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Nation strength can change. Drastically. I've just boosted beyond the range of the guy that I first attacked. I don't know what is going to happen to the war now. It has several days to go before it expires. PES probably had the same thing happen, or he beat his opponent up so thoroughly that he dropped out of strength range for war.

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This is correct with one qualification. High population density affects your environment adversely, which reduces your population. Buy infrastructure first, but try not to let your infrastructure exceed twice your total land ('area of influence') or you aren't getting as much population as you could for your infrastructure.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Wow, he's a nasty little dufus. I thought I had grown beyond his attack range, but logging in I see he's attacked me again. But then someone else attacked me first. Apparently he's got 'friends' even if he's not in a formal alliance.

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Ok, I've 'offered peace' to both Bondostan and his ally (?) Ritter. We'll see how they respond. This is annoying. I could be over 300 in nation strength by now.

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Let's say you I are both strength 50 and I attack you. Now tomorrow I buy up to boost my strength to 500 and you are still at 50. I can continue to attack you as long as the war has not expired.

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It was a pretty even match, but the constant attrition was adding up.

To: Celebrimbor From: gamergeek007 2/25/2007 5:55:58 PM Subject: Battle Report

You have been attacked by gamergeek007. You lost 54 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 32 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.560 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 2.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $100.60 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory.

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To: Celebrimbor From: gamergeek007 2/25/2007 5:56:50 PM Subject: Battle Report

You have been attacked by gamergeek007. You lost 90 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 23 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.537 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 1.920 infrastructure. Their forces looted $27.84 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat.

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To: Celebrimbor From: Ritter 2/26/2007 2:42:16 AM Subject: Battle Report

You have been attacked by Ritter. You lost 118 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 111 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $17.05 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory.

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To: Celebrimbor From: Ritter 2/26/2007 2:43:14 AM Subject: Battle Report

You have been attacked by Ritter. You lost 53 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 15 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.556 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 2.203 infrastructure. Their forces looted $21.75 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat.

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To: Celebrimbor From: gamergeek007 2/26/2007 11:10:30 AM Subject: Battle Report

You have been attacked by gamergeek007. You lost 44 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 56 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $163.87 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory.

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To: Celebrimbor From: gamergeek007 2/26/2007 11:11:23 AM Subject: Battle Report

You have been attacked by gamergeek007. You lost 24 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 18 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $34.29 from you and you gained $0.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Defeat.

Well, at least they have both accepted the peace offers.

Total costs of retaliation:

*383* soldiers = $2144 at Defon 1 prices.
(More at Defcon 4 prices, of course)

*1.653* miles of land = $565 at my current price for land

*6.123* infrastructure = $4389 at current price (ouch, that one hurts!)

And that doesn't take into account the lost tax revenue from the damage.

So how did Wilhelmia find such nice juicy victims?

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Looks like you guys made peace Baron..

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A gift from me to you. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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You don't have uranium on that list http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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That's not my list so I can't take credit for it. It was just a gift from me. The problem with Uranium is that it's not good till later when your empire is up there. Which is also why it's missing from the list. This list is for starting nations.

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Ahh, gotcha. So this chart basically shows the best "starting" resources, and shows how they combine to form the extra, bonus resources. Hmmm, I think I can clean that up a little bit, make it a little prettier... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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Remember to add in the uranium. Do you need a link to the official Wiki page for the resources et el?

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Hmmm, it's proven to be slightly more complicated than I thought. I'll put something up tomorrow, after I get some sleep http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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Well, making a similar graph while adding in uranium is an interesting problem. If you're looking to make it "pretty", that could be very difficult. We're pretty much talking about arranging twenty one nodes containing ten cycles such that there is minimal intersection between the cycles. I can't think of a proof off the top of my head, but that sounds NP-Hard. And doing exponential complexity number crunching on a 21-node graph ain't a cakewalk http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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I have 26 soldiers I can offer as aid.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

What's the procedure to get gifted technology?

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Fiducia is trying to send a peacekeeping force to assist Narquilocles, but I'm having trouble sending aid. My Nation says Fiducia has deployed troops, but the Aid page says we have 0 soldiers available. What am I doing wrong?

Searching the FAQ seems to say that you have to have a nation strength of 1000+ to send aid. Is that true?

