Re: cylon models
 

Actually, I still think Gaius is a special type of Cylon. Unfortunately for me, I haven't been able to watch the last few episodes, so I have no idea about these Hybrid peopole that you're "talking" about. Hope to fix this situation soon, as it's killing me not to be able to watch this show.

Re: cylon models
 

What are you basing these names on? I suspect its just irony.

Re: cylon models
 

The cylon models aren't based on any specific "humans", correct.

We know from the fact that "Caprica" will be made focussing on the Adama family and young william will be in it, I think, so as the Cylons don't copy humans then Bill Adama, and by connection Apollo, can't be cylon agents.

Therea re hints about Baltar, but if he is a Cylon then why go to the trouble of seducing him with Caprica 6, unless he somehow lost his memory more permanently than Sharon 1.

Incidentally, I must have missed some stuff. How exactly does Sharon 1 act these days. It's hard to keep track with so many copies but has she taken the cylon side now? I saw her on new caprica, but later she appears to be working with the other models on the Basestar. Also what happened to Roslins cancer?

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

Roslin's cancer was cured last season by a blood transfusion from Helo and Sharon's baby.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

The baby will be imune to the virus too and since the Cylons have the baby it would only stand to reason that they will figure this out thus making bio-weapons worthless.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

The bioweapon/virus was a good idea, but it couldn't hang over the heads of the show for episode after episode.

Good idea, let's move on.

And I agree that the baby could probably generate a cure.

Re: 3x05 - Torn
 

I had an interesting thought about the other five cylon models the other day...

Currently, we know of seven cylon "human" models, who seem to be the only ones that took part in the occupation of New Caprica, and all the Cylon hostilities up to this point: D'Anna, Doral, Six, Sharon, Leoben, Simon, and Cavil. We also know that these seven models made major decisions by making a vote. And, we know that at least Six is skittish when asked about the other five models; "We don't talk about them."

Now, let's assume that the basestar hybrids, the raiders, and the centurions are NOT included in the twelve models. So, there would be twelve Cylon models in the "human" form we have already seen, seven of which are currently active. So, what if there was some kind of Cylon civil war? It could explain a lot of things.

Why are the other models not present, and why do the present models not like talking about them? Perhaps because the seven we know got a little practice in genocide on the other five before turning to the humans. Or, less extreme, maybe there was just a split in the vote that could not be resolved, and the pacifist five refused to help with the war.

Why is it that the Cylons had such an overwhelming military power and were able to take out nearly all the Colonists in one strike? The computer virus Six slipped into Baltar's code accounts for part of it, but even still, the Cylons seemed to come out in overwhelming force, and may not have needed the virus. A civil war between the Cylons could explain the military strength, and it would have gone undetected since humans never ventured into Cylon space (as far as we know, beyond this week's revelation of a very short-lived scouting expedition).

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

I have a question that I haven't seen answered yet. Who created the human cylons?

I mean its obvious that humans created the crome versions, but who created the human versions? The chrome domes aren't especially blessed with outstanding cpu's so this begs the question, who created the human versions of the cylons?

I think the answer to that question will be a very interesting story arc. My money is a human created the human cylons and is behind this whole GOD thing that they believe in.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

It's possible some variety of chromedome created the human cylons. From what I remember, humanity created the shiney ones, the shineys achieved sentience and fought a nasty little war with humanity, at the conclusion of which the sentient robots left human space. At some point after that, the chromdomes could have created the human variety, but I think it's a bit odd that the fleshy ones would have then taken a leadership role, while subsequent shineys were demoted to the non-sentient variety we all know and love today.

Of course, this all seems like an awful lot to have happened in the 20 years that the cylons were behaving themselves, so it's likely development on the human cylons began sometime during the war.

Or something...

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Cylon evolution?

