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Nope. King Lear's file won't work. I need a new one. I have sent him an email. I will send him a PM too, just in case that works better.
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Yeah, that is the correct map file, I found it also.
The pretenders without passwords: that does not matter for PBEM. However, if we migrate to a server, than that could eventually cause problems. But it is certainly not critical to have passwords in a friendly game. My motto is: Trust your neighbor, but cover your *** anyway. I always use pretender passwords myself. The mods: those look correct to me. |
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Should I notify the players who have not given passwords, in case they want to send new ones?
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Ok... as a good little host, I sent out emails to the players who did not make passwords for their pretenders.
Hopefully, we can start the game tonight or tomorrow. |
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I resent mine with a password. Thanks for the heads-up.
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Yeah : Request for Dom-3 :Allow passwords to be added/changed during the game.
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Excellent idea!
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I'd say get a passworded pretender from everybody. If it's not too much trouble, Pasha could recreate the pretenders lacking a password with passwords of his own devising, thus saving us the wait.
I trust everyone implicitly, as this is only a game, with little value on victory or defeat. The problem is, if the players that don't have a password on their pretenders don't have this trust, they are more than likely going to ruin the game for everybody sooner or later, if things don't go their way. (It can't be my strategy that is at fault: it must be my enemy viewing my turns! Hence, I will quit.) |
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As an update:
I have received 3 replacement pretenders for those that had no password. I am still waiting for King Lear to reply to my email and PM yesterday about needing a replacement pretender (because Dominions is rejecting it). By the way, does it matter what I call the new map? It is necessary that all players name the modified map the same? If yes, what are we naming the map? Pasha |
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You can call the .map file anything you want, and the players won't need it; it is only used to create the game, so you can delete it once the game is underway (after a few turns have run). You do not need to alter the name of the .tga file either, and you shouldn't do so. |
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Ok.
I have new pretenders from the folks that had not included passwords. Now, I am only waiting on King Lear to respond. Pasha |
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k Pasha, I've sent it again. I have no idea why it didn't work last time.
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Hmmmm. The new file sent by King Lear does not work. The program claims that it is not a "dominions file." Any suggestions? Ugh!
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Pretender files are supposed to be around 0.3 kb; is the size of his file more or less correct? And what exact error message is given? I think I recall that one, but...
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Nagot gick fel!
not a Dominions file (King Lear's file is about 512 bytes, while all of the others are about 290 bytes. Perhaps, he is not taking his file from the Newlords file? I sent him an email with that suggestion.) Pasha |
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0.5 kb is too much, I think: even a Pretender with lengthy titles does not get above 0.35, so I guess there's something odd in the file. Maybe it was created with the demo, or was made with a mod adding new pretenders, or some such.
It's not big enough to be an order file though, as even an empty turn 1 order file weights more than 3 kb. |
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Or it isn't being sent as a proper attachment due to error on his or his email client's part, or he's sending one from the Dom3 beta, or Space Empires, or a file from Minesweeper. Hard for anyone to really say, since due to the anonymous nature of the game you can't actually tell us what you received. If you look at the raw data of the email message, it should have something akin to this (my pretender file for Undead game, emailed to myself): <font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> --Message-Boundary-1026 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-disposition: inline Content-description: Attachment information. The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: tienchi.2h Date: 21 Jul 2005, 22:02 Size: 307 bytes. Type: Unknown --Message-Boundary-1026 Content-type: Application/Octet-stream; name="tienchi.2h"; type=Unknown Content-disposition: attachment; filename="tienchi.2h" Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 AQIERE9NEDsAANQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP////8PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhKjgjID0rPE8ZqijWFng5 MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAtAAFAP///////wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/////wAdKisq KiIqPU8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD/////////////AAAAAAAAAAAAAP////////////8A AAAAAAAABgQAAAQDCQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD AgED/f8DID0rbyApbwIuKCIuY28HKm8YJyBvHDsgIypvOycqbwkmPSp jbx8qPTwqLDo7ID1v LiErbwsqPDs9IDYqPW8gKW8WIDo7J08jAAAABAAAAHsAAADAfQ == --Message-Boundary-1026-- </pre><hr /> |
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King Lear should try to zip the pretender file and resend it. Sometimes email servers does odd things to files in the clear.
