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calmon

January 13th, 2007 08:30 PM

Re: Destruction of Bogus

The war between Ermor and Mictlan is on a late stage. After heavy losses on both sites and many battles with different winners our armies are in advance and the lands around the ermorian capital is surrounded by mictlan troops. We still have to plan every move very carefully. Our scouts reported strong heavy enemy troops in every remaining province and there are rumors of sighted wights and more evil undead. Taking out ermor is a hard and bloody task...

The Ermorian assault many month ago was a slap in the face and completly stop our rush in the south against abysia. We'd to move back all our armies.
Our weakness there was utilized by pangaea quite effective. Heavy blessed centaurs flanked by uncountable squadrons of harpies move trough our lands, directly to the abysia capital which was newly sieged by a big r'leyh land expedition army.
After a short hard battle most of the r'leyh army was dead or panicly escaped back in the water, 1 month later the abysian capital was under control of the woodmen from pangaea just as well the former machaka capital.

Morkilus

January 15th, 2007 06:22 PM

Re: Destruction of Bogus

I've had fun with this game despite being defeated before even the imprisoned pretenders have shown up http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

I've got alot to learn about Dominions 3 and the new CB mod apparently... I'm wondering how the heck I'm supposed to expand with normal troops with the extremely crappy indie commanders. It seems if you don't build a second castle pretty quickly, you're done for.

quantum_mechani

January 15th, 2007 07:06 PM

Re: Destruction of Bogus

The indie leader nerf is actually changed in the most recent version.

Sir_Dr_D

January 15th, 2007 09:43 PM

Re: Destruction of Bogus

One of the things I liked best about the mod was the Indie commander nerf. It makes your commanders now as valuable as mages, and makes it a challenage to move your troops around (somehting you have to plan out ahead of time.) Otherwise everyone will just use there castles to build mages, and use Indie commanders, which is boring. It is much more fun to lead troops with national commanders. Indie commanders would then be used for things like, castle building, scouting, suicide runs, fever fetish, and you can attach knights to a mounted commander if you want to delay hold and attack for more then two rounds. You can also put a whip of command on then and have them patrol. This nerf also vastly increases the use of items such as whip of command. The nerf increases the variety and amount of strategies that are usable. I was disappointed that nerf was removed.

Ironhawk

January 15th, 2007 11:10 PM

Commanders

Its a tough call. On the one hand, I understand the premise of the nerf - to make national commanders more valuable. But on the other hand there is really *nothing* that is more valuable than a mage. There's just no way to get around that.

Good point about the command items, Darrel - I hadn't thought of that!

Micah

January 16th, 2007 12:26 AM

Re: Commanders

The nation of Shinuyama will not stand for the unwarranted and unprovoked aggression from the nation of Tien Chi. The enemy has attacked our fair and honorable nation without cause. Their attacking force was driven back by the might of our powerful mages, the bravery of the local defense force, and a team of elite warriors that had arrived from the capital to defend the border. Casualties among our brave forces were restricted mainly to the local garrison, which never wants for fresh volunteers, while the attacking force was routed from the field with heavy casualties. The fates are surely on our side in the struggle, and we shall triumph, much as we triumphed against the aggression of the nation of Marignon.

-Shinuyama

quantum_mechani

January 16th, 2007 01:00 AM

Re: Destruction of Bogus

Quote:

Darrel said:
One of the things I liked best about the mod was the Indie commander nerf. It makes your commanders now as valuable as mages, and makes it a challenage to move your troops around (somehting you have to plan out ahead of time.) Otherwise everyone will just use there castles to build mages, and use Indie commanders, which is boring. It is much more fun to lead troops with national commanders. Indie commanders would then be used for things like, castle building, scouting, suicide runs, fever fetish, and you can attach knights to a mounted commander if you want to delay hold and attack for more then two rounds. You can also put a whip of command on then and have them patrol. This nerf also vastly increases the use of items such as whip of command. The nerf increases the variety and amount of strategies that are usable. I was disappointed that nerf was removed.

I liked a lot of aspects of it too, but it was not really removed, just toned down. The way it's set up in the current CB version, national commanders are still a 3-5 times better deal as far as direct gold cost for leadership. So hopefully it's a good balance between providing more options, and removing all the micro management created by powergamers trying to use piles of 10 leadership indies.

Ironhawk

January 17th, 2007 10:54 PM

Pangean Centaurs on the loose

Ughhh!! I feel for anyone neighboring Pangaea. Double-blessed centaurs was bad enough but now with Gift of Health? Ugh!

Morkilus

January 18th, 2007 01:25 PM

Re: Pangean Centaurs on the loose

Nice job, Calmon, sending your winged monkeys on my only good commander of the army RAMPAGING through your newly-conquered territory. I hope he finds a bucket of water.

calmon

January 18th, 2007 04:51 PM

Re: Pangean Centaurs on the loose

Maybe we should hire some monkeys for our armies. They do a much better job than parts of them. We just got a report from our northern front where some of our regular infantry filled with very light armed volunteers are crossed the red river early on the day and returned beaten on the afternoon.

calmon

January 18th, 2007 04:53 PM

Re: Pangean Centaurs on the loose

Anyone know what happens to quantum mechani? He stalled 2 turns in row now and there is no sign that he'll do the current turn.