Also, can anyone tell me why I sometimes am asked to log in again when I click a link? I've had to log in as many as three times in a single session.

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I have sent 150 soldiers as aid to Narquilocles.

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Deploying troops allows you to use them in combat against another nation, it does not send them to another person. You need to go to the nation screen for the nation you want to gift to. Once there you can click on aid and it will allow you to enter values for funds, troops, tech, infra, and I think that's it(?).

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

It seems my earlier statement about only being able to send deployed troops as aid is incorrect. Which doesn't make much sense to me, but oh well.

I know the limitations on sending tech are 1/3rd of your levels over 5. Looking at the aid I can currently send, troops you can send seems to be just a little over the number of troops you have above 20% of your citizens (e.g. if you have 100 citizens, and 30 troops, you can send about 10). Cash I am assuming you can only send when you don't have the "low on funds, did you collect taxes?" warning.

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Just to let you know, the way I find my victims is looking for people with far more strength than their infrastructure would suggest, and I also look through the aid that's being given around. For example, I saw one guy offering a friend 3,000,000 in aid, was still pending though. So I invaded, and walked off with $300,000. However, I AM worried about some serious retribution. But we'll see.

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That's what happened with me and Booop. When we went to his alliance and showed them we where x8 their strength they quickly agreed to let him hang on his own. Speaking of which I quit them today. They are so arrogant it's not even funny. They seriously should not be admitting new members and I told them as much; but certainly not as nicely, when I walked off.

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Forlorn_Hope how did you build up so fast?

I have 200 troops, about 12.0 in infrastructure. Am I a prime target for rape warfare?

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@At: Not really unless you start to get in lots of aid packages.

So I wanted to ask here how many of you wold be turned on to the idea of creating a new alliance dedicated to peace and cooperation? There are two catches though. First I have to wait and see if these self-absorbed fools in the alliance I just left plan to destroy me for leaving. If they do I will let this nation delete out and start a new one. Second part of the idea is that this new alliance and the WP work together for the greater good, bod, or ugly; an MDP. I'm just asking to ask at this point. If it sounds like an acceptable idea and I don't get creamed then we can talk about it more.

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

If they destroy you, send some aid this way http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Peace is good, but war is needed sometimes. I also don't mind having some more war focused people in the alliance. It is kinda like a stock portfolio, diversify http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif So I don't know about being totally peace focused. The WP seems to be more like a cooperative alliance, which works for me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Well, I'm not a huge fan of a peace-oriented alliance. I think I've been in 10 different wars over the past 12 days :x (I've won all of them too ;O)

And Atrocities: I built up so fast by Cattle Raiding.

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Ah, just like in King of Dragon Pass!

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Here is another tip; hit that donate button in the upper right corner and drop a little cash. For $20 I got 30 tech, 200 infra, and 400k in funds.

@aegisx: I wouldn't be that cruel to you. They will be checking my aid slots to make sure I don't do just that. Now I was fighting Booop who was part of the GDI right? The GDI is x2 the strength of the WP and the alliance I was in was on the scale of x8 the GDI's power. As for the alliance idea I think you have misunderstood me. I'm not talking about making one alliance out of the WP. At this point I'm not even saying lets make an alliance. I was only trying to take an informal survey of what others think. The new alliance would go to war but only to defend a member nation or to back up the WP. Other than that we could funnel cash to the WP and let you war mongers beat the crap out of others for fun. Maybe along the way you will feel it in your hearts to smash a few heads of potential threats to this new peace alliance. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/cool.gif That's all I'm saying. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/smile.gif That's also why I mentioned a MDP; Mutual Defense Pact. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Also go here and join up. It is like CN but just started so everything is fresh. I am a member of The Paladins so team up with us till you feel like you want to head off.

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Two more things: (1) Assuming I'm not smeared does anyone object to me joining the WP? I asked a few posts back for CW to contact me but haven't heard from him. Which nation is he anyway? (2) Do you guys have a forum or is this the place you hang out? You should really try to make a forum. FH what nation are you?

Ok so that's more like 4 things but hay; I can't count. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif

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I don't think anyone would mine and your looking at the forum http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Could you offer some advise on cattle raiding? How to determine good targets, what troop strength you need to attack, best strategies, and so on?