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So a compatriot could suggest a 100% working email company for King Lear and he uses this one then. Having to zip every turnfile is way too much work, at least i would be too lazy to zip all my turnfiles http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif. |
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The file is coming out of my newlords directory: countryname.2h. It is 4 kb when I send it. i've played in pbem games before, so I'm not quite sure what's up. Suggestions? Of course, I could just send the specks for it to zooko if you think that would work.
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What's the size when you look at it in the newlords directory itself, the file itself before you send it? If it's over 1K (that's what Windoze shows it as - they're really 200-400 bytes) there's probably something wrong with it, verifiable by starting a new game with that nation.
Try to make sure your email program (which is what, by the way? So people can give better advice.) is getting it as an attachment, and using Mime encoding and not, mmm, UUEncode or somesuch (Mac's and a few other machines used a variant encoding for mail / Usenet that couldn't easily be handled on Intel machines). And as someone pointed out, if you make a zip file containing the pretender and mail the zip file, that might work better. |
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Hi All:
Ok. I now have pretenders for everyone, including King Lear. Whew! Now... the problem is that 3 pretender STILL don't have passwords, even after being resubmitted. Isn't that goofy? What's up with that? Ugh! Why is this particular game cursed with these particular difficulties? Lack of passwords could prove problematic if the game is ever on a server. Pasha |
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Nevermind. Only 1 pretender is still without a password. I have sent an email to the player in question. Then, I do believe we will be able to get this game going!
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I think all games are plagued with problems like people not putting passwords on the pretenders, it's just that this game you're checking on the passwords. That, and with 17 players, there's that many more people to do something wrong compared to a game with 6-10. As I said - it'd be nice if you could set or change a password after pretender creation (so that if I'm using "password" for my password, but have to tell someone who's going to sub for me, I can change all the others). Or if it prompted you for a password when saving, just to remind people, who could still leave it without a password. (Oh, and if you could change the password, then you could change just the one you're having someone substitute in, and not have to change all the others.) |
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Almost there... just 1 more day (at the most, I hope).
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Cainhill - You are dead right on. I have done or seen pretty much everything you said in your post.
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You were rite panther, zipping it took care of the file problem. Good call
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Ok. The curse continues. One player needed to send me a password'ed pretender file, but he sent me a file for the wrong nation (and I did not notice until too late and screwed up my backups). So, now I need new pretenders from both players.
By the way, I leave for Chicago on Thursday - Saturday. However, Alneyan has agreed to play substitute host while I am away. I will make sure he knows all the necessary details and has the necessary files. Pasha |
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Thanks for all your work on this, Pasha. I, for one, really appreciate the fact that you're going through all this hassle just so that 17 other people can have fun.
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Heh. Any bets on how many players, when the game is started, will turn out to have forgotten their passwords, necessitating another restart or two? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif And yes - thanks Pasha; hopefully you're in criminal law, so all evidence of human foibles will serve you in good stead. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif |
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I was soo tempted to remake my pretender over the weekend, because Oceania has so many good choices for a pretender. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
And I'd take that bet Cainehill, but I can see it happening too, then we have another small delay. Thus, I wrote my password down so I wouldn't forget. |
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oh for the days when we could simply rely on people's honesty =) No matter, and Pasha, great job
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Thank you... thank you... it's fun to actually look at everyone's pretenders, etc.
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Hmmmm... I cannot answer that question quite yet. I would need more time to review them. But, I would be happy to do that. However, I dare say that the real creativity would not become apparent until the pretenders were finally put into action! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
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I am still waiting on the 2 pretenders. I sent 2nd reminders just in case they got lost.
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The ones that weren't recognized as pretender files were probably the most creative. Heh. |
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I'm still waiting on one pretender. Ugh!
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Still Waiting
Ok. I have sent all of the files to Alneyan, and he will be the host while I am away. I will check in tonight, but I fly to Chicago first thing tomorrow morning.
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So please forward the files Pasha requested to me, or else... well, something nasty will happen.
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We are still waiting on a particular player to send in a replacement pretender. He should know who he is, because I have sent him a bevy of emails and a PM.
See ya all on Saturday! |
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I got the last file, so you should get your turns in the next hour or so.
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Except, of course, that there is a problem: I do not have the latest Zen mods (not all of them anyway), and Arryn's site seems to be down at the moment. Could someone please forward all mods (just to be sure) to me? Thanks.
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Just over 6 weeks to start a game - seems like a long time to me. I just hope I last that long in the game http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif
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Well, Zen's site did have one of the mods I missed, and I had downloaded the other one (but forgotten all about it), so the game is now started.
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heh the pretender names are kinda interesting http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif .
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