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gila January 4th, 2012 11:00 PM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -Luc- (Post 79192)
I think I should carry some units on the tanks to be have them on the front at the right time. Is it a good idea? Until we get BTRs, I see no better choice.

Why not just walk your infrantry units,that way get the nasties (AT units) before they do in your AFV's?
It's the best way unless you are in a rush,in this game you should never hurry:)

-Luc- January 5th, 2012 11:46 AM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
Hi,

I always believed that tanks were made for breaking the front.

They, as weapon system, have to be well protected, armed and fast... and, as objective, the domination of the battlefield.

They have to work with infantry, not to be protected by them!? If this is the case, SU-76/122/152 have been better choices.

I'm not a WW1 fan... ;)

***

Speed ​​is a key factor in the success of a military operation.

That's why it is essential that all weapon systems are at the right time at right place.

If one of them does not follow, the rhythm is broken.

The first to reach/occupy objectives is favored.

***

I did some tests yesterday and I think I'm gonna remplace my T-34/85s by IS-3s.

The protection is good and, with their AT ammos, they can destroy any NATO tanks.

I have to plan a good logistic to reammo them...

Thank you,

-Luc-

Suhiir January 5th, 2012 12:15 PM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -Luc- (Post 792016)
Hi,

I always believed that tanks were made for breaking the front.

They, as weapon system, have to be well protected, armed and fast... and, as objective, the domination of the battlefield.

They have to work with infantry, not to be protected by them!? If this is the case, SU-76/122/152 have been better choices.

I'm not a WW1 fan... ;)

***

Speed ​​is a key factor in the success of a military operation.

That's why it is essential that all weapon systems are at the right time at right place.

If one of them does not follow, the rhythm is broken.

The first to reach/occupy objectives is favored.

***

I did some tests yesterday and I think I'm gonna remplace my T-34/85s by IS-3s.

The protection is good and, with their AT ammos, they can destroy any NATO tanks.

I have to plan a good logistic to reammo them...

Thank you,

-Luc-

Come the 70's when ATGMs start to show up on the battlefield I think you'll find out that while speed and tanks have their uses the classic armored steamroller becomes more suicidal then successful. But since you're in the 40's enjoy it while you can.

Aeraaa January 5th, 2012 12:36 PM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
Although in the 80ies tanks become quite resistant to most ATGM again (with the exception of TOWs...)

Roman January 6th, 2012 01:40 AM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -Luc- (Post 788272)
Hi,

I restarted my long campaign (1948-1991/200 battles) as commander of Soviet forces against NATO (USA/UK/France).

Here is my new and better (I think) TO&E (1948/06):

HQ :
HQ - 1X GAZ JEEP,
1X Riffle section - 1X GAZ-66;

RECCE platoon :
5X Scout team - 5X White scout car;

Engineer platoon:
1X PT-34,
1X T-34 BTU,
1X Engineer - 1X GAZ-66;

Motorized infantry company:
10X Riffle section - 3X RPG-6 team - 10X GAZ-66,
3X 7.62 SMG MMG - 1X GAZ-66;

Tank platoon:
4X T-34/85;

Support platoon:
3X 82mm mortar - 1X GAZ-66,
3X 76mm Anti-tank gun - 3X GAZ-66;

Mortar platoon:
1X Riffle section - 1X GAZ-66,
1X Art observer - 1X GAZ JEEP,
3X 82mm mortar - 1X GAZ-66,
3X 120mm Mortar - 3X GAZ-66;

Artillery platoon:
1X Riffle section - 1X GAZ-66,
1X Art observer - 1X GAZ OP JEEP,
3X 76mm gun - 3X GAZ-66;

Ammo section:
2X Ammo container - 2X GAZ-66;

Anti-Air platoon:
5X ZSU M-16;

Regimental artillery platoon:
3X OFF-MAP 152mm D-1 FG.

The battlefield (100x50) will be again automatically generated by the game.

However, I'll change the location of objectives for more realism.

Thank you,

-Luc-

I'm trying to create or the same campaign you but I have a question.
Did you create this force of an oob own? Why not find the rifle sections that support the mortar platoon. Nor is a section of engineers. I have only to choose options platoons as smaller units. Do you understand?
Regards

-Luc- January 6th, 2012 04:15 PM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman (Post 792079)
I'm trying to create or the same campaign you but I have a question.
Did you create this force of an oob own? Why not find the rifle sections that support the mortar platoon. Nor is a section of engineers. I have only to choose options platoons as smaller units. Do you understand?
Regards

This is a modified TO&E I have created from real data...

