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oleg January 3rd, 2004 05:05 AM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Vasiliy:
I have tried TDM mode - the same things. AI send sips on my planet (with 10 Weapon Station) one by one (or 2-3 by 2-3). It is very silly. How I can change it (to force AI to create a big fleet)?

THanks

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">It does happen sometimes even with best AIs - when AI homeworld is very close and it has no bonuses. AI in the "attack" state does not wait for the correct number of "turns before next attack" and send understrength fleets. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon9.gif But it seldom occurs with TDM AIs on high bonuses.

Vasiliy January 3rd, 2004 05:55 AM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
I use High Bonus and High Difficult for AI, but I did not select AI. How I can do it? I thought that I can select only human player race.

I use Turn Based Movement.

oleg January 3rd, 2004 06:30 AM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
You can always add few more empires (if .emp file is provided, of course), not only yours. Then edit those empires and turn them onto AI control.

Still, it is quite odd that TDM AI with high bonus does not master big fleets http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif Start a new game then. It may be some silly loop in AI procedure exposed by particular game setup.

Did you try AIC mod yet ?

Atrocities January 3rd, 2004 09:33 AM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Vasiliy:
I use High Bonus and High Difficult for AI, but I did not select AI. How I can do it? I thought that I can select only human player race.

I use Turn Based Movement.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">Ok if I understand your question, all you need to do is click on the Option Icon, upper left hand corner, and select players. Then just click the check circle next to the races you want the AI to control. A green dot will appear signifying that they are now under AI control.

Fyron January 3rd, 2004 10:05 AM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
You can add more than one empire in game setup. For the empires that you want to be AI controlled, simply edit them and turn on the Controlled by AI option. You can do it before starting the game. Most races come with empire files.

Master Belisarius January 3rd, 2004 11:52 AM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Vasiliy:
I use High Bonus and High Difficult for AI, but I did not select AI. How I can do it? I thought that I can select only human player race.

I use Turn Based Movement.

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">I suggest you to use Simultaneous Movement: is more challenging (after all, the AI always plays like a simultaneous movement game!) and you will have some training for multiplayer games.

Some months ago, I runned 2 AI contests. Although these contests were not perfect, at least you can see how the AIs performed... and think would help you to make your AI choices.

AI Deatmatch 1.
===============
With no AI bonus.

1 Narn
2 Pyrochette
3 EEE - United Flora
5 Earth Alliance - Aquilaeian
7 Klingon - Namovans - Space Vikings - Toron
11 Romulan - Jraenar
13 Shadows - Angelican Regency - Rage - Praetorian - UkraTal - Azorani
19 SWEmpire - EEEVil - XiChung - Vaxin - Orks - Drakol


AI Deatmatch 2.
===============
With Low AI bonus.

ROUND PLACE NAME POINTS
Final 1 United Flora 32
Final 2 Tessellate 27
SemiFinal 3 Space Vikings 23
SemiFinal 4 Aquilaeian 15
Round 6 5 CueCappa 16
Round 6 6 Narn Regime 15
Round 5 7 Pyrochette 15
Round 5 8 Toron 13
Round 4 9 Fazrah 9
Round 4 10 EEE 7
Round 4 11 Khrel 7
Round 4 12 Orks 5
Round 3 13 Gron 6
Round 3 14 Rage 4
Round 3 15 Namovans 3
Round 3 15 Earth Alliance 3
Round 3 17 Sallega 2
Round 3 17 Piundon 2
Round 2 19 Klingon 2
Round 2 20 Teslik 1
Round 2 20 Drakol 1
Round 2 20 Azorani 1
Round 2 20 Praetorians 1
Round 2 20 Colonial 1
Round 1 25 Cylon 0
Round 1 25 Corrian 0
Round 1 25 Romulan 0
Round 1 25 Toltayan 0
Round 1 25 Ekhazan 0
Round 1 25 Shadows 0
Round 1 25 Sergetti 0
Round 1 25 XiChung 0

JLS January 21st, 2004 03:22 PM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by oleg:
You can always add few more empires (if .emp file is provided, of course), not only yours. Then edit those empires and turn them onto AI control.

Still, it is quite odd that TDM AI with high bonus does not master big fleets http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif Start a new game then. It may be some silly loop in AI procedure exposed by particular game setup.

Did you try AIC mod yet ?

<font size="2" face="sans-serif, arial, verdana">You may find the AI in AIC to have larger fleets then se4. You will also find that many of the AI fighters, units and Ships will be well equipped to deal with your planet defenses http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Be warned, you will need troops to defend your planets from this AI http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

It is recommended your first game to have NO ai bonus; you may find this to be a challenge…

AI bonus at low or higher; (this AI) will certainly rock your boat.

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ January 21, 2004, 13:26: Message edited by: JLS ]

Fyron January 21st, 2004 06:27 PM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
Have you considered making an AIC without the slowness of Proportions?

JLS January 21st, 2004 06:41 PM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
That is a good question Fyron…

Some Players like Star Liners and true, this tends to slow the game by its mundane micromanagement.

= = =

AIC has 2 starting option settings for your characters trait game style.

(1) OS* This will yield a more robust game without the need for Star Liners.

(2) Players also have the MP* Settings that is for multi-Player games or Solo games and this will yield the many more options and facilities that will increase the players Resources, Empire Storage, Ship Repair, Research speed, Construction speed and increased ship total counts. With increased Research and many other additions the game will move at a more robust pace.

By choosing the OS* and/or MP* as your players starting game triat style; will increase the pace of the game dramatically.

[ January 21, 2004, 16:58: Message edited by: JLS ]

Fyron January 21st, 2004 06:50 PM

Re: Why game is so easy?
 
I am not talking about starliners, but the entire slowdown of Proportions. The extreme importance of the HW and long, long time it takes to get colonies to be productive and such.


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