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Re: IDF OOB project.

You guys are awesome.

Re: IDF OOB project.

All I've come across thus far was...
1. Non-Winch equipped M3 Halftracks carried a roller which laid down a material that allowed the M3 to cross some trenchs of limited width.

2. The SdKfz 251/5 was a designated version typed as an "Assualt Engineer Carrier" still trying to find particulars on this, but my guess is it's more heavily armored.

A couple of other types that came up in that search I don't know are in the game (WinSPWW2) are...

3. The SdKfz 251/20 Uhu (Owl). These vehicles were designed in support most notably of specialized units trained in night combat with supporting PANTHER tanks. They were equipped with IR search lights and "other specialized equipment".

4. And finally the BREN "WASP" flame-thrower carrier. If you own the Blu-Ray (Don't know about other formats.) of "A Bridge To Far" at the beginning of the movie (Using actual WWII footage of this and other...) they show 3 or 4 on the move attacking a position.

But I feel Andy is right about the "APC" engineer type vehicles, seems more a post war item. Items 1 & 2 are the closest I can find so far.

I'll amend the above for the German side the SdKfz 251/5 and 251/7 WILL fit the bill this ref. shows a rendering of the latter but the descriptions of each would to my mind "seal the deal" below. Further down based on my search is info on the UHU/OWL note from it's rendering the night binos that seem to have some kind of tech associated with them mounted on the forward MG. They don't look like typical Naval night search "binos" of the era. Interesting.
http://axistanksworldwarii.devhub.co...enpanzerwagen/
http://fallschirmjager.tumblr.com/po...u-sdkfz-251-20

Regards,
Pat

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Wanted to post this ref as well it notes that the SdKfz 251/20 worked in a Unit of one of these with 6 IR equipped PANTHERS and Infantry with specialized night combat equipped weapons (With VAMPIRE scopes.) to protect the 251/20 UHU, Range of it's IR Searchlight was 1.5km.
The troops were carried in the SdKfz 251/21 FALKE (See REF 1 from previous post. Also these were IR equipped as well.) These units/battle groups saw combat on both fronts from 1944 on.
http://www.pietvanhees.nl/251/251-20.htm
http://www.pietvanhees.nl/251/infrared.htm
http://www.pietvanhees.nl/251/vampire.htm
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/german-...heinwerfer.htm

Sorry I strayed with this last, but can you imagine if they had more of these units/battle groups?

Regards,
Pat

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Is the "doghouse" on the Nagmachon fixed ? I assume it is but I thought I'd ask. Also, still waiting for an answer to post #26

Don

Re: IDF OOB project.

Don,
Until Amit gets back to you this is what I found in the short term. Appears the KMT-4 and NOCHRI DALET are the same, with that in mind I got the M60A1 Mag'ach BLAZER & Mag'ach 6A (Both pictured below.), MERKAVA Mk II (Seems all types.) and the MERKAVA Mk III BAZ (Strange but this is the only variant I could confirm in the Mk III) and nothing came up for the Mk IV. Of course the PUMA is already in the OOB.
http://www.online-utility.org/image/...e=Merkava+tank

Pics:
Attachment 12644 Attachment 12645

Regards,
Pat

Re: IDF OOB project.

OK thanks. I've prepared revised Icons that show rollers rather than plows on the Merks

Re: IDF OOB project.

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Originally Posted by gingertanker (Post 821921)

Magach Chaos!

Yep....

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Originally Posted by gingertanker (Post 821921)

Unit 023 Mag'ach 5, Unit 024 Mag'ach 5:
Start date for 023 should be 1979, Mag'ach 5 was the M48A5, only sold to Israel that year...Obsolete tank unit should exist from 1970 at the least.

Okey so far for today, I will try to post next on the rest of the Mag'ach units in the OOB(there are alot).

Start date was 1969 with an end date of 12/71 all you tell me is to change the start date to 10 years later but nothing about end date......should I just guess it's 10 years later as well ? Also you give me unit 23 start date but nothing about 24 and if the start date is 1979 then the gun ( ammo ) should be upgraded to w27 so this fix created more questions than it solved

Don

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Originally Posted by gingertanker (Post 821928)

Magach Chaos 2!

Correction to my previous post which I cant seem to be able to edit:

Obsolete tank unit for Mag'ach 5 should be avilable from 1980 and not 1970. my finger slipped.

Could you give me a hint how long they should be kept in service ??

Re: IDF OOB project.

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Originally Posted by gingertanker (Post 821928)

Magach Chaos 2!

Slot 031 can now be used for Magach 6C:the M60A3 supplied to Israel from 1985 to 1990. It should be identical to the original M60A3 but with IR. Availability should be 1985 to 1993 in standing units, and a corresponding obsolete tank unit for reserve units available from 1985 to the late 1990s.

Units 033 and 034 Magach 6B should have ERA.

so what happens to unit 32....... is it OK ? I don't think so based on the changes you asked for with the others

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Originally Posted by gingertanker (Post 821932)

Tiran tanks

The first thing to note about all of these units, is that if we maintain the current way the IDF oob works, that reserve formations use the obsolete tank unit class, than all of these need to be change to obsolete tanks. All Tirans were used by reserve units. IF(and personally I think this is a big if) IDF reserve tank formations need to have a -5 moral and exp modifier, than so should the Tiran units..

I am going to maintain the Tiran units separate from the " obsolete tank " class ( looking to change that UC to "Reserve Tank" )

Understand RE Tiran units should have the same moral and exp modifier and I also understand your " big if " reservations about -5 but the Israeli OOB already has one of the highest ratings. Do you REALLY think reservists are no different than regular units ?

Don