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I fully agree with Johnarryn in what he is saying. You may ask why I agree? The answer is because I want to role play when playing this game (and others), and that means not involving my real persona. This is a freedom.
Yes, you can get a reputation as a "player" as not being trustworthy. And the most obvious cause of this would be that you do not keep any promises in any games you play. And as people aren't stupid they see a pattern. The solution is of course to not create this pattern. Try different roles in different games. Then people will understand that you are the role playing type and accept that in this game you are trustworthy and in the other you are not.

Cheers!

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Ok, the misleading thing could be it. But next time in this game Johnarryn tells someone he will do something that someone will have a hard time believing him. I personally don't like to mislead or anything because I want to be believed.
I don't think that he breaked a pact but still it's almost the same thing at the end.

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Strictly speaking he said he had no intrest attacking you at that time, he didn't say anything about later turns, not even one turn later.

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Frank,

When I send a PM to someone saying:

"We have no interest in conflict with you at this time, preferring to engage our enemies on our southern border. However, we do wish to claim the independant provinces near your great city... should you wish to come to some agreement concerning the releasing of these provinces to you at a later date, we would be happy to consider this."

I feel it is fairly obvious that this in an in-character message... generally i dont refer to myself in the plural "we", nor do I have a southern border with any enemies, except maybe people from New Jersey. So I feel like I was making it plain that this was in-character.

As they say "let he who has never told a lie cast the first stone" (or something similar). Im guessing that almost everyone who has played this game has sent a diplomatic message where they have misled someone, or not told the whole truth...

I feel like Frank is making a mountain out of a molehill because I sunk his chances of making a come back this game. I totally understand if he is angry... it sucked starting next to Vanheim, and then having Marignon pile on was the straw that broke the camel's back. So i'm sorry about that, but not only did I promise Vanheim help (a promise which I kept, by the way), but I didnt relish a resurgent Ermor immediately on my border.

Anyhow, I apologize to Frank for the surprise attack, it wasnt terribly nice... but we are playing a game after all. Anyhow, feel free not to trust me in the future if that is what will give you satisfaction.

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Just my 2 cents:

My ideal game would be that no one in the game would feel cheated afterwards.
Perhaps in new games it should be explicitely stated to what extent written intentions or explicit pacts are binding, to avoid disappointments for players.

I personally prefer pacts to be binding, as it allows for more efficient planning and a more steady growth, even though role-playing wise it might be very unwise to trust a nation that in principle has no other interest than global domination.

Of course, Marignon's role playing as a 'deceptive' nation may very well leave him short of allies this game, be it short term or long term ;-)

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I usually try to be somewhat true to the theme that my nation has. For me it would be very hard to be at peace with Ermor as marignon.

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Thanks, Evilhomer, for bringing up something I had meant to point out... I never promised not to attack Ermor... in fact, I never even said I wouldn't attack him in the next turn. What I said was that "We have no interest in conflict at this time." Boom. That is all.

To respond to RicoRico, perhaps it would be ok to have a game where explicit pacts were binding. Personally, when I make an explicit pact, I follow it - I have never violated a pact that was specific for a number of turns, etc. I think what is important is that players not assume that a pact exists unless it is explicitly said. I also think diplmacy (and deception) is a part of what makes games like Dominions3, Risk, or even Diplomacy the game fun... its why I like playing MP.

And, if we want to get into the nitty-gritty of roleplaying Marignon, my justification is that in terms of the Dom3 world, Marignon has a very good reason to kill Ermor, regardless of if they have to lie to do it...

Cue in-character:
"Ermor is a nation of evil heritics that must be purified by flame. The Grand Masters will do whatever is necessary to purge the world of Ermor's taint, before it spreads and leads to our downfall."

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As an important aside, that claim is definitely unfair. "In-game" messages take a full turn to get anywhere, and are therefore useless for in-game diplomacy. PMs are the only viable option, unless email addresses have been publicized.

Generally, I think the "Royal We" and the content of one's signature tend to show quite clearly when a message is meant "in character."

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Personally, I would never (ok, in principle, never) play such a game where pacts were binding.

The distinction between the in-game persona and the actual 3d person behind it *must* be kept. Of course, if some nation goes the cheating/lying route, than this will impact on the reputation of its player and it will follow him through to other games - but there is no way around that. It is a whole different business when someone goes from calling the leader of a nation a liar or that he has a small dick or has bad breath to transfering those insults to the actual person role-playing the nation.

