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revenant2 April 10th, 2012 08:13 PM

Re: MP: New Noob Game/Inexperienced. EA - NOOBAPHOBIA Filled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 801206)
Bummer. I thought my Pretender would join the battle. Instead he went inside the castle. What gives!!

You've got the inside track now to knock me out.

Good fight you brought!

Don't underestimate my ability to steal defeat from the jaws of victory.

curtadams April 10th, 2012 11:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 801206)
Bummer. I thought my Pretender would join the battle. Instead he went inside the castle. What gives!!

Default action is defend. If you click on another province with him selected, or remove magic items, he'll revert to defend. I suspect there are other similar ways to lose orders. I've lost move orders that way a few times this game but without significant consequence to date.

curtadams April 10th, 2012 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 801141)
I'm for 72 hours too - i'm about to need a lot of time for the turns now that almopst everyone and their dogs gave me NAP termination notices ;)

There's only two of us delivering NAP termination notices. :p It's our armies that seem endless, but they only fight. :D

mattyburn7 April 11th, 2012 02:56 PM

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Here's situation. Just curious if I did something wrong.

Ermor had army in Province A. I had a castle in Province B. I also had an army in Province C. I expected A to attack B. So I put everything in B on Patrol and moved my army from C to B.

What happened was Ermor did attack B. My army in B fought. But the army in C moved to B but didn't fight in battle. THey went right to defend castle.

THanks for any help on this. If I made a mistake hope to avoid in future. In this case it probably did keep my pretender from dying! LOL.

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Originally Posted by curtadams (Post 801263)
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 801206)
Bummer. I thought my Pretender would join the battle. Instead he went inside the castle. What gives!!

Default action is defend. If you click on another province with him selected, or remove magic items, he'll revert to defend. I suspect there are other similar ways to lose orders. I've lost move orders that way a few times this game but without significant consequence to date.


revenant2 April 11th, 2012 04:03 PM

Re: MP: New Noob Game/Inexperienced. EA - NOOBAPHOBIA Filled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 801344)
Here's situation. Just curious if I did something wrong.

Ermor had army in Province A. I had a castle in Province B. I also had an army in Province C. I expected A to attack B. So I put everything in B on Patrol and moved my army from C to B.

What happened was Ermor did attack B. My army in B fought. But the army in C moved to B but didn't fight in battle. THey went right to defend castle.

THanks for any help on this. If I made a mistake hope to avoid in future. In this case it probably did keep my pretender from dying! LOL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by curtadams (Post 801263)
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 801206)
Bummer. I thought my Pretender would join the battle. Instead he went inside the castle. What gives!!

Default action is defend. If you click on another province with him selected, or remove magic items, he'll revert to defend. I suspect there are other similar ways to lose orders. I've lost move orders that way a few times this game but without significant consequence to date.


I'm not sure if someone already mentioned this, but you can tell an army to move then patrol as a single action to prevent this type of situation.

Our previous battle was actually a lot closer than you thought. My communion was taking significant fatigue damage and if it had lasted a few more turns, I likely would have lost my communion slaves, which would have been disastrous for me.

mattyburn7 April 11th, 2012 04:08 PM

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Cool. Thanks for the help on that!

Yea. Communions are great, but if they turn bad on fatigue, things get ugly in a hurry!

revenant2 April 11th, 2012 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 801357)
Cool. Thanks for the help on that!

Yea. Communions are great, but if they turn bad on fatigue, things get ugly in a hurry!

They are great, but they add a whole new layer of complexity on an already very complicated combat system. If you ever want to experience the full fury of micro-management hell, play MA Ermor where you get to manage both communions and undead hordes at the same time. They are pretty powerful though :)

curtadams April 12th, 2012 01:03 PM

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Default action on moving to a fort is defend, and I hate, hate, hate, that default. How often are you going to want to run inside a fort anyway? You can always help break siege from outside. The only time is when you've lost a war and are planning for an extended siege. That's rare enough I think it should take deliberation. Plus, most of the time a mistake that way just means an earlier loss. OTOH, a defend when you want a move-and-patrol frequently converts an ongoing game into a loss.

