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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Where were all you guys when I was #2 contender and we added another level? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Below you, and wanting a shot at you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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RexTorres (Rex Enclave) vs BBegemott (Vengeful dreamers)
Turn 2408.3
King match
10 starting planets + tesco map + default

Both empires had great, maybe critical loses in the Last 20 turns. I have destroyed nine RexTorres homeworlds, but lost five. Also a couple of nice planets were destroyed by both sides. It looks like the number of ships decreased much quicker than the number of planets, so there were no combats in the Last 2 turns. Neither me nor RexTorres has large fleets causing chaos now. What keeps us fighting is the knowledge, that the opponent is experiencing the same economical difficulties.

Good news to me are that my intel projects have broken trough his CI. So I am bombarding RexTorres with Food Contamination. Also I was able to hold the 1st place since turn 60 or so, but I doubt it is a big achievement in the current situation.

I am ancient and I can say without revealing much that each of us has at least 50 clonies remaining.

So we are rebuilding our economy and military. Who will be the first to strike the final blow? I have no idea. Not yet.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I agree with Geckomlis as well. Personally I joined KOTH because I can play quick games and after finishing one I get the other soon. So I can keep the costant game number. And I do not care where I am- bottom or top. What I want is a game- quick, tough and now.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think I can handle one more game. But that's the limit for me. I do not want two more games before the others finish.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">The way I see it working, you would only need to play one more. Against Asmala. As well Rex would need to play Asmala. Asmala would be the one getting two more games, but sinec he currently has no game, hopefully that wouldn't be a problem.

What would happen next would depend on who won which games.

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Now the question is

What is the goal.

Is it to be KOTH.

Or is it to play games.

If it is to play games then add the row to get the 4 players playing again. A temp row is all it is used when there is 2 people or more waiting to play the king.

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I want to be King. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

If anyone is waiting and just wants to play a game, we don't need to add a level. I'll play you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Guys even though I am down - out of just plain spite http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon8.gif - I plan to fight it out to the bitter end. Unless someone can convince me to abdicate for the good of the kingdom http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

So all of you who are at the jewelers getting their crowns fitted should go to the local tavern to have some grog or something.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don't take our kvetching and moaning personally. I for one plan to play to the bitter end when I get the chance, so no way I could begrudge you that. But from the way Bbegemott talks it's no sure thing you are going to lose.

Always remember...
It's ain't over till the fat lady's planet get's glassed. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ January 05, 2004, 20:58: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

That's good to know. I was actually feeling a little guilty more than anything.

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I think the best way would be to add the extra level again (not sure why it was removed at all) and leave it that way.
I suppose that would mean pairing Asmala and Geo and putting MB against Spoon/Slynky.

I know it is tough on the guys who are in contender spots right now. I have been there myself before.

But since we have that precedence when DavidG and myself had to fight another match to regain our contender spots, I really see no problem with that ruling.

BTW, Asmala, please put me back on bottom of the hill. I'll try another shot for the crown http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

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Welcome back Rollo!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually the way it is now is the way it's been for most of the long and storied history of the Hill. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif For a short time Asmala added another level cause things were getting backed up, like they are now I guess. But it was a fairly temporary situation and he took it back off a while back because things had thinned out significantly. At that point we had like one person on each level and it looked like it was going to be a while before that changed.

If Asmala decides to do as you suggest I will of course abide by it and play him. But I'm gonna hold my breath and stomp my feet for a while about missing my chance at a King match. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Even with one more level though it's entirely foreseeable that this will happen again in the future. We should come up with some way to deal with it, unless we are just going to decide to live with it, which is fine too. Adding levels every time it happens is not the best solution I don't think. But hey, I'm not in charge anymore so my opinion doesn't really matter. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Maybe add the extra level, but include a grandfather clause exempting some players from having to play on it right away. Like, oh, say everyone at the Top of the Hill and above proceed as if there is no extra level... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Oh oh, the Viking is back!!
I have not problems to play another game... after all, don't like the idea to wait during 4 months until have my chance!
In the other hand... dislike the idea to do something that could harm the Geo's intentions to take the crown! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Don't minsunderstand me. I have no hope of actually taking the crown. I merely wish to have the chance of touching it as I go down in flames during a King match. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif I believe that my run of luck has more then exceeded any reasonable hope on my part, having bested Phoenix, Kazarp and Slynky. The prospect of now facing Asmala when I thought the king match within my grasp is distressing.

But, eh, I'll get over it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

End the discussion Asmala, make a decision. If it be to add another level then let us get to it and get it over with for fair or foul. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

(Megh, why am I typing like this? Guess I have been reading too much Tolkien lately. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif )

[ January 06, 2004, 01:21: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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where is the 30 page song then ???

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Ah, Geo? Why would beating me need luck?

Or have you not looked at my win/loss rating yet? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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What they hey, here's my 2 cents.

Add that level right now. Stick it right below the current contender so they aren't effected.

If the a player is at the... Peak(?) waiting for a game AND the King is waiting for a game, then those two will play and the Peak will be vacant. This way, the Peak slot is only used when necessary. We've seen the pyramid both ways, with the top heavy and the top light. This should help ameliorate the situation.

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Crap. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, for the unscrupulous, this provides more opportunities to dawdle... The Evil Bad King would be inclined to lolligag if he sees someone he doesn't like at the Top of the Hill. He could, theoretically and unscrupulously, drag his feet until somebody eliminates the dangerous contender for him. Similarly, if you are at the Crest of the Hill, with one opponent at the Top of the Hill, and if you are unscrupulous and evil and bad, then your best bet would be to dawdle until the Top of the Hill location is clear, and hope for a quick King Battle.

Fortunately, none of us are unscrupulous or evil or bad, so I doubt this will be a problem.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">He who eliminates the dangerous contender is obviously even more dangerous, so perhaps it's not so wise for King to dawdle. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If you're on the Crest of the Hill and you try to dawdle till the Top of the Hill is empty and there no contenders, I dare to say you have to dawdle a long time. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Of course there is always possibility to dawdle, but it's difficult to have a good timing since games are finished in quick pace.

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The account where KOTH site is currently is expiring. Spaceempire.net kindly promised to host KOTH (thanks Fyron http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif ).

The new address is http://www.spaceempires.net/koth so please update your links. Also Fyron said http://koth.spaceempires.net should work, but I can't get it work for me. Anybody else has problems with it?

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Expire? I thought it ran off the PBW server.

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Well, I am glad that the crest is back and like the rule about advancing to #1 contender if there is noone else on the top. Actually I was about to suggest that myself. Grandpa Kim beat me to it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

One thing I don't understand, though, is that the current contenders #2 - #4 are not moved down to the top of the hill, because the new level doesn't solve the problem of the long queue of contenders. In fact I find it somewhat unfair to all the people who fought their way up through the extra levels.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I think you are mistaken here, Geo. The extra level has been in effect for a long time since May Last year. Also ever since the extra level had been added and DavidG and myself lost our contender spots, all the Kings and contenders had to go through the extra level. That is also true for the current #1 contender, BBegemott.

So moving the current #2 - #4 contenders to the top would not only solve the problem with the long wait queue. It would also mean consistancy for the hill, since no #1 contender has (yet) slipped under the radar of having fewer levels for a period of time.

Don't get me wrong here. I don't suggest this out of spite, but out of fairness.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Nope. If you look at the address you'll notice it has nothing to do with PBW. First it was there but when I started to manage KOTH it moved to koti.mbnet.fi.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Obviously you haven't noticed that Master Belisarius is the only contender who hasn't gone through the extra level. If I drop Geo to the Top he would need 6 wins in succession to became the King! That I would call unfair. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

However your post made me think there is some unfairness currently. Unfortunately to Master Belisarius, the best solution is drop to him to the Top of the Hill. That will mean every contender since the addition of the extra level has gone through it. I hope you have no hard feelings Master Belisarius.

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Yes, I had already made it to the top level when we removed the extra level. Slynky actully got bumped up a level at the time, but I beat him in our match.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yep, that's right, one day I woke up, found myself in a match and then a day or two later recovered from the beating.

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I may have caused the confusion with my post listing my recent victories. I inadvertantly neglected to mention the first victory against Alneyan. My appologies to Alneyan for fogetting him. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Nice job of reaching a logical, fair decision there Asmala. Now you see why I didn't want to run this puppy any longer. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">yes, you are correct. I missed the fact that both Geo and yourself had 4 consecutive wins to earn the contender spot. My apologies.