It represents, in my opinion, a fraction of a soviet battalion in 1948.

The riffle section you see (Mortar/Artillery platoon) represent their HQ and... defence.

With these forces, the battle lasts about 50 turns of 90; can you imagine with more!

The organizational structure will change a little bitin 1954...

***

So... here is my new TO&E (1949/01):

HQ :
HQ - 1X GAZ JEEP,
1X Riffle section - 1X GAZ-66;

RECCE platoon :
5X Scout team (RPG-2) - 5X White scout car;

Engineer platoon:
1X PT-34,
1X T-34 BTU,
1X Engineer - 1X GAZ-66;

Motorized infantry company:
4X SMG section - 6X Riffle section (4X RPG-2/2X Sniper) - 3X RPG-2 team - 10X GAZ-66,
3X 7.62 SMG MMG - 1X GAZ-66;

Tank platoon:
4X IS-3;

Support platoon:
3X 82mm mortar - 1X GAZ-66,
3X 85mm D-44 AT gun - 3X GAZ-66;

Mortar platoon:
1X Riffle section - 1X GAZ-66,
1X Art observer - 1X GAZ JEEP,
3X 82mm mortar - 1X GAZ-66,
3X 120mm Mortar - 3X GAZ-66;

Artillery platoon:
1X Riffle section - 1X GAZ-66,
1X Art observer - 1X GAZ OP JEEP,
3X 122mm M-30 FH - 3X GAZ-66;

Ammo section:
2X Ammo container - 2X GAZ-66;

Anti-Air platoon:
5X ZSU M-16;

Regimental artillery platoon:
3X OFF-MAP 152mm D-1 FG

I'm setting next battle!

Thank you!

-Luc-

Roman January 7th, 2012 02:44 AM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
Ok. thanks for responding. I will investigate to change the TO&E. Regards

Roman January 8th, 2012 12:53 AM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by -Luc- (Post 792113)
Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman (Post 792079)
I'm trying to create or the same campaign you but I have a question.
Did you create this force of an oob own? Why not find the rifle sections that support the mortar platoon. Nor is a section of engineers. I have only to choose options platoons as smaller units. Do you understand?
Regards

This is a modified TO&E I have created from real data...

It represents, in my opinion, a fraction of a soviet battalion in 1948.

The riffle section you see (Mortar/Artillery platoon) represent their HQ and... defence.

With these forces, the battle lasts about 50 turns of 90; can you imagine with more!

The organizational structure will change a little bitin 1954...

***

So... here is my new TO&E (1949/01):

HQ :
HQ - 1X GAZ JEEP,
1X Riffle section - 1X GAZ-66;

RECCE platoon :
5X Scout team (RPG-2) - 5X White scout car;

Engineer platoon:
1X PT-34,
1X T-34 BTU,
1X Engineer - 1X GAZ-66;

Motorized infantry company:
4X SMG section - 6X Riffle section (4X RPG-2/2X Sniper) - 3X RPG-2 team - 10X GAZ-66,
3X 7.62 SMG MMG - 1X GAZ-66;

Tank platoon:
4X IS-3;

Support platoon:
3X 82mm mortar - 1X GAZ-66,
3X 85mm D-44 AT gun - 3X GAZ-66;

Mortar platoon:
1X Riffle section - 1X GAZ-66,
1X Art observer - 1X GAZ JEEP,
3X 82mm mortar - 1X GAZ-66,
3X 120mm Mortar - 3X GAZ-66;

Artillery platoon:
1X Riffle section - 1X GAZ-66,
1X Art observer - 1X GAZ OP JEEP,
3X 122mm M-30 FH - 3X GAZ-66;

Ammo section:
2X Ammo container - 2X GAZ-66;

Anti-Air platoon:
5X ZSU M-16;

Regimental artillery platoon:
3X OFF-MAP 152mm D-1 FG

I'm setting next battle!

Thank you!

-Luc-

Could you send me the file that changed oob? Is to study and made ​​the change. Thanks and regards

Paderborn January 11th, 2012 04:51 PM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
I'm enjoying your campaign though I'm surprised with the easy destruction of the M-46 tanks by the T-34/85 tanks. I look forward to following the rest of the campaign. Thanks!

Paderborn January 13th, 2012 10:09 AM

Re: CCCP vs NATO long campaign (1948-1991)
 
Hi Luc

I'm really enjoying your campaign and especially appreciate the inclusion of screenshots! :D Paderborn


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