and your nation. As such please don't blame me later if I inadvertantly break an agreement I didn't know existed.

And I hope I can make a good enough show of myself in a game that looks as if a lot of nations are fairly evenly matched.

Bwaha March 28th, 2012 04:11 PM

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Okay we have the replacement. Can we get this in motion?

Newtons law. Lets get this moving before it just gets stuck...

Szumo March 28th, 2012 04:29 PM

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Welcome to the game Bennett. I'm unpausing the game - if i don't screw up it should host on Friday and then we're back to regular 48h schedule.

Bwaha March 28th, 2012 06:29 PM

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Thanks for joining us...

:D

Pan your free spawn is impressive..

But ABY...

Bwaha April 1st, 2012 10:03 PM

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Right, I thought that gargoyles were immune to petrifaction...

Note to all others... They're not...

Enjoy that loot...

I think I'll just rely on old drain life to terminate Lugie...

:p

Just teasing...

:D

Admiral_Aorta April 1st, 2012 11:16 PM

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They're immune to the area petrification of the stone sword but I guess gorgon petrify works differently.

Excist April 3rd, 2012 09:09 AM

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Can I get a 12h extension?

Szumo April 6th, 2012 02:28 PM

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Sorry Excist, i did not get notification of your message. I assume you don't need the extensions anymore as you have already uploaded you turn?
Next time, please send me a PM too.

Excist April 6th, 2012 03:23 PM

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That message was from a couple of turns ago and I think you did delay it actually.

Szumo April 7th, 2012 05:40 AM

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Ok then :)

Bwaha April 7th, 2012 11:22 PM

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I'm thinking of a auction...

One Gate Stone...

Silent bids, the winner will not be revealed...

High bid wins this prize...

What is your offer???

:D

Admiral_Aorta April 8th, 2012 01:14 AM

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Why would you ever give away the Gate Stone?

Excist April 8th, 2012 02:42 AM

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Well, technically it is auctioning and not giving...

And because Bwaha is one of the silent bidders who won't be announced after he wins the bid.

I suspect he is just curious what people will offer him in exchange. ;)

Admiral_Aorta April 8th, 2012 04:30 AM

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I bid three water gems and some dead fish.

Bwaha April 8th, 2012 12:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Excist (Post 800975)
Well, technically it is auctioning and not giving...

And because Bwaha is one of the silent bidders who won't be announced after he wins the bid.

I suspect he is just curious what people will offer him in exchange. ;)

1. If I get a bid that is overwhelming I might consider it...

2. Yeah, I'm likely to keep it...

3. Get out of my head... :p

:D

Excist April 8th, 2012 12:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwaha (Post 801020)

3. Get out of my head... :p

:D

How about you stop being so predictable ;)


Speaking of which, would you like to play Poker?

Bwaha April 8th, 2012 09:52 PM

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Your asking me if I want to play poker...

:confused:

Sure, when's the next time your in the central coast?

I'm very happy to play on Wednesday nights...

We have been known to play poker a couple times a year...

Think of it, a bunch of bumpkins ready to fleece...

:D

I like dime challenge myself...

They don't...

Bwaha April 15th, 2012 07:10 PM

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Right. Arco consider our nap to be done.

I will conduct warfare starting on turn 68.

:D

Szumo April 16th, 2012 12:30 PM

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Hosting postponed at the request of Benett

Bwaha April 16th, 2012 10:59 PM

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Storm devils...

:D

Szumo April 17th, 2012 02:58 PM

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Hosting was postponed another 24 hours - this time i can't make the deadline, sorry.

Bennett April 22nd, 2012 08:16 AM

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To Szumo

I have just noticed that you are advertising for a substitute for your position in this game (and one other game), but I can only speak for myself and say I think it would be sad and a real shame if you had to lose all the time you have put into playing this game, and miss out on the possible reward for getting your nation to one of the top positions.

So would it help you to keep playing if the game had a longer playing time than it does now? Or will extra time not really solve your current time problems? I've only played a few turns as a substitute, so not sure how much say I can have not being one of the original players. But I would not mind having less turns each week if it meant we could keep a player who has played from the start of the game, and who is in with a good chance of winning. Since I think it is not unreasonable for someone to be given a chance to try and get the reward from their good play by the other players agreeing to longer turns if it helps.

And sorry if I've spoken out of place, but thought it best if it helps save a player from having to leave the game. As that seems the worst outcome :(

Admiral_Aorta April 22nd, 2012 11:08 PM

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Hahaha, Atlantis got domkilled. Now we get to finally rule the seas unchallenged! Of course, we can't really do much with no research above 6...

Szumo April 24th, 2012 03:01 AM

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I'll be on a trip from 27th April till 4th May (this Friday till next one). It is unlikely (though possible) that i'll be able to make turns during that time. I'll be able to go on until the end after that - just not at the level of micromanagement that I would like to.

I tried looking to (pernament) sub for one or both of my current games but so far the thread has 61 views and no replies, so i doubt anyone will come forward - guess you guys are stuck with me ;)

It would certainly help if we switched to longer schedule (with quickhost turned back on).

