Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Just one question though. You aren't specifing here whether you are doing this generation in the map editor or within the game itself. If it's in the map editor there are a couple bugs you need to know about that will affect the results.
1. Map editor generated maps will have ruins regardless of if you tell it not to.
2. The map editor doesn't randomize very well. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">If there are no requests for a special mod (Junkyard, or Balance, for example), I use the standard 1.84 game to create a map. Then I save it. Then I edit it. When I create the game, I retrieve it. I turn off ruins before I create the map. I click over and over looking for the "right" map size and "interesting" looks.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Game assignment ready. Hope you enjoy the names.

Good luck to both!

Asmala is a scientist. Geo is a gambler with surprises. It looks to be interesting!

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Hmmm, does the current King usually get the player 1 spot? Or does it even matter? Maybe the player 2 spot is better anyway and so should go to the king. I don't know, I'm just asking. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Actually, I don't know...I don't think it matters. For some strange reason, I had your name in mind, Geo. Usually, I assign players according to alpha.

I'll fix so it fits as it should.

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A random thought occurred to me when thinking of game balance: what about making domed planets a bit more useful than average? Currently a breathable planet has five times as many facilities as a domed planet, which is quite a difference. The latest Version of FQM reduces this gap to about three times as many facilities, making domed planets a bit more useful.

Obviously, this will only help to reduce the effects of tough luck when it comes to breathable planets, and so is definitively not the panacea. It would less drastic than the Balance Mod as the game is still random instead of being predetermined, so there is still the luck of the draw, but you will know these non-breathable planets are a tad more useful than before.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

That is certainly an option to consider Alneayan. What I was going for with the balance mod was data files that could be used by the game host to create the first turn, and then wouldn't be needed for the players after that. Changing the number of faciliites on a domed world would require a mod to be used for the entire game. But it would definetly help allevieate the disadvantage of very few breathable worlds.

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K.O.T.H. Update, King Match, Asmala vs Geoschmo 2400.2

I'm in first place.

Yeah, it's only turn 2, but I'm in first place! Woo hoo! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Hey, Asmala, whazzat stuck on your head? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

his ego. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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Asmala, I'm ready to return to the Hill. Go ahead and toss me into an open spot at the bottom.

PS, that crown looks like it could fit on Narf's head too...

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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ah, but i'm new at koth and pbw. and there's a lot of people in the way.

hmm, i might have to use two hammers. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ February 18, 2004, 04:29: Message edited by: narf poit chez BOOM ]

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Indeed Geo, it would require to use a mod, but I guess you would be very happy if you were to see too many red crosses over your planets for your taste. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

It does look like being called "young friend" by Slynky gives good luck, unless he meant "fiend" rather. *Whistles* Incidentally Geo, is there a Crown if you lose all four games in the Ratings tournament? I am quite a good chance to claim this one as my own.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Welcome back Katchoo! No opponent yet but will come soon I think.

It's a nice crown, isn't it. Unfortunately it's so slanted it might drop easily... Hey Geo, stop pushing me! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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King of the Hill 2401.9

First battle: my planet against Geo's destroyer. Result: six accurate shots from planet's weapon platforms and the ship was dead.

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King of the Hill, 2401.9

Contrary to the propaganda being diseminated by the Black Hole Riders, the first battle of the war was a complete and utter victory by the Imperium Astralis. The Riders colonists on the first world encountered fled at the mere sight of Imperium forces and abandoned the planet they had worked so hard to establish.

The "first battle" the Riders speak of was actually the second of the war, and it was merely a scouting mission to see if all Riders people were as skittish as the first batch.

We are happy to report, they are not. The war can now begin in earnest. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[ February 18, 2004, 19:31: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

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hey MB, i don't have your shipset. which one are you using?

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I'm using the Pyrochette (a true classic!). Now I know you have not installed the TDM!

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

hmm...there's a TDM-Modpack folder in my SE4G directory. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Sigh... It's lonely here on the middle of the Hill.

Any games at the foot of the Hill getting close to the end?