Ironhawk

January 18th, 2007 05:36 PM

Re: Pangean Centaurs on the loose

Dunno. He did tell me recently that he was short on time these days.

Ironhawk

January 19th, 2007 01:38 AM

Re: Pangean Centaurs on the loose

Oooooooooooo atlantis! Tsk tsk!

Sir_Dr_D

January 19th, 2007 10:45 PM

Quantum Mechani

This is 4 turns in a row now where it Quantum is going to stale. Is it possible for someone to temporaily sub for him?

Ironhawk

January 20th, 2007 02:53 PM

Re: Quantum Mechani

Maybe I will stop in to the IRC channel and see if anyone knows where he is.

Shovah32

January 20th, 2007 03:03 PM

Re: Quantum Mechani

hes on IRC now about to blitz with us

Ironhawk

January 22nd, 2007 12:47 AM

Boots of Youth

The Green Emperor has grown tired of his mages dying in droves due to old age. This is a general pronouncement that the empire of Pythium is looking to trade with any nation for Boots of Youth. Please send me a PM if you are interested and able to do so. I can pay with gems, forged items, or gold if you prefer.

FAJ	January 23rd, 2007 01:02 PM

Bug in the mod

Ok, I feel dumb for not noticing this earlier. I set a guy to start summoning seige golems, and I checked my gems this turn and they were higher than I expected. Apparantly there is a bug in the mod that makes the seige golem spell cost zero gems. I assume it is a bug because a summoning spell for zero gems makes no sense to me.

What should we do about this? Just agree not to use it? I already have a couple of them. I don't know if they are particularly good, but it would seem unfair for me to be able to summon 10-15 of them a turn at zero cost.

Is there a fixed version of the mod or something?

Ironhawk

January 23rd, 2007 02:39 PM

Re: Bug in the mod

I think we should stop using that spell. There is an updated version of the CB mod, but it removes the leadership nerf which would be a pretty radical change from how we are currently playing. My thought is that if you have seige golems now you can keep them but just dont summon any more. If that cripples someones strategy they need to speak up now.

Ironhawk

January 23rd, 2007 02:39 PM

Atlantis

Also, whats up with the atlantis cheating messages??

calmon

January 23rd, 2007 02:45 PM

Re: Atlantis

The mod says:

#selectspell "Siege Golem"
#researchlevel 7
#fatiguecost 1500
#end

If this brings the casting costs down to 0 maybe there are other spells with the same problem.

For example:
#selectspell "Juggernaut Construction"
#fatiguecost 1500
#end

What does the spell show when try to cast it FAJ? 0 or 20 earth gems.

FAJ	January 23rd, 2007 06:31 PM

Re: Atlantis

Shows nothing. Missing the line for gem cost.

Turin

January 23rd, 2007 08:53 PM

Re: Atlantis

hmm it�s fixed in cbc 1.00, but the version linked in the starting post still has fatiguecost 15, which translates into 0 gems. You could make a gentleman�s agreement to forge a 15gem item for each golem summoned and to throw that one away.

By the way any feedback on the changed heroes?

Evilhomer

January 23rd, 2007 09:19 PM

Re: Atlantis

Or better yet, he could alchemise 20 earth gems to astral (becomes 10 astral) and then make those astral into earth gems (5 left). Then he would have lost 15 gems (if that is the cost of the golems) ....

Ironhawk

January 23rd, 2007 10:49 PM

Re: Atlantis

How critical is it to your strategy to have these golems FAJ? Its a slippery slope to ask someone to do an action that cannot be checked by any other player. At least if we say "no one can build any more seige golems" or a similar blanket statement other players can provide a check & balance via thier existing scouting of that players nation.

FAJ	January 24th, 2007 11:27 AM

Re: Atlantis

They aren't even that good, I just won't make them anymore. I thought maybe they generated earth gems because my economy wasnt dented by summoning them. A blanket statement of nobody making them anymore is fine with me. In fact, I already have about 5, so I think its fair for others to make up to 5, no? They are just thugs with extremely low defense and attack skill, with seige(100).

As for being critical to my strategy; if I HAD a stratagy I wouldn't be doing as poorly as I am now http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif.

Sir_Dr_D

January 25th, 2007 02:57 AM

Re: Atlantis

If I decide to create siege golums, I will find a way to throw away the amount of gems they are supposed to cost.

calmon

January 25th, 2007 09:11 PM

Re: Atlantis

T'ien Ch'i and Oceania seems to be inactive. Maybe we could find some sub for them.

Folket

January 26th, 2007 05:23 AM