Re: OT: Cyber Nation
 

Start by looking for guys with low strength but aid packets. Sort by last activity date, salt, pepper, and cook for 30 minutes at 400 degrees.

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But they can't stop me from doing that! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif

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How do you join an alliance? I want to get my colony of New Sanctuary, founded by Edward Wrathchild, into an alliance.

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Check your PM's over there and you will see my message with a walk through.

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Cool. I'll check it now. Or maybe I should get some work done. Nah, who am I kidding?

So in addition to Cybernations and Lunar War, I just submitted my first ever PBW turn. The world will never again be the same.

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Eh, I dunno if I'm gonna do the cyber colony thing. I like doing it with Cyber Nations, but space was never my thing. I play as Wilhelmia on Cyber Nations, and I mainly look for people sending or receiving foreign aid who aren't in alliances. Then I just hit them with enough to win http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Anyone else see the irony of this on a Space Empires forum? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Some recent recipients of foreign aid who don't belong to alliances:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
Name: Nation Strength: Aid:
Troezen 32.841 $20,000 (pending!)
german red cross 89.963 $32,593 (today!)
Furland 12.222 $30,000 (pending!)
*** a good newbie victim. :)
Clash n Slash 69.075 $100,000 (PENDING!!!)
*** Watch this guy, you wannabe cattle raiders! :)
Nadsat 454.729 $170,000 (today!)
LTs Floating Kingdom 1,240.773 $50,000 (today)
$49,328 (2 days ago)
*** A possible Wilhelmia victim? :)
</pre><hr />

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I'm glad soemone pointed that out.

Hay we need more members before this thing gets to large and the CN monopolies take over here too. The Paladines (notice he spelled it es) is the group you want to join. He doesn't have the leadership experience so it would be simple to grab control. I don't want to it's just not my style; however, I am the largest colony in this small alliance and will back any coupe launched by my fellow SE brothers.

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Money money money! Finally found a rich target http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

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Hrmmm, the person I nabbed about $300,000 from apparently decided to get active about it xD In fact, now he seriously outguns me. I offered him peace (he insisted I pay him back his money, at which I rofled, as it was all spent), and we'll see how it goes. But I still figure on thoroughly crushing him. Will just be a little harder than I thought.

As a side note, I did decide to make one of those Lunar nations things... but... I'm not so enthusiastic about it as this xD

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Need any troops? Nevermind, you guys are out of my league http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

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Well, I've been following this for the last week or so and have been reading a bit on CN's website, so I'm going to give a try even though I usually have problems with things like this that require hands on attention everyday.

Ruler: Count Rupert
Nation: DuchyofGrandFenwick

Resources: Coal, Rubber (if anyone is interested)

I assume it'll be okay to join the WP?

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You assume correctly http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...ies/tongue.gif Just as an update for everyone: I'm currently in a very heavy-duty war. The person I pulled a cattle raid on earlier has decided he will attempt to crush me. As things stand at this moment, he launched two air strikes and two cruise missle attacks on Wilhelmia, taking out almost 30 infrastructure, and two tanks. The nation of Wilhelmia has responded with two airstrikes of it's own, removing a total of 8 tanks, however, as Wilhelmia lacks ICBMs, no missle strike was launched. An invasion is planned for 0100 EST, taking on 114 tanks, and 1852 infantry. He still has 10 aircraft backing him up, however, and those aircraft raids do sting quite a bit. Regardless, Wilhelmia aims to crush this nuissance.

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Jesus! Forlorn I was about to help you with that guy but hes even stronger than me, what did you get yourself into.

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How many troops are you using in your typical attacks?

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Usually about 20 or 30% more than they have total. And CW: He wasn't THIS strong earlier, he spent some of his money and built himself up. But, not to worry, I still think I can take him down myself.

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Use around 80% of their strength. Who is that in the number one power slot of the WP?

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Yeah, he's 1,741 and Wilhelmia is only 1,372. We may need to send aid to Wilhelmia soon. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif

Maybe you feel brave enough to tackle 'Mighty Sweden' which was just given 1,200,000 in aid today? This nation is close to your strength, but Wilhelmia is otherwise occupied today.... http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif so it seems you would be the only remaining candidate in the right strength range to raid this one. If you aren't scared away by the possible consequences. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif