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Jack Simth December 18th, 2004 12:09 PM
Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
 
Hmm... would that imply that if you found a way to skip the "I agree" portion of the installation (say you copied a CD image to your HD, found the text of the EULA, altered it, then burned a CD off the new image and installed) you'd be in the clear? I've suddenly got this strange desire to tinker....

narf poit chez BOOM December 18th, 2004 07:37 PM
Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
 
Another reason to read before you sign.

Atrocities December 18th, 2004 08:16 PM
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Quote:
narf poit chez BOOM said:
Another reason to read before you sign.
How do you sign a CD?

narf poit chez BOOM December 18th, 2004 08:38 PM
Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
 
According to some EULA's, clicking the 'I Agree' button is the same as your legal signature.

Fyron December 18th, 2004 09:08 PM
Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
 
Quote:
narf poit chez BOOM said:
According to some EULA's, clicking the 'I Agree' button is the same as your legal signature.
Which in reality it isn't... most EULAs contain illegal clauses...

Phoenix-D December 18th, 2004 09:32 PM
Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
 
Quote:
narf poit chez BOOM said:
According to some EULA's, clicking the 'I Agree' button is the same as your legal signature.
Most EULA's also have "playing the game means you agree to this"

Which happens to absurd..

Nodachi December 18th, 2004 09:33 PM
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Quote:
Atrocities asked:
How do you sign a CD?
That's a good point. You can't agree to the EULA of a store bought game or app until after you've purchased it. If you don't agree to the EULA you've just wasted your money because you can't return opened software.

Quote:
Geo asked:
What I am asking is, do you have a right that you are losing here?
By legal precedent, yes. According to Title 17 Chapter 1 of the US code, also yes.

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Geo queried:
That's what I mean when I ask if this is an inalienable right.
Inalienable, well... depends on who you ask. Some hold that it is a part of free speech and therefor it would be. I'm not sure if I would take it that far. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif

deccan December 18th, 2004 09:40 PM
Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
 
Quote:
Nodachi said:
If you don't agree to the EULA you've just wasted your money because you can't return opened software.
Wikipedia has a page on EULA:

Software license

It says:

Quote:

Assuming that publishers follow the correct procedures (such as giving the user the right to return the software for a refund), EULA licenses are generally enforceable. See ProCD v. Zeidenberg, 86 F.3d 1447 (7th Cir. 1996)

Nodachi December 18th, 2004 09:47 PM
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So if they don't follow correct procedures with the EULA the license is no good and you can do whatever you want with the software? I'd hate to see that go to court in today's legal environment.

Jack Simth December 19th, 2004 04:27 AM
Re: OT: An Interesting Read About Bit-Torrents
 
Not whatever you want, as copyright and patent are law still in full effect as applicable, but the standard stuff you would be both able and permitted to do with a book you purchased, yeah.


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