From what I have read, johnarryn acted purely in-game and calling him (the person) a liar and a cheater is bringing down the level of the game. Ermor was (somehow) deceived? Tough luck - it comes with the territory.

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Frank,
At no point did I say I was not going to attack Ermor. Stop claiming that is what I said. As Marignon, I said something that misled you, potentially, but I certainly never said that I would not attack Ermor...

We all have complaints about what happens to use in the game. I'm sure Vanheim isnt thrilled you took advantage of him staling for several turns to prosecute a war against him.

I don't really know what you mean by my diplomacy being "suspect", but the other players will be able to make up their own minds, I think.

Anyhow, I would appreciate it if you stopped calling me a liar.

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Well, Marignon didn't make any formal binding agreements with Ermor (and please to stop this becoming personal - although it has gone that way a little we should use the nation names). I see the game (dom3) as having a heavy rp aspect to it - but hey thats me, one game I might be your bosom buddy if I think the RP is justified or the exact opposite i'll tuen on you like a stray dog...depending on the "feel" of that nation, the pretender and what my scales are.

As for Ermor being in a tight spot...sheesh! I subbed into this game in two turns I have a large undead force putting my back to the wall,(not ranting - just telling my side of things) Truely I don't think Ermor is in a bad situation at all if things go their way with Vanheim (that would be me : ( ).

Game on and have fun!

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Frank: I can understand you being upset, but you have absolutely no basis to call a PLAYER a liar. If you feel the need to write insults, suit it up in a sufficient in-character diatrabe, sort of like this:

Aww.. I had so much fun with this game, though I learned very little about actually playing Dominions http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif

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It's been an incident so strange in one of my provinces (caelum). Seems that a large group of feminist activists, motivated but a known nation, atacked my province and attempted against the life our deity himself. Not only they dangered the life of that gracious creature but we had our female population reduced.
(the latter is even a more serious offense to many of caelian citizens)
Perhaps such malevolent creatures are asking us to pay them a short visit to civilize them.

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When I first read this, I thought, "Who's playing Sauromatia?" Then I remembered this is MA. Poor Caelians, losing their women to Imprint Souls, I imagine? Or am I still confused?

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They were Maenads, but not sent by the leadership of Pangaea. We are half a world away from Caelum, and have no way of sending such a force there.

We assumed it was a random event, much like the occasional attack by Ermorian cultists, though we are sure most would find Maenads more pleasant to look at, at least, before they are torn to shreds by them. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

I'll have to make a mental note on the effectiveness of Tangle Vines against high defense creatures though.

So-called \"Casual\" PBEM
 

All right, let me fix that for you:

You (FrankTrollman) have absolutely no basis to call johnarryn (the player) a liar outside the context of diplomacy within a game. I'm not sure anyone would agree with you that it's okay to sling mud at a player because you were outwitted and lost a game. Take your beatings and accept it. We have several conventions for "nice play" and your flaming in this thread goes against them.

As for what I understand happened in your diplomacy: This stuff happens all the time. Messages get lost, people make mistakes, and yes, they make attacks of opportunity and use deception to gain the upper hand. If you want to play a game where this doesn't occur, I suggest an Annonymous/No Diplomacy game or playing against the AI.

With this I agree completely. Are you gaining anything with this, or are you being vindictive?

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I'm in the market for 100 supply worth of items (2 wine bags or a cauldron) PM me if you can supply such and we can make a deal.

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11/16 in

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14/16 turns in, waiting for:
Marignon and R'Lyeh

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Frank and Jonharryn argument was one thing
But this is something more. The NEXT turn after asking me for a 10 turn NAP Ewierl (man) attacked me. I won't comment anything else here on the forum. but needless to say this cancels that "NAP". I wish me good luck against him because this makes me feel like the good side.

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Did you accept the NAP proposal then?
I know Ewierl asked me for you emailaddress because, he says, other diplomacy attempts were a bit slow?

11/16 turns in.

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I did, I will send you the details to you, but I expect no actions against him from anyone else (but me). This should be resolved in our current war.

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The feeble nation known as Tien Chi is being crushed under the hooves of Pangaea. The eunuchs and their offensive ways will soon be a thing of the past, and the world shall be enriched as the way of the wild is spread.

Crack open your wine jars, imbibe the glorious liquid, and await the time when you may join the Maenads in their revels.