Maybe the first generation built a better cylon, which built a better cylon, which built their god. And god built the skin jobs.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

So why are the metal jobs still mindless drones? No there’s more to the story than simple robotic evolution here. We don't really know what the real story is behind the cylon revolution. Were they all the old chrome domes that achieved sentience? If so then why didn't they pass that down to their later metal robotic versions? I really cannot see a cylon, even the old ones, working as a housekeeper. Where did they get arms? Who was the first alive cylon or the first to become sentient? Was it a chrome dome working in some home as a maid or was it a military version used to fight against humans in the colonies?

What is the story behind sentient cylon case 1?
Was that cylon a metal version or a more humanoid resembling model?
How did the sentience spread to other cylons?
What were the cylons being used for that caused to become hostile upon achieving sentience?
Who led the cylons into rebellion and beyond?
What cylon later developed war machines and human versions?
Where are all of the old versions? Were they scrapped or mothballed?
Who is the cylon God?
Is this cylon God really a human? Could this God of theirs be behind the entire cylon evolution from plain old inanimate object to sentient mass murdering homicidal robot?

These questions are all valid and beg to be answered. The mystery needs to be unveiled. The story must be told.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Athena said the Centurions are limited in their programming, so they don't rise up against the human models.

It raises the question of since the metals must have made the human forms, how did the human forms come to rule over the metals.

Of course there might be a main cylon somewhere, not human form, that runs things. An "Imperious leader" of sorts. I can see them avoiding such a name but perhaps, as an homage to the original, a human form might sarcastically refer to it as "Our Imperious leader"

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Wouldn't it just be wicked evil if that Imperious Leader was a very old Baltar? He wanted to find a way to transfer his soul into machine so that he could live forever and in doing so created the first sentient cylons and later the human versions?

That would explain a lot about Baltar and Six.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

My crackpot birth of the cylon theories:

A: When the colonials say "cylon" I kinda think they mean it the same way when we say "robot". Any man made AI automoton would have been called a cylon, weather it was a armed securty centurion or an auto dishwasher bot.

B: In efforts to improve the capabilities of "cylons" they keep improving their AIs, not realizing that if they make then sentient they may seek independance. Furthermore it sounds like, from what I can recall of the miniseries prmier, they also had a large network not entirely unlike the internet linking all technology together. The colonials probably built a "sky-net" cylon, it got PO'd and h4x0r3D the cylons with it's own sentience program, war and chaos ensues ending ith the cylons retreating from the planets. Whatever sentience sent them haywire in the first place is possibly their "god" or invented their god for their AI to believe in, and seeing ahead decided to produce the retard chrome domes we have now to lessen the chance of rebellion.

C: We saw one of the original Cylon Centurion models in a museum exibit on the galactica, so we know that they've been upgrading themselves. Perhaps the 5 original models were horrific failures or maybe they did rebel and this is why we have shortbus toasters now and zealot skin jobs. I recall from the OBSG that the lucifer and other "clear plastic pinheaded stuffed with christmas lights with blinking wax lips" were kinda baskstabbing and one upping in nature, maybe they will use it.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

"Hunny why is the dish washer bot holding my gu----"

I know what they became alive! Some sick *** demented women wanted to be free of her over loving rich husbands oppressive care so she hot wired her chrome toaster and programed it to kill. In doing so she accidently gave it living intelligence thus making it sentient.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

In DS9 they were called VORTA. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Except of course the Vorta would die before turning on the founders. I always wondered why the Jem'Hadar had to be addicted to white when if you created them properly they should have a aneurysm if they ever opposed the founders. Then again I guess they had to fit the story. I have always thought having AIs become self aware and turn on you wouldn't really happen since if you REALLY made them properly they would be programmed not to. The whole uprising thing is a way of criticising humans as making errors when properly programming machines would avoid it.

I am wondering, anyone seen "Second Renaisance". What if the first cylon to rebel was like B1-66ER?

