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Military leaders of helheim, I advise you to remove yourselves from Arcosephale's territories and concede all provinces you stole from us in your greed. Our lord, the one true God walks the earth again, and is filled with wrath.

You have been warned.

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Claire hopes for you that you do not win though. Claire says that by winning, you have large chances to dig your own grave because this time your victory will be recorded by all, and all will turn against you. Claire adds that by losing, for obvious reasons, your also dig your own grave.

Claire says that the smartest solution would have been yielding : you keep a chance to strenghten up, and don't make an ennemy of the entire world. That's the solution you didn't choose. Claire says it's funny how, for most would-be gods, pride is a more important thing than brains.

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Yoth'Shothogg is running low on money due to spending 5-10x her resource spending in money. Perhaps a nation not fighting Sauromatia but eager to help could donate a few hundred gold coins to the cause? Or a nation fighting Sauromatia that has no use for some extra gold?

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By the way, Sauromatia has clearly proved that logic can be used any way you want. He clearly described his own strategy either forgetting that it isn't the only one possible or just wishing that others forget it. Claire has clearly shown why it would be eeroneous for others to pursue the similar strategy now.
BTW, Tien Chi's attack on me was another example against Sauromatia's argument - he attacked a strongly positioned nation before it would become stronger still instead of attacking Caelum whom he can eat at any time.. If I had all my lands for these turns I could have research comparable to his by now & my main army would return from vanquishing Fomors. (as for my own mistake it was probably using to much force against Fomoria while don't leaving enough against other neighbors - but I honestly didn't expect them to crumble so easily. Also this was another example of the similar approach - Fomoria had no other route of expansion except through my lands & if they had time for research they could get quite fine thugs/SCs to fight me - attacking them before this I gained a position which I could defend while if I had to fight both them & Tien Chi I would be dead long before now.)
Possibly others can continue this with examples from other wars.. In fact I ask for such examples now - even from my enemies in the interest of knowledge of all.
As far as I know, Kailasa used a similar approach to that recommended by Sauromatia when making peace with Caelum & getting more territory from neutrals. This brought them what they have now - though they were in an unenviable position between 2 major powers, so this isn't probably a good example.
So it looks that while Sauromatia's approach worked for them just fine, it didn't work for others & furthermore, others were relatively successful with just the opposite. Again, just as in real life.. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif And banding together against major power also brought results quite often both in game & real life. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Also, I think that from the pure mathematical poin of view (i.e., barring some inspired strategy which opponent won't find a recipe against in time) Sauromatia now will "grow strong" much faster than any opponent whom they offer to hope for this - they have more territory, money (which translate into castles) & gems, so they: a) will recruit troops faster than anyone else; b) will recruit mages faster & so will eventually have the fastest research & the fastest item production - which, of course, translates into globals & SCs... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Chicken and egg
 

We should probably go to a 48 hour timer now, what do you think?

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Heh, my turns take about 10 minutes to play but I can certainly see Sauromatia and maybe Tien Chi wanting to move on 48h hosting and that's fine by me.

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Timer increased to 48 hours now.

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Personally I don't care, my turns still take at most 10 minutes...would have been nice to vote before switching it.

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Would you guys want to take it down to 24 hours timer again for the next 10 turns? I can handle it!

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Same for me, my turns are going to take less and less time as time goes by.

Well, that was my first try at a communion, and it failed rather badly. I planned to cast master sabbath by the second turn and then some useful spell but it didn't really worked as planned.