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geoschmo said:
WTC7 fell for the same reason the twin towers fell, uncontrolled fire burned long enough to weaken the structrural support members to the point of collapse.

I suggest you forward your explanation for the collapse of WTC7 to Dr. Sunder of the NIST. Dr. Sunder may find it helpful because he has been unable to come up with an explanation of his own. When asked for an explanation of the collapse of WTC7 and why the collapse of the building was barely mentioned in the NIST report Dr. Sunder replied: "But truthfully, I don�t really know. We�ve had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.�

http://newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16464/index6.html

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9/11 was the work of Usama ibn Ladin and his nutcase terrorist group. 'Nuff said.

Google:

911 Myths.
Popular Mechanics.
Screw Loose Change (blog and movies).

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I pity the fool. I mean really, how stupid is this stuff? Very very very. I am constantly amazed that anyone can repeat it without just falling down and laughing at themselves. Or having to be prepared to give resuscitation to others who are choking with laughter at them. I suppose anyone who expounds this tripe should, just as a civic minded thing to do, learn and be prepared to give CPR.

The only thing that made me wonder about Loose Change was that Usama wrote with his right hand. That's it. And, of course, it didn't take much research to find out [hint: he's an Islamic fundamentalist].

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SafeKeeper said:
9/11 was the work of Usama ibn Ladin and his nutcase terrorist group. 'Nuff said.

Google:

911 Myths.
Popular Mechanics.
Screw Loose Change (blog and movies).

None of those sources even try to debunk the fact that the source of the anthrax in the post-9/11 anthrax attacks was traced to the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. Top Bush Administration officials started taking the anti-anthrax antibiotic Cipro one week before the first anthrax attack took place.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml

http://holt.house.gov/list/press/nj12_holt/121206.html

http://infowars.net/articles/decembe...206Anthrax.htm

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Phoenix-D said:
Never does explain how the people in the building didn't *notice* the prepration for demolition, which is quite extensive.

Actually, people did notice quite a bit of suspicious activity in the Twin Towers during the weekend prior to 9/11. You can find out more about this the final 30 minutes of the "9/11 Mysteries" documentary.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...90071483512003

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You really need to let this go my friend. The point of silliness has long since passed into farce obsession. If by any remote possibly, and I do mean remote, that this whole thing was a Government set up, then it sure as hell was set in motion LONG before the silly Bush man was ever elected to office.

Also I had this accident last August where a sand bank just gave out from under me as I rode my quad over it. There was no advanced warning, it just happened at the precise moment I started to cross it. Do you think the guys who made these documentaries, you know the ones who keep calling accredited scientist and engineering professionals liars, would make a movie about the conspiracy to collapse the sand bank out from under me?

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Wow...I didn't think people seriously believed some of the crap that has been expounded here...

US/Israeli conspiracy...yeah, that's plausible...much more plausible than Islamic funamentalists who despise 'Western' cultures and their 'decadence'...

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geoschmo said:
WTC7 fell for the same reason the twin towers fell, uncontrolled fire burned long enough to weaken the structrural support members to the point of collapse.

Truthfully I didn't pay much attention to this thread after my post so I just noticed yoru reply. What's outrageous is this New York Magazine article you link too came out a full year after the Popular Mechanics Aritcle, but they are giving quotes from Dr. Saunders from early in the investigation before all the facts were in. They've conveinently ignored any evidence that doesn't fit their conspiracy theory.

From the Pop Mech March 2005

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Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

If you ignore the facts, it's easy to come up with many plausible theories. But it takes a real art for self-denial to ignore inconvienent truths like "gravity makes things fall".

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9/11 was not a conspiracy.Only the far left liberal nutjobs claim that,

The only real thing GW needs to be impeached for is allowing the flood of criminal aliens and terrorists across our borders and even considering the fact of allowing them amnesty.Not to mention the fact these illegals dont pay taxes yet are given medicare,EIC,and other services all on the tax payers dime.Bush has truely sold out those who put him into office.Im totally disgusted!

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You guys really just need to ignore these kind of conspiracy threads. No matter how much evidence you post proving that these conspiracy theories are just half backed inventions of twisted and ill informed low brow anti-American whack jobs, they won't believe you. For them ignoring the truth, the evidence, and laws of physics is a way of life. Hell they made a movie that is prominently featured on both Google Video and You-Tube. These two seemingly left wing loving sites tout this tripe filled movie as being the best movie ever made about the events of 9/11. I guess fiction does sell. Most people who have seen this movie will admit that it is complete bunk, but hey, the conspiracy loving dim wits of the world believe in it so who the hell are we to say to them that they are crazy? Oh wait, that would be inferred by our laughing hysterically at them as they continue to believe that George Bush was behind the 9/11.

What I love is now that this movie is out, nut jobs use it as proof that their whacked out theories are valid. And the movie uses these whacked out nut jobs theories as proof that there was a conspiracy. Its just one whacked out nut job pointing to another whacked out nut job and saying "well he said it happened" back and forth like some retard circle jerk.

In fact that is the best way to describe this whole 9/11 conspiracy thing; a whacked out crazy left wing circle jerk.

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If you ignore the facts, it's easy to come up with many plausible theories. But it takes a real art for self-denial to ignore inconvenient truths like "gravity makes things fall".

- Geo

Excellent comment. This one is an award winning statement. Well said Geo.