Re: Simultaneous game issue
 

Understood.
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I was answering your question, I did not realize at the time were you were heading. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif
I was poking fun of my self, only.

I Meant no disrespect to others.

It won't happen again.

[ May 08, 2003, 23:58: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: Simultaneous game issue
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Which eliminates the possibility of others being able to use the PC, which is wholely counter-productive.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">O'Kay, I was not considering productivity, just securing the PC; so I may get a bite to eat and no one will fiddle with my game turn.

In regards to shuting the PC down, my kids don't even turn the lights off behind them http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[ May 09, 2003, 00:21: Message edited by: JLS ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">FYI--The exact story is as follows:

"When about baptise the King [Aongus], Patrick thrust his pastoral staff, by its sharp iron point, into the earth-as he thought. But it was through the foot of Aongus he thrust it. He discovered his grave mistake only when the ceremony was finished. "Why did you not tell me this?" he cried to the king. And Aongus answered simply, "Because I thought it was part of the ceremony."

This is copied directly from page 117 of the book "The Story of the Irish Race, A popular History of Ireland, Written by Seumas MacManus.

So you see, it is not a racist joke at all but a documented history. I'm sure JLS intended no offence.

Re: Simultaneous game issue
 

Anyways back to the topic. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

It would appear that there is some concern that by saving a game in "midstream" may give information to a hacker to do serious damage to the game or give himself an unfair advantage.

I do know the turn is encrypted when it is saved as a .plr file.

For 20 years I was a Mac user and we had programs that could look at the structure of the program in memory and on a floppy or hard drive.

I know this because I did it. I was curious about the structure of the program and the way the data was saved. And the "savegame" files were not encrypted. If they were, it would would have made it immeasureably harder to decipher the data and probably would have stopped me in my tracks.

I would imagine those programs are still available for the Mac and for the PC as well. So the dedicated "enthusiast" should be able to locate and print out the program which is in memory.

He should also be able to locate and print out the "savegame" .plr file in whatever format he wishes. I was particularly fond of two, but hexadecimal was my favourite with ordered columns of hex data. But as mentioned the .plr file is encrypted so the dedicated "enthusiast" would have to have the skills of a cryptologist as well to make any sense of the data.

One way to break a code would be to make just a single change and compare the two results. That probably will not work now as the the algorithyms used have become much more sophisticated to make savegame files completely different from the earlier Version of the saved .plr file which was saved for comparison purposes.

What we need from MM is the ablity to save an incomplete move with the use of a completely different algorthym. Someone who takes weeks and even months to decipher the savegame algorithm for a incomplete move will not be able to use it to decipher the final .plr file.

Just a few cents worth. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not necessarily accurate. And, just because something is historical does not mean it can not be racist. Also, the way in which JLS started that whole line was indeed racist. Try reading the whole thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

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I agree with QBridgid, and the so-called perpetrator, http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif that it was not racist.

I thought he was just poking fun at himself. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

But it would be a different kettle of fish if he was not Irish.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Re: Simultaneous game issue
 

[quote]Originally posted by Imperator Fyron:

Quote:

the way in which JLS started that whole line was indeed racist. Try reading the whole thread. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Fryon.

Thread: Simultaneous game.

My post regards to a method I use for saving a Simultaneous game before ending a turn so one may go back to that turn at any point in his or her game. This does have merits. As I pointed out in that post.

Example when to save before an event:
Opening a (out a) Home System Warp.
Attacking an AI Planet.
Prior to a major AI battle.

Also asking Geo to help out in what I was posting, to check for it accuracy and substance.

In which a very informative and professional exchange transpired between Geo, Rutha and myself.

Grand Lord Vito was helped by my Post in his No Warp Game.

Inspiring another exchange of enlightening Posts.

My Posts to Rutha and Geo were Polite and Professional.

A little saving throw wittiness was attempted by myself with Geo and Grandpa Kim; both of whom I have the utmost respect for.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">With a name like O’Sullivan, trust me I am Irish. And I am slow. I can’t spell or type ~.
Up until February 2003 very little experience posting.
But still not racisms.
So far, just my Ethnicity

This is where it should of ended.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">With your posting experience; you asked a question.

Assuming we were part of a family here or associates in the very least, at that point.

In my inexperience; I tried an attempt, to be yet again, witty.
Hence the rough passage from pre 1944 Popular history of Ireland novel.
Thick refereeing to Persistence in me. This has not been a bad quality, for the most part. In my life.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Understanding, that I was now; not entertaining and having a good time with an associate, and this was about to be escalated in to something very unfriendly.

In my desire to defuse what was about to come. I posted a public apology.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In your experience in posting. You follow up with a statement.

You now call me a Racist…

Even after my public apology to the Irishmen, Women and all on this forum.

This is a little brutal Fryon.

Is there no reason to show myself a little quarter. When in the essence of my original post was an successful attempt to have some benefit to our Community here on this thread and forum.

[ May 09, 2003, 16:27: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: Simultaneous game issue
 

JLS, on behalf of all women and Irish, of which I am neither, appology accepted. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

Fyron, drop it. No more out of you in this thread that isn't on topic. If you want to continue this irrelevant and distracting tangent contact JLS via PM, please.

EDIT: And that applies to everyone else as well. JLS made an offhand attempt at self depreciating humor. If you can't see it for what it was then take it up with him personally. Spare us all the constant bickering.

Geoschmo <Full moderator mode Off>

[ May 09, 2003, 16:28: Message edited by: geoschmo ]

Re: Simultaneous game issue
 

Will any of those Windows Power Toys/Tools, released conditional by MS; that give you split screen capabilities for 95 or 98 be of any help?

This way allowing another to work in there desktop environment. While your se4 environment will be minimized and possibly password protected.

[ May 09, 2003, 18:15: Message edited by: JLS ]

Re: Simultaneous game issue
 

Hmmmm....

It seems that most if not all players would like a "temporary" savegame feature.

Has anyone approached MM on this? And if they have responded, what is their position?