It's just intuitive that when you expect a fort to be attacked, moving in will help stop the attack. I've lost many battles in SP because I've forgotten to set "move and patrol". I'd be frustrated beyond words if I'd lost a critical MP battle because of it.

Flop April 12th, 2012 09:06 PM

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I'm just glad you guys are making these mistakes so I won't have to. :D

(although I probably will, anyway)

revenant2 April 18th, 2012 01:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flop (Post 801527)
I'm just glad you guys are making these mistakes so I won't have to. :D

(although I probably will, anyway)

Since we're talking mistakes and this is a newbie game, I could really use some help to figure out what I screwed up my not-so-brilliant defense of my pretender, El Gato Grande, who is currently in Kitty heaven.

I had scripted the following orders for him:
  1. Power of the Spheres
  2. Body Ethereal
  3. Resist Magic
  4. Summon Earthpower
  5. Solar Brilliance

The first four spells went off without a hitch, but the critical 5th spell did not for some reason. Here is what his orders looked like:

http://devnada.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/elgato.jpg

And what he looked like right before the 5th cast:

http://devnada.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/elgato2.jpg

Solar Brilliance is a level 5 astral spell with 200 fatigue, but El Gato had 9 in astral after POS, so it would have only cost him 40 fatigue to cast.

What did I do wrong?

revenant2 April 18th, 2012 01:20 AM

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I just figured it out! Power of the Spheres actually takes two astral gems -- even though the description says it takes one:

http://devnada.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/pos.jpg

This explains why some of my communions lacked a certain oomph earlier in this game. Come to think of it, they lacked a certain ooomph in my previous game, too, where certain spells weren't going off, but I didn't pay it too much attention at the time.

I wish I had known about this earlier. It probably wouldn't have made that much of a difference in this game, although it certainly would have made things much more painful for a certain Lizard Man :)

Szumo April 18th, 2012 01:28 AM

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It takes one pearl, but mages can burn more gems to temporarily boost their magic level, and sometimes casting AI does that even when it's not needed. Your pretender burned enough gems that he didn't have enough to cast Solar Brillance (which needs 2).

revenant2 April 18th, 2012 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 801962)
It takes one pearl, but mages can burn more gems to temporarily boost their magic level, and sometimes casting AI does that even when it's not needed. Your pretender burned enough gems that he didn't have enough to cast Solar Brillance (which needs 2).

Doh!

I feel like I need to go back to college to learn how this game works sometimes. Thanks for the information.

Szumo April 24th, 2012 02:55 AM

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I'll be on a trip from 27th April till 4th May (this Friday till next one). It is unlikely (though possible) that i'll be able to make turns during that time. Can we leave quickhost on but increase hosting interval for that week so i don't miss any turns?

Szumo April 24th, 2012 03:06 AM

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Btw, revenant2: I'd like more blog posts so i can comment and add my screenshots. No point keeping that any but few of the most recent hidden now, right? :)

revenant2 April 24th, 2012 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 802622)
Btw, revenant2: I'd like more blog posts so i can comment and add my screenshots. No point keeping that any but few of the most recent hidden now, right? :)

I posted 31 earlier today, and should have 32 up in a day or so. Unfortunately, I've been running into general time issues so I haven't written the narratives for the other ones yet (they take awhile to write), although I have all the screen-shots and notes in place, so they will definitely be posted at some point.

In the future remind me to never write two AARs at the same time...

mattyburn7 April 24th, 2012 07:04 AM

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Will do.I'll extend interval!

HoleyDooley April 24th, 2012 07:45 AM

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Hi ya rev2, as per your last post and a quick time check reveals, that this post is actually...."the future".

Mate, never volunteer to write two AARs simultaneously......or for that matter, at the same time.