Bennett April 24th, 2012 04:01 AM

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To Szumo

The only other MP game I have played so far recently had a 3 week pause to accommodate a player who was moving house, and there were no problems there with the game resuming after the break.

So maybe ask the other players if they are happy to put the game on half-pause for a week by changing the turn limit to a one week timer (with quickhost on as you mention) so that you are not forced to miss any turns, and then if you can play turns during that week then the game will still be active pretty much as normal. And if you can not play turns then the game will just be paused for a week (which is not the end of the world or the game).

I know I would have no objections to this if it allowed you to stay in the game, and a week isn't really that long at all, and certainly not long enough to lose a player in a PBEM game over (or to force a player to miss a turn at a critical stage of the game for him).

Can I please ask what the other players think about this?

mockingbird April 24th, 2012 08:59 AM

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I am fine with pausing during Szumo's trip.

Excist April 24th, 2012 11:11 AM

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Thirded.

Admiral_Aorta April 24th, 2012 07:16 PM

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Pangaea is going to blood sac everyone out of existence if not killed soon, just a heads up. Also I don't mind waiting for Szumo to return from his trip.

dojango April 25th, 2012 03:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral_Aorta (Post 802697)
Pangaea is going to blood sac everyone out of existence if not killed soon, just a heads up. Also I don't mind waiting for Szumo to return from his trip.

you're joking, right? we're all going to be crushed beneath the iron boots of Arco's mrymidons long before you're even threatened by my dominion.

Bwaha April 25th, 2012 04:38 PM

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No prob.

Say, sorry about that Pan.

I was hunting that Arco beasty...

You can take that province back...

Btw I do like those Grendels...

Yow, I want some of them... ;)

Admiral_Aorta April 25th, 2012 05:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dojango (Post 802755)

you're joking, right? we're all going to be crushed beneath the iron boots of Arco's mrymidons long before you're even threatened by my dominion.

Well the dominion graph says otherwise.

Szumo April 26th, 2012 09:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwaha (Post 802761)
No prob.

Say, sorry about that Pan.

I was hunting that Arco beasty...

You can take that province back...

Btw I do like those Grendels...

Yow, I want some of them... ;)

Your water gems paid for 2 of those :)

And Myrmidons wear bronze boots, not iron :)

TigerBlood April 26th, 2012 03:26 PM

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I have no Zmey counters and will likely get curbstomped before I can produce any effective counters. Marverni is going AI.

Szumo April 26th, 2012 06:10 PM

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Paralyze spam from your druids should be good enough against Zmeys.

And mass Stellar Cascades will most certainly work against them.
Not to mention Gifts from Heaven.

Bennett April 27th, 2012 04:20 AM

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To TigerBlood

I think it is very disrespectful to me (as your foe) and to all the other players to simply walk out of the game like you have done. Especially when you still had significant resources left to fight on with IMO (plenty of mages and troops, and last turn you had 16 provinces, 5 forts, 1193 gold income, 43 gem income, which is a lot of resources).

I only recently started playing multi player games, and I did so for no other reason than wanting to fight against human opponents rather than computer ones. As I can do that anytime by playing single player games. This is the only game I am playing on these forums, but I know that the other forum I am playing on (Dom3mods) takes a very strict stance against players turning themselves computer controlled. I only hope that you are an exception to the normal players on these forums.

Sure your position was tough, but you are not going to learn anything by just quitting when things get difficult, and there are several counters to the three! Zmeys I was using against you in that army. As if they were such a problem to you why did you not trade for a Storm Staff with one of the three strong Air nations still in the game? Or use the Air mages I have seen that you have to cast Storm? As Storm seems to shut down a Zmey very quickly from what I understand, so you had available at least two easy options to deal with them. (and the ones that Szumo mentions)

Next time can you please have some consideration for the other players who are playing in the same game as you, and remember that some players are only playing multi player games because they do not want to play against computer controlled nations.

Admiral_Aorta April 27th, 2012 04:31 AM

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Anoyone who quits a game while being in that good a position over a bit of raiding isn't worth playing with, really. The simple solution is to not include him in games in the future.

Soyweiser April 27th, 2012 07:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TigerBlood (Post 802821)
I have no Zmey counters and will likely get curbstomped before I can produce any effective counters. Marverni is going AI.

All the druids can cast gifts of heaven. ALL of them. This nation has 2 research targets. Summon earthpower (conj 3) and Gifts of heaven (evo 5). That make them kill basically everything.

(Getting thaum 1 for communions, and alt 1 for eagle eyes, and earth grip is a bonus. But you only need conj 1 to hold a SC rush (tangle vines) and your own troops can stop a lot of sacred rushes).

Evo 1 gives the star gazers star fires, (also for the S random gutauters. (AN damage, always nice). And the water random gutauters slime. evo 2 gives vine arrow, so you can use your nature gutauters for that. So early game you only need evo 1 or conj 1.

This is all year 2 stuff. Or year 3 if you have some bad luck.

