Re: jotu replacement
 

ive had that happen in pretty much every mp game ive played too.

Re: jotu replacement
 

Hmm...

Anyway, looks like just Caelum needs to submit a turn, then the next turn is up.

Re: jotu replacement
 

ya, you all can just wait a couple hours. im getting *****ed at on all sides to finish =)

Re: jotu replacement
 

Aw sonofa...When I left, Jotun hadn't done their turn, so inbetween the time it took from then till I woke up today, two turns passed. Damn!

Re: jotu replacement
 

Sorry for the delay, diplomacy takes time after all. New turn is hosted.

Re: jotu replacement
 

ive had the recruiting problem too, im going to try recruiting 1 more than resources allow and see if that helps

Re: jotu replacement
 

oh and btw ermor feel free not to expand anymore southeast (i dont want to hurt you)

Re: jotu replacement
 

big words for a little nation =)

Re: jotu replacement
 

This should never happen. You might be overlooking something obvious (like reading the numbers incorrectly), though I don't see how that could be.

Send me a couple of turn files (with the password) plus the 2h files, and I will see if you are doing something wrong.

Re: jotu replacement
 

Hey, is anyone willing to play jotunheim? I am completely uninterested in playing this race and I've done the turns 5-7 requested. In the event that Tom is gone for long term, I wouldn't be able to even put in the time to play this game since I'm in the other. I did decently I think and took all the surrounding provinces of my capital before effectively being boxed in. However, the army I think is decent enough to be able to take on one nation to make a push if need be. Not to mention, one of the provinces I control is actually pretty valuable containing shamans a recruit.

Re: jotu replacement
 

sucks that you lost two very expensive nifel giants in the process, though.

Re: jotu replacement
 

I'll do it. Just PM me the password and info on NAPs, wars, and alliances using this board. My other two games are finishing up, and I'll need another,

Re: jotu replacement
 

i may be small but im pretty tough

Re: jotu replacement
 

Heh, actually it didn't hurt as much as you think. (though I DID lost a gyjga off a miscalculation and wrong scripting and that hurt) I bought the giants from just converting a bunch of gems into gold.

Re: jotu replacement
 

I have never seen a cheat message except in cases where someone used the wrong mod to create a pretender. If you are still seeing them my guess would be its because those nations didnt use the right mod. Perhaps you should kill them off? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Recently I found out that the rumor is that this is a result of using the CB 5.2 mod. I am not really sure how a mod could cause a bug tho?? Since all it really does is change around some numbers...

Re: jotu replacement
 

I would suggest for the next CB mod that we go back to 5.0 and implement the agreed changes. There is definitely something wrong with recruitment, but I don't think anyone's figured out exactly what causes the bug, so it is very hard to fix, especially since it seems to happen on any variety of unit.

Re: jotu replacement
 

I think panther tried to improve the usefullness of resource scales in 5.2

Re: jotu replacement
 

I think quantum_mechani (not Panther) is doing a fine job on the cb mod (along with many suggestions and contributions from the community).

I've seen the resource bug as well, but its not really a showstopper. I thought maybe it had to do with sloth/productivity scales changing, but I don't really know.

According to Tom Scudders post, he'll be back tuesday.

One other comment: being mictlan in such a crowded game is rough.

Re: jotu replacement
 

mictlan? just use your f9 blessed jaguars for early expansion until you get some blood going... you do have those don't you? :p

and the resource bug is an old one, but has been seemingly much more common in recent versions of the CB mod... i don't think anyone really knows why.

Re: jotu replacement
 

Thanks, I've sent you an email with the latest 2 turns. Let me know if I'm seeing things or it's truly a "feature" (as we say at work when we find problems in our application).

Resource bug
 

I looked at the turns sent by Shmonk. He definitely cannot use all the available resources in his capitol.

My preliminary conclusion is that it is caused by the new statement added to Version 5.2:
#resourcemult 120

This seems to be reducing the usable resources by 20% (when you have sloth?). Perhaps this was intended, perhaps not. However, even if intended, it does seems problematic (or even annoying) when you don't have all the resources displayed availble to actually recruit.

This seems even worse than the problem of having to keep track of resources used for the guy in the queue under any game version...

Re: Resource bug
 

Well, I think I'm fine playing with this as is. It is the first game I've played with CB 5.2, and also the first time I took some sloth. I guess other people using 5.2 have seen this though or have heard of it, so it's not that big a deal (though a little annoying). Knowing the calculation issue should help me better calculate the actual resources I can use for recruiting each turn.

Thanks for looking into it Panther.

Re: Resource bug
 

Phew that was a wicked turn. Almost lost my pretender. He was down to 23 health...no Afflications to boot! Guess the luck gods haven't totally abandoned me for taking misfortune.

Ran into some new friends along my borders. Hey you two (you know who you are).

