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MaxWilson October 31st, 2008 03:05 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
By the time your empire is big enough for logistics to become onerous, it's probably better to build troops in "factories" on the back lines and Gateway/Stygian Paths/Forest Trod them to the front lines. (Or else just build troops in front-line castles.) If you have cap-only mages that you need to shuffle to the front lines, they are probably too scarce and valuable for you to let an AI handle their transit anyway.

-Max

licker October 31st, 2008 03:26 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
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Originally Posted by SlipperyJim (Post 649532)
Ever played the original Dominions? Dominions: Priests, Prophets, and Pretenders ... aka Dom:PPP?

No re-usable commander scripts. No automated site searching. No monthly spell-casting commands. No automated pooling of gems and blood slaves.

I feel like one of those cranky old men who's always telling the kids, "When I was your age, we had to WALK to school! Uphill! Both ways! In nine feet of snow!"

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is this: Dominions 3 has seriously reduced the amount of micromanagement that we used to have. Can they go farther? Sure, there's always going to be room for improvement. But they've come a long way. :up:

Actually, yes I did, and I held off on Dom3 for a couple of years because I simply felt the micromanagement still had not been addressed enough. I finally caved in a year ago or so because I had extra money, and wanted to support the franchise anyway, but there are still issues.

Frankly my feeling is at this point there is not really much need for massive amounts of new content in a new Dom game. There is a pressing need to clean up the UI further, fix some of these persistent micro issues, and actually make the SP game meaningful.

I understand that these things are simply not priorities, nor are they 'fun' to work on, but meh, dom will always remain in the little niche it's carved out because the overall polish is so poor.

I can live with it, most people in the community can live with it, so it may just never happen, Illwinter is a small team with limited resources. They do the best they can, and they do what keeps them interested in continuing the game. There's nothing wrong with that, just as there's nothing wrong with fans making requests, no matter how unlikely they are to actually be incorporated.

licker October 31st, 2008 03:30 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
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Originally Posted by MaxWilson (Post 649533)
By the time your empire is big enough for logistics to become onerous, it's probably better to build troops in "factories" on the back lines and Gateway/Stygian Paths/Forest Trod them to the front lines. (Or else just build troops in front-line castles.) If you have cap-only mages that you need to shuffle to the front lines, they are probably too scarce and valuable for you to let an AI handle their transit anyway.

-Max

This is an entirely personal opinion.

As far as I'm concerned the logistic become onerous as soon as I have capitol only troops which need to go somewhere further than I can move them in one turn. This likely happens before turn 25 in most games.

Yes yes, I can and do accept it, and deal with it, but meh, I'd just as soon not have to bother with the extra routine crap, since there's already enough of that in the game.

I also dislike not being able to set up a repeating forging order, and I dislike the way tactics are scripted, and units are generally moved around to commanders.

I get that the code base is apparently old and cranky, but I don't see that as an excuse.

Gandalf Parker October 31st, 2008 03:38 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
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Originally Posted by licker (Post 649542)
I get that the code base is apparently old and cranky, but I don't see that as an excuse.

That wasnt the excuse. The excuse was that it would be no fun. The devs only do it for fun and no one here is fixing that.

The reference to the code base being old and cranky was only an explanation vs any reference to the idea that it might be a quick and easy fix because its already been done and the code for it is readily available. Quick and easy changes we might be able to get. Fun additions we might be able to get (particularly if they are flavor vs coding). But since the devs have already moved on to another project then any heavy changes are unlikely and most efforts to motivate tend to be way off course (if not downright anti-motivating).

MaxWilson October 31st, 2008 03:42 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
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Originally Posted by licker (Post 649542)
This is an entirely personal opinion.

Why, yes. Yes it is.

-Max

licker October 31st, 2008 03:51 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
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Originally Posted by MaxWilson (Post 649544)
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Originally Posted by licker (Post 649542)
This is an entirely personal opinion.

Why, yes. Yes it is.

-Max

Then you shouldn't have said 'your empire' should you?

;)

lch October 31st, 2008 04:31 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
Actually, me writing that it won't be implemented wasn't me disapproving of your suggestions at all. It was just my educated guess about what will happen or not. ;)

Meursy October 31st, 2008 05:09 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
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Originally Posted by licker (Post 649547)
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Originally Posted by MaxWilson (Post 649544)
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Originally Posted by licker (Post 649542)
This is an entirely personal opinion.

Why, yes. Yes it is.

-Max

Then you shouldn't have said 'your empire' should you?

;)

Yeah Max what were you thinking! Using 'your' as a generic pronoun to express an opinion!

The cheek! :D

licker October 31st, 2008 05:10 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
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Originally Posted by Meursy (Post 649573)
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Originally Posted by licker (Post 649547)
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Originally Posted by MaxWilson (Post 649544)

Why, yes. Yes it is.

-Max

Then you shouldn't have said 'your empire' should you?

;)

Yeah Max what were you thinking! Using 'your' as a generic pronoun to express an opinion!

The cheek! :D

A generic pronoun is 'ones' or 'an' not necessarily your. :p

Meursy October 31st, 2008 05:18 PM

Re: Moving Through Multiple Provinces
 
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Originally Posted by licker (Post 649574)
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Originally Posted by Meursy (Post 649573)
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Originally Posted by licker (Post 649547)

Then you shouldn't have said 'your empire' should you?

;)

Yeah Max what were you thinking! Using 'your' as a generic pronoun to express an opinion!

The cheek! :D

A generic pronoun is 'ones' or 'an' not necessarily your. :p


Would you accept a generic possessive pronoun then? :)


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