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">then you can do the following:
1. create a folder ..pictures\races\Pyrochette in the SE4 main directory
2. cut all the Pyrochette images from the TDM and paste them into the new folder, but the leave the AI files where they are

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

* pokes Geo for a new chapter of the Book of Kings

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">KOTH Gandalph vs. Gozguy
Stardate 2409.6
Standard KOTH settings

It has been a long and slow war, but the forces of the Corrian Commonwealth seem to have an edge at this time.
We developed troops and have been seizing colonies from the Chin Empire. It will be nice to get those oxygen breathers to the right worlds.
We are aware of the Chin's Homeworld, but have chosen a slow advance for the purpose of being able to protect that which we have stolen. With Intelligence coming Online, it should not be too much longer before the demise of the Chin Empire.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">then you can do the following:
1. create a folder ..pictures\races\Pyrochette in the SE4 main directory
2. cut all the Pyrochette images from the TDM and paste them into the new folder, but the leave the AI files where they are </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Rollo is right.
But also, with the Modlauncher you could play our game (like I do) using the TDM Mod. Because this MOD only change the AI scripts, then, it's compatible with a game started with the SE4G stock.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

K.O.T.H. Phoenix-D vs Parabolize
turn 2402.7
Geo's map balancing mod
3 good home worlds
no intel or mines

Phoenix-D surrenders!
He had organic DDs and I used fighters. The fighers where way to hard for his PD to kill. I remember Grandpa Kim doing the same to my organic ships. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ February 20, 2004, 04:58: Message edited by: parabolize ]

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

If my ramming ships would have worked it would have been fine.

As it is my PD couldn't hit enough because I went seekers and thus negative aggressiveness. It figures that the ONE time I go seeker heavy my opponent goes for fighters http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Gee, Parabolize, if you play that fast and win again, I could do something that's rarely done...play the same person twice in the same attempt on the hill http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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RE: Koth Electrum vs Gecko

Our Last turn was cycled on 2/14 (turn 13). It appears the Gecko is involved in obtaining a new job. I have e-mailed him stating that I understand that Real Life must take priority, but if he is finding it difficult to make timely turns, he may wish to consider withdrawing until RL settles down. I would!

Electrum

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Koth page is updated.

[ February 20, 2004, 15:40: Message edited by: Asmala ]

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Electrum, I asked Gecko about this. If he doesn't reply or play more frequently I'll remove him from the Hill.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Gecko's gone walkabout in a bash tourney game too.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And I posted a thread hailing him in a challenge game 4 of us have. Last I heard, though, he didn't say he couldn't play...he said he couldn't take on any new games (Anklebiters). I assumed that meant he could finish his games that were in progress. If he dropped from the Challenge game, it would affect 3 other players since it's a rated game...actually killing the game.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Hi. I would like some players to test out some of the new koth maps i have been working on.

With some of the upcoming games ask to play on a new Koth Map.

Asmala can set the games up with some of the new maps and then you can post your thoughts about them in the other thread. I Have a map pack of some tester maps set up this weekend for download.

IT would be a great help as I am at the big stage of setting up the start positons.

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I asked to play with one of your new koth maps http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">And I posted a thread hailing him in a challenge game 4 of us have. Last I heard, though, he didn't say he couldn't play...he said he couldn't take on any new games (Anklebiters). I assumed that meant he could finish his games that were in progress. If he dropped from the Challenge game, it would affect 3 other players since it's a rated game...actually killing the game. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">He's having some RL problems, and told me will have problems to play his turns for awhile, but he didn't told me that would be unable to continue.

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Thanks, Master B. We will just wait, I guess. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I asked to play with one of your new koth maps http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Yes, I'm looking forward to being a guniea pig. Here's hoping it's terribly unbalanced - in my favor. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Gee, Parabolize, if you play that fast and win again, I could do something that's rarely done...play the same person twice in the same attempt on the hill http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Hey, I plan to at least put up a fight... My goal is to at least Last longer than I did against you, Slynky. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Phoenix-D and myself have volunteered to test one of your new Maps (Asmala's choice).