Cheers........Always happy to help out when I'm needed.

HD

revenant2 April 24th, 2012 09:41 PM

Re: MP: New Noob Game/Inexperienced. EA - NOOBAPHOBIA Filled
 
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Originally Posted by HoleyDooley (Post 802641)
Hi ya rev2, as per your last post and a quick time check reveals, that this post is actually...."the future".

Mate, never volunteer to write two AARs simultaneously......or for that matter, at the same time.

Cheers........Always happy to help out when I'm needed.

HD

Thanks bud :)

curtadams April 25th, 2012 01:41 AM

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All the world may rejoice! Presaging his imminent ascendance, Moonson has granted the whole world the blessings of death, that all may know the joys of submission to his jaws!

Szumo April 25th, 2012 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by curtadams (Post 802716)
All the world may rejoice! Presaging his imminent ascendance, Moonson has granted the whole world the blessings of death, that all may know the joys of submission to his jaws!

I expected to see Utterdark or Burden of Time in the turn messages after this declaration, not Well of Misery ;)

Szumo April 25th, 2012 04:39 AM

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Btw Flop, did you name some other commander of yours Ming the Merciless or did I feeblemind your god? :)

curtadams April 25th, 2012 11:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 802719)
Quote:

Originally Posted by curtadams (Post 802716)
All the world may rejoice! Presaging his imminent ascendance, Moonson has granted the whole world the blessings of death, that all may know the joys of submission to his jaws!

I expected to see Utterdark or Burden of Time in the turn messages after this declaration, not Well of Misery ;)

Moonson is an honest god! He would have called that a curse of resistance, not a blessing. He's helping all understand how much better the world will be once he ascends. He has noticed a lot of resistance to that truth and hopes to speed things along.

Flop April 26th, 2012 06:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 802720)
Btw Flop, did you name some other commander of yours Ming the Merciless or did I feeblemind your god? :)

You did, but he recovered during the same turn resolution. Things move fast in the land of...weather?

But I don't mind saying I was rather disappointed with this turn. This aggression will not stand, man. :)

mattyburn7 April 27th, 2012 05:51 PM

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AND....

Ermor and Sauromatia continue their war. Its epic, its game-changing. Its the Ermor-Sautomatian war. Nobody wants to wander into our neck of the woods!

My band of warriors reminds me somewhat of the ranks of Scots at the beginning of Bravehearts. We're few, were eclectic and our days are numbered!

revenant2 April 27th, 2012 09:18 PM

Re: MP: New Noob Game/Inexperienced. EA - NOOBAPHOBIA Filled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 802928)
AND....

Ermor and Sauromatia continue their war. Its epic, its game-changing. Its the Ermor-Sautomatian war. Nobody wants to wander into our neck of the woods!

My band of warriors reminds me somewhat of the ranks of Scots at the beginning of Bravehearts. We're few, were eclectic and our days are numbered!

Damn right :) Especially not Shade Woods, which has changed hands more times than I can count.

As far as eclectic goes, the center-piece of my army is a captured Tarrasque I managed to steal from a certain Lizard Man.

I'm coming for you Amazon!

Szumo May 5th, 2012 09:34 AM

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I'm back and should manage to get my turn in time :)

mattyburn7 May 7th, 2012 09:05 PM

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Congrats: I through everything left at Ermor and he fought me off. I'm not long for this game.

Who would like to take over hosting?

curtadams May 8th, 2012 10:11 AM

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What would it require?

mattyburn7 May 8th, 2012 10:34 AM

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Adding time extensions if anyone needs it. So you have to keep an eye on the board/PM's. They may be temporary or permanent.

And then finishing the game. Llamaserver is pretty straightforward.

If you are interested I can send you the password and you can check out the admin options on llamaserver.

Szumo May 9th, 2012 03:53 AM

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Go ahead and try it curtadams. I'm being admin for another game so don't want to take this one and you're likely to to outlast me anyway :)

mattyburn7 May 9th, 2012 06:33 AM

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Remaining Players: Curtadams has officially taken over hosting duties. Please PM him and/or post here if you need anything.