And even in the late game, 2 gutuaters with pd can use tangle vines to hold fast a zmey. Or a druid can cast alt 2 earth meld to stop the zmeys. (so you need alt 2 or conj 1).

Thaum has soul slay, mind burn, paralyze etc. All castable with your druids.

So unless the only thing you researched is construction, enchantment or blood. You should have ways of stopping the zmey. And every zmey killed is a large F gem investment removed.

You really have none of this?

Zmeys have no way of getting quickness without mage support, so a mage casting holdspells inside a large block of infantry is going to stop the zmey. Heck you only need 2 gutauters. As you probably have an earth blessing. Put them both in a large block of pd, have one cast blessing, the other tangle vines, and keep spamming tangle vines until the zmey is dead. (beaten to death by the pd).

TigerBlood April 27th, 2012 08:13 AM

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Zmey's are not the major issue. They are preventing me from dealing with the the 100+ Jaguar warriors and chaff backed by a unique and other mages. Plus at least 1 tart raider from mictlan.

No disrespect to Ghoul either, his Dai Oni have ripped the hell out of my defensive force for the last 15 turns or so.

I can't focus my attention on one while ignoring the other. Gifts From Heaven, paralyse and other spells simply will not cut it, as I lack the resources to spam against Mictlan due to attrition from Yomi. I have 3 druids capable of dropping a turn 1 Gifts from Heaven. Even if I can get them to a battlefield with a chaff screen to stop them getting killed by Zmey, they're going to get taken out or suffer a forced rout by Mictlan's other mages in short order.

Call it disrespectful if you want. I call it pragmatic. I'm not going to be able to prevent defeat and I'm not going to learn anything by getting overrun. I overextended against Yomi and Miclan hit hard. Continuing to submit turns will not alter the outcome.

Admiral_Aorta April 27th, 2012 08:17 AM

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So why didn't you tell us you couldn't cope and look for a sub?

TigerBlood April 27th, 2012 08:48 AM

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Why would I ask someone to sub when I have already been defeated? This is not an academic debate, it's simple math. Checkmate in 5 moves, so to speak. I could not change the outcome if I wished to. Why would someone want to step into that position?

I assure you, Marverni's position is not salvageable. If I had the resources to put up a good fight, I would stay in the game. Unfortunately, I have lost significant resources already and will not be able to recover sufficient force in time to deal with 2 hosile nations.

Getting your panties in a twist because I had to courtesy to explain why I was going AI, instead of simply bailing, is ridiculous.

Bennett April 27th, 2012 11:05 AM

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To TigerBlood

You are not being pragmatic, you are being selfish. This game is not like chess where when you have no peaces you can do nothing but wait for checkmate. We have only had two battles so far, and I have not battled against the majority of your forces yet (according to the graphs). Plus I am a new player and so certainly capable of making mistakes (I know this as every turn I can see many mistakes I made with the orders I did). And most importantly there are other nations in the game so that could mean many different outcomes are possible to our war, either by me being attacked using up my resources, or by someone attacking you to get your lands before I do, and end up fighting me in the process, giving you a chance to fight back. Saying you can not prevent defeat at such an early stage in our war is simply not possible to do given all the variables. You can say your chances are limited, but after just two battles you can not be as certain about the final outcome as you are claiming to be. (I don't see how anyone can at such an early stage and when so much can happen to effect the result)

If all players involved in sporting/gaming competitions simply gave up and conceeded defeat the moment they had to play a difficult match or game, then there would not be all the many stories of underdogs overcoming the odds to win famous victories against superior opposition. So if as you say you will not learn nothing by defeat then are you saying everyone should also give up and become computer controlled once they have lost a few fights. Or give up anytime something is difficult. I am sorry but that makes no sense, as every sport or game I know of you always learn more from losing than winning. So I think that comment you made does nothing other than highlight your selfish nature as a player.

So I am sorry but you are wrong, and I think you have been very disrespectful to me and the other players in this game, regardless of what you personally think. As it is other people that must judge your actions, you do not get to judge your own. As you have now left me to fight against a computer player, which is neither fun or why I want to play multi player games (or why I decided to offer myself as a substitute player in this game). But you did not consider this before making your decision to become computer controlled, as you only thought of yourself when deciding.

I do not want to have arguments with people on the forum, but I do not see why or how you can just do as you want and mess the game up for another player (or players) when you feel like it. Nobody should be able to do that when they feel like it. I just hope other players on these forums read these posts of yours and decide to stop you playing in their games as a result of your selfish and disrespectful behaviour here (as Admiral_Aorta wisely suggests). While it is obvious that Dominions 3 does not have the biggest gaming community on the internet, from what I can see I think there are certainly enough players around so that losing players like you will be a good thing rather than a bad one. There are plenty of real time gaming forums filled with players with your attitude, so may I suggest you go there as you will feel more at home with other players of your type.

Admiral_Aorta April 27th, 2012 06:58 PM

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but you see, the math facts clearly indicate that i will lose and therefore,


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