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Tesco, where I can find the maps?

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VadimBey vs Cheeze, turn 227

VadimBey has won. This game went on incredibly long and was so much fun to play. I thought I was finished over 100 turns ago, but I was given the opportunity to recover and re-engage. I tried several different ideas, but mostly I lost because I was unfocused and erratic, changing things around and not following through on others. There was a point where I probably ought to have won as well, but Vadim was too spread out through the galaxy and was extremely well-served by having troops on many colonies and an enhanced happiness. Had I been playing someone who guts their happiness trait, they would have fallen apart at that point.

Playing VadimBey was like fighting a constrictor snake. Most of the game he moved slowly but decisively, and once he gained ground he rarely yielded. And he ended up choking me out until there was absolutely no way I could fight much further. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!
What was I thinking!!!
Now I'm up against Slynky!!

**sigh**

Oh well. Let's get the butt kicking over with
http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif

Electrum

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

The Koth page is updated.

The longest non-mod game in Koth history has finished. Astonishing 227 turns! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

Not quite Electrum, both of us will win our KOTH games so that we will play with each other on the Last match before the king game. Obviously you will win against Slynky armada and I shall backstab Primitive. I know, that's wishful thinking, but still. May my Beginner's Luck shine on you Electrum. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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Electrum:

You asked for a balanced map of Tesco's. Now, maybe I'm looking at things a bit funny in my home system but it seems to me there are a lot of NONE atmospehere moons that are ALL MEDIUM in size! That certainly adds, in my opinion, quite an edge for what is already considered (by some) an atmosphere type that brings a bit of advantage to it.

Let me know if you want to keep playing.

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Electrum vs Slynky: 2401.3

Slynky surrenders.

I don't care what atmosphere Electrum took, I'll not continue to play on what I think is the most unbalanced "balanced" map I've ever seen. Without providing visuals (screen shots) of system after system laden with NONE atmosphere...which could be the roll of the dice...what disturbs me the most is the plethora of NONE atmosphere moons that are mostly (about 90-95% of the time) medium-sized planets. Some rock, some ice. However, one thing is evident...if you took GAS, you are at a disadvantage.

Imagine a map where all things are like one sees with the SE4 generated systems...then, take all the NONE atmosphere moons (tiny) and change them to medium size. Yes, there is a gas moon sometimes but outnumbered by about 10 - 1.

Not sure how this system was generated but it certainly gives an advantage to anyone who took Ice/Rock - no atmosphere. Well, at least from the 10 systems I have been to (and I see no reason to believe it will change).

Ratings aren't so important to me as time. And I don't want to invest time in a game just to learn that my opponent has twice everything that I do because of the map.

This is not intended to take away from anything Electrum is capable of...just my disastifaction with the map.

Good luck (no pun intended), Electrum, on your trek up the hill !

This, BTW, is the second Tesco balanced map that has caused me consternation (previous being one that started a person in the middle of the map and started me in the corner...to be boxed in). For anyone with a good memory, I'll not play another one.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

hmmm. strange they should be set to any and any for type and atmosphere. with one just set at none any and tiny.

I will look into that ... put a hold on testing new maps...

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My tesco map looks the same lots and lots of medium none atmosphere http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif

[ February 22, 2004, 22:18: Message edited by: parabolize ]

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

ditto.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I suggest a restart w/ a reqular map . But it's up to you.

FYI I didn't notice you Posts until now.

Re: Are you tough enough to be the "King of the Hill"?
 

I'm in a KOTH game with someone who....doesn't turn in their turns on a regular basis. Actually, the game started 4 days ago, and they haven't even sent in their first turn!! Now, he said he wouldn't be able to do his turns at a fast rate, but this is just ridiculous! Should I send him an email asking what's up, or what? And what should I do if he doesnt' respond, or will only be able to do his turns once every 4 days. Because this may be just me, but once every 4 days for a game involving 2 people is WAY too long. Personally, I could do 2 turns a day. Anyways, any advice? Thanks.

[ February 23, 2004, 00:46: Message edited by: Renegade 13 ]