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Casual part coming
 

Well, congratulations Teraswaerto!
Let's see how the world responds to your expansionism ;-)

By the way, as I mentioned somewhere in the beginning of the thread, there would be a time where I would go on a holiday to do some snow boarding (hence the 'Casual' in the game title). That time will soon come. I will be gone for about a week. So:
- last hosting before my vacation will be next Friday (9 March) afternoon/early evening.
- first hosting after my vacation will be somewhere Sunday 18 March

Hope you won't mind (too) much! After this, it will be months before another vacation so we should be able to continue normally...

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Actually, I'd be happier commenting here on the forum, because here both sides can say their piece.

The timeline went like this: Man asks for 10-turn NAP. Caelum responds with a caveat; "Sure, but only if you let me do X." Man replies, "No, I won't accept a treaty with X." Some time (half a day?) after that, I needed to send in my turn, so Man sent a followup message saying "Never mind, offer is canceled." While we were certainly negotiating that treaty, at no point did the two nations ever agree to the same thing.

Much diplomacy was going on that turn, the whole game was waiting for me to send in my turn, and (most importantly, in my eyes) PMs with Manuk were taking a full day to turn around. I may have been abrupt (for which I out-of-character do apologize), but I did so because those negotiations were slowing down the whole game. But regardless of the reason, the fact is that our good-faith negotiations simply didn't work out.

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Conveniently, I will also be gone next week!

My departure/arrival timing will be a bit fuzzy, so there's a small chance I might not be able to get a turn in between 9-18. In the unlikely-but-not-impossible event that that happen, hopefully a delay until the 19th won't make much more difference http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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if you ask for a treaty and I accept, then the treaty is signed. Now it´s broken as a fact.

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I clarified/edited my post above....

You did not accept the treaty I offered. You said, "Yes, but only if I can do X," where X was not part of my treaty offer and not something I was willing to agree to.

(Edit: I'm keeping X secret, because it contains information about Manuk's long-term plans. Suffice to say that it was not just some peripheral detail, but required an exception to the blanket "non-aggression" nature of my initial offer.)

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15/16 turns in, waiting for R'Lyeh

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Uhh... I coould have sworn that I have sent my turn (19 was the last right?) a few days ago. <checking email box> yup, I sent it. Resending it.

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ah ok sorry.. could only find your turn 18!
anyway: turn hosted

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*The few valiant defenders of Fort Vanheim fight desperately against the sheer size of the undead onslaught, to no avail the undead army spills relentlessly into the streets of Vanheim, to wreak unholy deeds upon the helpless populace, meanwhile the Vanheim army gathers to the south, preparing for an assualt to retake the fortress and liberate the people before it is too late.*




OOC - Well looking at this turn things are really screwed up in Vanheim, Ermor takes my capital, yet Marignon takes Ermor's capital. From what I can see Ermor has 1 dominion....thats a very thin red line thread to live on...

jeez...what to do?.....just trying to survive damnit!

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11/16 turns in

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13/16 turns in, waiting for
Arcoscephale, Tien'Chi, and Man

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15/16 turns in, waiting for Arcoscephale

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sent ...

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turn hosted, currently 11/16 turns in.

would of course be great if we can play another before I go on vacation :-)
I won't be able to host today, well, perhaps somewhere in the middle of the night. Most probably, I can host Friday early in the afternoon (+1 GMT).

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Going to be travelling during the weekend...So will not be able to do my turns then.

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15/16 turns in.. waiting for Tien'Chi

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well guys, I'm off to Austria!

If I still get Tien'Chi's turn within an hour I may be able to host the turn, but don't count on it.

See you around the 18th!

Let\'s get it on
 

Hi all, I'm back! Let's get this game going again! :-)

Turn hosted..
Have to think again what my plan was, but it's getting back to me already.. Don't forget that you all agreed to send me 200 gold this month ;-)

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15/16 turns in, waiting for Agartha

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23 hosted!

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Damn I'm having a tooth and nail struggle with Ermor...

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11/16 in

Blood and wine
 

The bloated grotesque that Tien Chi called god is dead, spear-pierced and hoof-trampled. It's blood mixes with the earth, which sighs in response.

Still a few battles remain against the final cowering remnants of the so called 'Celestial Empire', but even they know the war is over. Their timid nation of bureaucrats and eunuchs never stood a chance.

Close behind follows a joyous menagerie of dryads, satyrs and Maenads. They will teach the populace how to revel in worship of the true goddess and the earth that birthed her; how to live and how to die.