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

thats what I was thinking of too, but I figured Sky-Net to be more well known (btw second renaisance was pretty badass)

Season 3 BSG
 

Is it just me, or has the latter part of this season of BSG turned into a massive flop? It seems that all that happens, every episode, is essentially a lot of inconsequential jibber-jabber, or one character or another having their bout of illogical emotional angst. It's like a bunch of 13 year old emo kids have started writing all the episodes! The Cylons are barely even present at all anymore...which seems rather odd considering BSG is a story of their flight from and fight with the Cylons.

I used to look forward to each episode of BSG...but it's lost what made it so great in the previous seasons http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

i didnt even care they killed off starbuck.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

I've noticed it's gone downhill lately, doesn't quite have the ooomph that it used to. But Starbuck dying made me a sad panda.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

The last five or six episodes have left me with a "WTH" feeling of disappointment.

When they killed off Kira, I was like; FINALLY! Her character has been steadily going down hill since the end of the last season. As an actress she is quite good, but the character Starbuck was just written to fall flat on her face and when they finally wrote her off, I was happy to see her go. Kinda like seeing your favorite old dog being put down after years of living in agony.

The show has really gotten depressing. It still has potential but like Ren said, these last few episodes have been a real struggle to watch as they all have been "finding yourself" character peaces.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

If you're going to find something, why don't you go find some Cylons to blow up? Huh? How about that!

Seriously though, the whole Balthar trial thing could be good if done well, but it'd get a bit tedious if that's all it was. We need some Cylon action to break things up a little. Even if we don't have battles (although that's preferable http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ), some inkling as to what the Cylons are up to would be nice.

Edit: I just wonder why they made such a big deal about Starbuck's 'special destiny' right before they killed her. Now we'll never know WTF was up with that painting!

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

I am revising my expectations of programs these days. It was once that I would describe some programs as something I would never miss. Then there was Lost. I realise now that I might be a fan of something and couldn't imagine skipping it but in the future I may still lose interest.

I have a friend who gives me copies of BSG. I would watch them all then make a copy and give him the disc so he could give it to someone else. At the end of last year he gave me a disc and I started watching but I skipped 3 of the episodes without watching because when I found out what was happening I couldn't care less. What idiot came up with an entire episode devoted to the stupidest sport ever created, boxing (not that I call 2 people with every muscle except their brain bulked up beating each other slowly to death a sport). I still haven't finished watching the last one. I have to admit that I may just be losing interest. Where's the action?. I used to excuse the whiny self discovery as I got to watch action, but if they don't have any action what is there to watch. I'm just not the sort of person interested in peoples emotional problems let alone made up ones on tv.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

The episode wasn't about " boxing " it could have been about any sport , it was about the need to blow off " steam " , get their equilibrium back , let their hair down and in the Admiral's case , remind everyone he's human and he screwed up and wasn't above anybody else for it

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

I highly doubt that we have seen the last of Starbuck. With all of the talk about her destiny as you mentioned, I suspect we will be seeing her again.

As for the way the show has gone lately...I have mixed feelings about it. I miss all of the action but at the same time it is nice to see some development of character. If it was all fighting all of the time there wouldn't be time to explore the battles that each individual is facing from being on the run for so long.

They just need to mix it up a bit more. Have one of these types of episodes every 3 or 4 weeks instead of 3 or 4 in a row.

And for those that aren't getting their fix from BSG...that's why we have Heroes and LOST. LOST is kind of dragging right now too, but Heroes...each episode is like...wow!

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

The series definately took a dip in quality around the mid season point with all the emo bull****, with otherwise interesting episodes (i.e. Taking a Break from All Your Worries, with the Baltar mind-[censored] sessions) marred with Starbuck and Lee's angst-fest, but this most recent episode was back up at season 2/early season 3 levels.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Yep, I agree. They foreshadowed it quite a bit when she was looking down and reaching for the ejection handle just before the ship blew up. It really wouldnt surprise me for her to pop back up somewhere in the future.