Its been a fun first MP game for me.
Cheers!

Flop May 14th, 2012 04:42 PM

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Can I request a 12 hour extension? I don't think I'll have time to do my turn before wednesday afternoon/evening, so it's just to be safe. :)

curtadams May 14th, 2012 10:31 PM

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Woohoo, it worked! Turn now due 03:20 GMT on Thursday May 17th.

mattyburn7 May 15th, 2012 06:42 AM

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:up:

curtadams May 22nd, 2012 07:08 AM

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Hosting delayed 12 hours at T'ien Chi's request. The game will now host at 04:19 GMT on Wednesday May 23rd.

Flop May 25th, 2012 05:21 PM

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I'm afraid to ask, but I'm going to need an extension on the next turn (I already sent in my file for this turn), since I'll be travelling, and won't have access to my computer, until wednesday or thursday next week. If I could have an extension until, say, 15.00 GMT on thursday, that'd be awesome. I might be able to get my turn in wednesday night, but I'm not sure.

After this, my schedule should clear up a bit, so hopefully I won't need anymore extensions for a while. I'm kind of ashamed that I'm the one who keeps asking for them.

curtadams May 25th, 2012 06:55 PM

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Sure, I'll do the extension.

Flop May 26th, 2012 12:02 AM

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Great! Thanks.

revenant2 May 26th, 2012 04:28 AM

Re: MP: New Noob Game/Inexperienced. EA - NOOBAPHOBIA Filled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flop (Post 805230)
I'm afraid to ask, but I'm going to need an extension on the next turn (I already sent in my file for this turn), since I'll be travelling, and won't have access to my computer, until wednesday or thursday next week. If I could have an extension until, say, 15.00 GMT on thursday, that'd be awesome. I might be able to get my turn in wednesday night, but I'm not sure.

After this, my schedule should clear up a bit, so hopefully I won't need anymore extensions for a while. I'm kind of ashamed that I'm the one who keeps asking for them.

I'm cool from my end. Take as much time as you need. I'm having enough trouble taking my turns as it is (my other game is a massive time sink), so a bit of a break will be welcome. I might even be able to make some progress on my AAR.

curtadams May 26th, 2012 01:20 PM

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Hosting postponed for Noobaphobia by 63 hours. The game will now host at 15:18 GMT on Thursday May 31st.

Szumo June 3rd, 2012 02:23 PM

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Bow to the darkness :P

mattyburn7 June 3rd, 2012 02:41 PM

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FYI: I went AI. I don't think my 12 amazons and 1 province will matter to the world anymore :). Cheers and have fun!

revenant2 June 3rd, 2012 07:15 PM

Re: MP: New Noob Game/Inexperienced. EA - NOOBAPHOBIA Filled
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 805797)
FYI: I went AI. I don't think my 12 amazons and 1 province will matter to the world anymore :). Cheers and have fun!

Good game Matty. I might not be far behind you the way this game is going, although I refuse to die while the Lizard Man still lives :)

mattyburn7 June 3rd, 2012 07:28 PM

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Best of luck to you Rev! I look forward to seeing you in other games in the future (above and beyond BSOD!)

curtadams June 3rd, 2012 09:57 PM

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Bye Matty and thanks for the game.

Szumo June 4th, 2012 10:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mattyburn7 (Post 805814)
Best of luck to you Rev! I look forward to seeing you in other games in the future (above and beyond BSOD!)

See you in future games :)

revenant2 June 6th, 2012 02:32 PM

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Is anyone planning to dispel Utterdark?

Szumo June 7th, 2012 02:23 AM

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Why, isn't it fun? ;)

revenant2 June 8th, 2012 08:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Szumo (Post 806038)
Why, isn't it fun? ;)

Morale was already low in the ranks -- and that was when I had money to pay everyone :)


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