Re: Resource bug
 

Yes, I have been aware of the issue with the command since the problem cropped up in a blitz shortly after 5.2's release. The line, if it worked properly, would have increased the amount of resources available globally by 20%. Unfortunately, the modding command itself apears to be bugged and so will have to be removed next version.

Re: Resource bug
 

"A fire has destroyed the arcane laboratory." - what a nice result, there go 200 GCs and some research.

Ok, I know most of my neighbors now. Hello Man, Mictlan, Tien Chi, C'tis and Pangea. No much space left - lets go for 98 next (just as a warning to Pangea).

Peace and harmony from Ermor; eternal peace and harmony, that is. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I\'m baaack.
 

Thanks to KB for taking my turns for me. My very small nation of very big people is ready to get some work done. Too bad about losing a few niefel giants, but it's all in the service of the Cause.

Cheers, thanks all, and sorry for making it that much harder to get these turns out of the way quickly.

Re: Resource bug
 

Ah, this makes perfect sense. I thought that Schmonk's resources seemed high for taking sloth 2. Apparently, using the command will display the extra 20% resources but not allow them to actually be used. I bet it has nothing to do with taking sloth.

Too bad it does not work, for it is a good idea to add more resources globally to make high protection national troops easier to recruit, especially now that the gold cost of many has been reduced.

Re: Resource bug
 

Um...something like that.

Mictlan!
 

Miiiiiiiictllaaaaaan! Get out of my home province!

Your fire- and water-blessed furries will pay!

Re: Resource bug
 

im next to ermor and pan iirc, who is everyone else next to?

Re: I\'m baaack.
 

Np. Sorry I would've been more careful with the attack but I really took the big risk to claim that province before another nation took it. (Since I staled the first turn)

Re: I\'m baaack.
 

Well, in any case there was one humongous piece of good luck on your watch, and I'd rather have a lucky sub than a good one any day =)

Re: I\'m baaack.
 

You send me a message to back off and then attack with that disgusting vampire queen *on the same turn*? You are fortunate that the lord of Mictlan is a patient god and is willing to overlook your transgressions if you will agree to a compromise. I will send you a PM, no need for these other evil nations to get any ideas.

Re: I\'m baaack.
 

Hey I'm at college all day and can't check on the results. Can someone check the stats for me? Did TC get a province this turn? how about mercs? do I still own the archers in white?

Your wish is my command
 

You picked up one province. The archers are once again in your service.

Re: Your wish is my command
 

perfect, thank you

Re: Your wish is my command
 

ermor, that power radiating thaumaturg isnt aimed at me is it?

Re: Your wish is my command
 

na - he is just trying to live a happy life ... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: Your wish is my command
 

lol, 2 other notes for 2 different people
to pan: im a little worried about that large army beside me...
to tien chi: im going to attack 74 (lettia) unless you want to come to an agreement?

War has been joined
 

The nation of Jotunheim, finding itself boxed in on all sides, has declared war upon the dangerous expansionist mercenary-hoarding powers of Tien Chi.

Besides which, they were massing Hoburg Militias on our border. What could be more threatening?

Re: War has been joined
 

an old man with a blunt set of denchers? maybe he is taking that whole: multiple enemies ganging up on giants to a new level?

Re: War has been joined
 

This public diplomacy thing is entertaining. Keep it up, guys!

Re: War has been joined
 

lol, might as well keep any silent watchers informed. also that open decleration of war could have been to rally other nations to his call

Re: War has been joined
 

It is the hoburg producing province http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif where else would they show up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

anyway I hope you enjoyed the game, for it shall be over for you very shortly

and shovah, lettia is all yours

shovah is making good headway into becomming a valuable neighbor of mine http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Re: War has been joined
 

Tien Chi is the biggest nation out there, if he's half as aggressive as Man, all his neighbors better watch out!

Re: War has been joined
 

hey im one of his neighbors and i resent that :p

Re: War has been joined
 

I am only aggressive towards iindependants, and now jotunhiem. I am happy to live in peace for as long as it is reasonable with any of my many neighbors.

Re: War has been joined
 

im remaining neutral http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Man v Mictlan!
 

"Aggressive as Man?"

I say, sir, you are a dastardly fellow. You took my capital without provocation and as we speak a huge force of your blood-thirsty madmen rampage through the Avalon forests towards my capital once more! As mighty as you might believe your hell-spawned demons and animal-pelt-wearing fools are, they will be no match for the wardens and crones of Avalon!

Your cowardly expeditionary force received what they deserved for desecrating holy ground: swift, merciless justice at the hands of the Black Annis. The blood of your misguided eastern army will go to my Queen, just as your Prophet's did. Her steel claws will rend the flesh of all who oppose her!

Consider your request for tribute rejected.

Re: Man v Mictlan!
 

Get em! (notice I could be rooting for either of you...well played sir, well played)