As far as the show in general, yeah, its definately missed a beat from where it used to be. My only hope is that the writers are following a little bit of JMS's B5 script and running a handful of relatively calm, non-arc episodes in order to really WHAM the audience when things start moving again. Its possible that Starbuck dying was supposed to be the WHAM though, in which case I dont think it really had the desired effect yet...

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Actually, I would say the series dipped right after Resurrection Ship 1 & 2 but I don't blame RDM directly, but more to the point, I blame scifi for actually giving RDM longer seasons. He seems to work better when pushed to do more with less.

Personally, I think they shouldn't bring back starbuck -- except for flashbacks and such. A lot of people in other forums speculate she's a cylon, I hope not. I think Baltar's lawyer is a cylon (his back story matches those of the other cylons that gave BS stories).

Now David Eick said that episodes 16 & 19 are gonna be big for the upcoming film. So we may yet see kara's destiny.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Sad to say the focus is on Characters and relationships and not much else.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Meh. Epiphans, Scar, Captain's Hand, Downloaded and Lay Down Your Burdans were all great episodes. Only Black Market and Sacrafice were a let down.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

I'm hoping it picks up for the last two episodes of the season. You'd think it would, being the season-finale and all, they have to sink in some hook to make you want to watch again next year. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Are we coming up on season finale time already. Galdarnit, now what's going to entertain me?!

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

I'm not saying that we haven't had great episodes since then, I'm just saying I feel the decline in quality started after that point.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

RDM is most definitely not to blame for the dip in the shows interest. I still like the show and felt that the production quality is still top notch. The stories are a bit out of place and weak at the moment as the show tries once again to redefine itself. At least they didn't go with the Adama Starbuck love affair.

Re: OT: Season 3 BSG
 

Sci-Fi has picked up 13 addition episodes for next year. Hopefully they can pull out of this nose dive and bring people back to the show. They have a wealth of story arcs they can pull from, even ideas from the original series, but will they. Will they find Terra and the Alliance? Will they run into the Beings of Light, what about Apollo shoot out with the Cylon? Hell they could even come across an old ancient space station and fix up the Galatica a bit. She is looking a bit under the weather herself.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Yeah the radiation from that nebula didn't do the hull any favors. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

13 additional episodes plus a 2 hour TV movie.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

The two hour movie though is dependent upon ratings though. Bad ratings, no movie.

Ok, if you had to write the last episode of BSG how would you end it?

I would end it with Bill Adama waking up with cold sweats and an empty bottle of booze next to his cot. "Damn" he says as he looks at the bottle and tosses. "I will never drink again."

Cut to out side shot of BSG Galactica sitting in space port surrounded by hundreds of Colonial ships. Fade to black.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Oh noes! Not the "It was all a dream!" cop out! I hate that!

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

If that was the ending, I'd kill the entire world.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Have never gotten the whole thing with the new BSG cause to me it just seems like they stitched together a bunch of long-running SciFi stereotypes with some interesting character dynaminc, but then it might be that I still have a grudge against SciFi channel for what they did to my poor Farscape.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Heh I think everyone has a grudge against the SciFi channel for one reason or another. (They killed Stargate SG-1, the bastards!)

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Correction, they didn't let SG-1 when they should have.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

The SciFi channel has made a history of canceling shows that were considered top notch in favor of making low brow, low budge, low quality, screamer flicks. I hate Sci-Fi channel, I hate it I hate it.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Sorry but that statement doesn't make sense to me. Could you rephrase?

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Last episode aired in the UK yesterday. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/frown.gif

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Its like watching an old friend drive off into the unknown knowing that you might never see her again. Its an empty sad feeling. But hey, all good things must come to an end, its the physics of space and time.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

Sorry, forgot a word. They should have let SG-1 go earlier. They kept it on way too long.

Re: Season 3 BSG
 

you do realize that you are in the minority on this opinion, don't you?