Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

XP to me is OK. In fact that's what my machine is using. I did have ME on this thing when I bought it but ME sucked big time so I went to XP for the first time. I got to install some new drivers for my display due to having a blue screen of death at least twice a week. Sometimes once a day.
But I would much rather run 2000. 2000 was/is the best OS that micro$lave has put out IMHO. But that's just me. It may be different for other Users.

Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

XP Sucks? Well depends what you compare it to. To win98 then maybe. Compared to winME though it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. The fact that certain software (such as Roxio Direct CD ver 4) no longer work in XP really sucks too. Especially if you use it daily like I do. And how big a scaam is it that the built in CD support that comes with XP and is made by Roxio is a way scalled down Version.
Here is a good one. How to get my printer to work after a reboot on XP. Go to the system Hardware settings, go the to LPT1 properties and change the 'use Interupt' setting. Printer works. After next reboot change it back to previous setting to get printer to work. How wierd is that.

Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

Normally I don't have problems with my ram. When I do, that's when a good format/reinstall of Windows is in order and makes everything run nice and smooth (including 45 second boot times!). Otherwise, I use Maxmem by AnalogX (www.analogx.com). The bad part about memory cleaners (all of them!) is that they actually _increase_ disk usage to some degree. That is, you dump out everything in the RAM, and then have to wait while your computer reloads everything it was actually using, while the dead weight is (hopefully) gone until the program that caused the mem usage or mem leak is loaded/used again.

As for OSes, I use Win98 first edition on my main computer (I don't have SE and I'm too damn cheap to get it). WinXP has a bad habit of consuming a large portion of RAM (I'm pretty sure this is why most gaming articles on the issue I've read denounce XP and cite benchmark tests to back it up).

Now, I remember back in the day where we had 64 megs of RAM and we were happy. Nowdays you need 256 before your computer can crash without giving you an out of memory error for trying to load the blue screen of death!

Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

Well as I run Visual Studio.Net I'm limitied to either one of two operating systems - XP or 2k.
Ran 2k since about 2000 (coincidece?...maybe not http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif ) and I liked it except Warlords Battlecry patch 1 didn't work and the thing took forever to boot (although I only rebooted once every 2 months but it still pissed me off). XP boots lightning fast, you can turn all the annoying visual effects off to boost performance and its really stable.

I won't upgade to XP patch 1 yet thou, coz I don't like the "Microsoft reserves the right to screw with your machine and make things not work whenever the feel like it" clause. Yep, your computer will automatically patch itself (when connected to the net) and until I find a hacking too to turn it off then I'm not upgrading.

Askan

BTW - WinMe blows. At our office we've got so sick of it we've decided to say our software not longer supports it.

Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

Hmm... for everyone who's saying that Win2000 is more stable than Win98SE... I don't really think so. I usually end up having the 2000 machines here hang (hang meaning I have to wait a few minutes for Ctrl-Alt-Del to let me log off) about once every two hours on average here. My Win98SE machine at home I would get a BSoD about once a week (and that was about 30 hours of use). The only thing that's really "stable" about 2000 is you can usually get away with logging off, and logging back in (USUALLY... I've had to cut the power a few times).

XP Pro, while I haven't used it for as much time as the others, I haven't crashed yet. And I've tried a few times http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif XP Home, I've managed to hang quite a few times for the short amount of time I was playing with it.

But, overall, I still prefer Win98SE. I don't know of any programs where you can run it on one of the newer OS, but not on 98SE. I know where most of the settings/customization is (I won't say all, because there's probably some obscure thing that I would never use that I don't know about), and it's easier to change settings than the other ones. After all, "user-friendly" implies methods to prevent "user stupidity", even if they really did mean to change that setting.

Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

I'm going to upgrade to WinXP when I get some extra money to spend on the computer. I don't buy a lot of criticism here because most haven't used it enough to make an accurate comparision to the programs they're familiar with. I don't anticipate any major problems when I switch.

Fyron - You can always change the desktop to look like previous windows editions...if that's you're only beef http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif .

Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

MS Windows XP EULA states that you have to renew EVERY TWO YEARS.

Here are a couple of links have the Windows XP EULA and that statement (even one for the UK)
http://www.cw360.com/bin/bladerunner?REQSESS=Jc28AN7 S&REQAUTH=0&2149REQEVENT=&CARTI=105872&CARTT=2&CCA T=2&CCHAN=19&CFLAV=1
http://www.microsoft.com/uk/licensing/programmes/open/
http://www.empower.gb.com/pdf_guides...ing%20work.pdf
http://216.239.33.100/search?q=Cache...2&hl=en&ie=UTF -8

But you get to buy it at a "discount".

Thanks, buy no thanks.

98SE or 2K is good enough for me... or there's always Linux....

Kirby

Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

"I don't buy a lot of criticism here because most haven't used it enough to make an accurate comparision to the programs they're familiar with."

Uh, they don't work and they did under 98. That's a fairly simple comparision. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif An upgrade that breaks what you want to do with the computer isn't much of an upgrade..

Phoenix-D

Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Woops...I should have been more clear...I meant OSs they are familiar with. I don't use lots of older or obscure programs, so I'm not concerned about that kind of stuff. I'm sure lots of crap didn't work with Win95 that did with Win3.1, things change.

Re: OT - RAM utilities -> XP sucks? -> ME is worse?
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No it doesn't. What you're refering to is if a business or organization wants to buy several copies of winXP. They have the option to rent it for two years for less than it would cost them to buy it.

Home Users get to use winXP for as long as they care to.

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[ October 22, 2002, 19:38: Message edited by: Spoo ]