Good and fair decision.

Also I hope no hard feelings, MB. Best of luck and success in your upcoming matches.

[ January 06, 2004, 21:30: Message edited by: Rollo ]

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Obviously you haven't noticed that Master Belisarius is the only contender who hasn't gone through the extra level. If I drop Geo to the Top he would need 6 wins in succession to became the King! That I would call unfair. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

However your post made me think there is some unfairness currently. Unfortunately to Master Belisarius, the best solution is drop to him to the Top of the Hill. That will mean every contender since the addition of the extra level has gone through it. I hope you have no hard feelings Master Belisarius. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Indeed, I consider it fair. And if you check my previous post, you will see that I have not problems to go back... I prefer to play a new game instead wait during 3 months until have my chance to play against the King.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Of course I have not problems.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks!

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Grandpakim vs. Primitive. GK surrenders. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

Primitive was most generous when he said he had a "slightly larger portion of the map". It was more like 60/40. He managed this despite my best ever expansion speed. I acquired new territory faster than I ever have and it still wasn't enough. This advantage (along with his great playing skills) gave Primitive more of everything: ships, tech, planets. I had no disadvantage from bad systems or bad selection of planets, I simply lost to a better player. Congrats to Primitive! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon6.gif Now go on to become King and make me look good... er well make me look not quite so bad. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Asmala send me back to the trenches where I am sure to win this time. I am going to use a new shipset: Trooper's Pexlerr. Yes it's true. After using the tired old Toltayan shipset for the past 2 years, I am making a change. I can't possibly lose with these beauties! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Almost forgot. Primitive, your shipset is gorgeous! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ January 06, 2004, 23:43: Message edited by: Grandpa Kim ]

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Don't build him up too much...before you know it, he won't be able to get his head through the bulkheads! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I've made my decision. I will do as Grandpa Kim suggested, since that's IMO the best way. New level is added above Top and that doesn't affect to contenders. If sometimes King has no opponent and there is one one person in the Top of the Hill, he will be moved to 1st contender. This will minimize the amount of idle players but still it makes conscious dawdling futile.

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maybe that's the point... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Dinglehopper I sent you an email it looked like this:

Does this look OK?
medium spiral arm
no events
medium tech cost
no intel
20000 starting resources
1 good home world
low tech start
2000 racial points
rated game

Did you get that email?

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Almost forgot...welcome back, Rollo.

(ummmm, you bring any ale?) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

That's great you're satisfied with my decision.

KOTH page is updated.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I thought you came up with the best solution too. Thanks for taking care of business!

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thus, a new definition for "Bulk" Head!

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Gegnersuche & psychologische Kriegsführung!
Rollo !

Perhaps

Asmala ???

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thus, a new definition for "Bulk" Head! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ooooh (owwwwww) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif (nice one, Electrum!)

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Asmala, You might have to update the web page in your signiture. Of course unless you have since done it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">uummmmm,... I don't quite follow

anyway, I don't resort to psychological warfare much. That's why I like mano-a-mano games. No use for political chit chat http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif .

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Thanks to Granpa for a great game. Fast expansion was the key to victory, as always (BTW, for those who followed the “opening strategies” thread: It was done without ancient, hardy industrialist or any bases on HW http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif )

Granpa is a tough customer, but with all the lucky breaks going my way………One lucky break (for me) was when my colonizer with kamikaze order met one of his ship capture scouts over a warppoint and they deadlocked on each side of the blue field, denying him of both my breathers and my colonizing tech.

Good luck to you Granpa against Rollo (You’ll need it http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif ). I’ll promise to try my best to become the king and make you proud http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

And also thanks to CNC for the Oxmal shipset which I tried for the first time in this game. It’s pure gold.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Asmala, You might have to update the web page in your signiture. Of course unless you have since done it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I updated the signature at the same time when I posted the new address here.

[ January 08, 2004, 11:12: Message edited by: Asmala ]

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my german is rather bad eh.

I ment to say beat him in warfare in a psychological damaging way. So I can take him on afterwards when he is weak. That way I can cross off the Beat Asmala in SEIV from my list of things I need to do this year http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Tesco, looks like I have to be careful with you in the Adamant game. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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We have two new players, Atrocities and Axel. Welcome!