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Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
Actually it should go --
"Why can't you be like >.<?" ">.< can harness the power of the stars!" ">.< can summon Tartarians." "Turn on the air conditioning!" http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif |
Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
Nothing is more painful than fighting a friend. Especially when you had a picnic with him yesterday. Unfortunately he is still hungry and now want more food from...the body of his old friend.
Niefel doesn't like TC, because Niefel is always thinking of conquering others, while TC sit and develop their own country. At least, TC never choose an enemy with comparable power as itself. |
Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
The wrath of TC has been unleashed.... The peaceful frosty giants of Niefel were suddenly struck from a million directions - sneaky wolves, astral mages, Tartarian gods, Elemental queens....
Meanwhile TC's enchantments and research mean its power increases with every passing turn. Niefel will only be able to hold for a while against this sorcerous onslaught. Sleepy nations of Capuchin - rise now and join the fight against tyranny or we shall all crumble one by one.... |
Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
Someone terminated the NAP with us, throwed 7 destructive spells on my land in 3 turns. They call themselves "peaceful" frosty giants http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif
Someone has 40+ provinces, 800+ giants force. He has not lost even a single giant yet. But he said he will only be able to hold for a while http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Someone crumbled Abysia, Ermor, Fomoria one by one. He said he is fighting against tyranny http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Someone obviously has comparable power to TC. But he wants to make use of other nations. People call this icy fox - Niefelheim http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif |
The Seas will Rise
The conflict with our allied Neifel frost giant neighbours means the Triton Lords are rallying for war - Tien Chi, you have three months warning until the seas turn hostile and icy offshore winds bite.
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Your alliance is quite powerful. Abysia, Ermor, Fomoria were easily crumbled. TC is the fourth prey?
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Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
Ha ha TC. Unfortunately for you, the score charts are on. We are a bunch of Taliban like kingdoms vs. your super powerful American military-like sorcery.
And just so Capuchin history is clear I need to clarify some of your facts: http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif : Fomoria: never faced them once Abysia: come on, Niefel is obligated to attack these climate destroying fireballs Ermor: I don't know what happened to them. By the time Niefel faced them it seemed someone else had already got to them. we never saw a single undead and we were rescuing our little elf friends anyway... As for the earlier post, we frosties are peaceful. We ended the NAP but what the wily TC forgot to mention was we did not attack...not even TC's empty provinces near our border. We were brutally assaulted. Niefelheim giants violated in the street. It was ugly folks...(think Mighty Joe Young in the snow) On the 800+ giants, 40+ provinces..I don't think there is enough food to supply such outlandish figures. Plus provinces are clearly depicted on the score graphs. Whatever Niefel has, TC has 2x... Not lost a single giant?! Come on Everz, we both saw you brutally strike down that one Jarl I forgot to take off of Patrol mode. Cut down in a hail of arrows and communion empowered phoenix pyres. I wonder how many resources were consumed just to wipe that hapless dude off the map? And your global enchantments, Tartarians, Elemental Queens of Air, etc. speak for themselves. So now that we have cleared that up, Nystul, the reluctant god of Niefelheim, can get back to watching basketball while the sun sets on the declining Niefel empire.... |
Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
You didn't attack? Then I should suffer your magical attacks quietly? Your own words is "it is open season on Turn 50". But you throwed a bunch of "murdering winter" on my land since turn 47. Personally I consider this kind of actions as nasty as breaking a NAP.
You got 200+120+110+170=600 units in 4 provinces adjacent to TC. I expect another 200 units around your capital and other forts. Your province number is between 40 and 45. What I said is exactly true, isn't it? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Never faced Fomoria? How did you get (173)? (and even further in northwest?) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/confused.gif You lost a commander last turn? Then you draw the conclusion that you will only be able to hold for a while by just losing one unit? Whatever Niefel has, TC has 2x? Unfortunately for you, the score charts are on. The only advantage TC has is our research level. Everyone knows one giant can beat 3 infantry. Amry size speaks nothing. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Be honest, "peaceful" frosty giants. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Nystul wants to kick out his opponent TC, while saving his own power, for later battle. |
Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
Army size does speak nothing. Magic is where it's at.
Also, Formoria and Ermor went AI quite a while ago. Ermor just kinda disappeared and Formoria descended into anarchy after we zapped the [censored] out of their sieges. The agarthans have most of their provinces. |
Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
There's only one way to settle this, the field of battle! ...and the throwing of hard shells from the oceans!
We have tried to play this 'basketball' you speak of, but bouyancy + oceanic currents play havoc with air-inflated fish innards. |
Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
Hey, just cause the temperature dropped don't blame Niefel - it could have been Caelum (so much for anonymous spells) http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/laugh.gif
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Hahaha! Just reviewed last turn. I will be saving that one as a lesson of the power of magic. Utter humorous slaughter. Evers, I have never even seen such powerful indie mages - Adepts of the Golden Order (4S4F) and literally hordes of them Mistformed legions of TC heavy infantry, flaming arrows, earth attack, blights, hahahaha...Turn 52 will go down as a day of infamy among the Niefel giants.
I give us about 5 more turns before we are squished like grape. |
Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
Well, the score chart tells me, Niefel main forces haven't showed their faces yet...
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By the sound of that - I'm not surprised, LOL!
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Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
Hey Firewalker, can I get extra 6 hours for this turn? Tomorrow evening I will be in a meeting, to about 9:30pm. Don't know when I can get back home.
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Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
Are those wolf skins your giants are wearing, Neifel? Lucky - as the tritons have observed it is getting rather chilly around the ocean shores. Quite pleasant, really...
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Re: The Annoyance of Nystul
What does everyone think of taking a break until next Tuesday (3/25) for those who will be busy for the holiday weekend (like myself)?
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Works well for me too.
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No problem.
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NP here
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Update from the Front
So sad to see a Niefelheim giant get leprosy. What a waste!
But despite the sorcerous onslaught of TC that continues to dramatically reduce Niefelheim's magic academy, we are happy to report getting off one icy spell that decimated a small part of TC's army. The western front appears to be lost - only one regiment, The Blizzard Corps, managed to escape the ruins of Niefelheim's western post. Things look a little better in the East, where Niefelheim won its only victory against TC with the help of an unusually cold winter (if only I had more water gems. Note to self: site search early on) and has managed to cross the straits to the North. (Caveat: have yet to look at latest turn. Good chance some new sorcerous concoction has obliterated us) |
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The occupational health risks of falling giant icy teardrops are unnacceptible, so the Triton Lords march (float?) on TC. Winter comes in greater numbers.
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I am going AI. Useless to fight. Frankly a little disappointed in some of these endgame strategies (exploits?) E.g. TC attacks with his Pretender who has cast Ritual of Returning upon himself and holds Unquenched (creates Heat from Hell).
TC Pretender's first action is to cast Mists of Deception, then I am assuming the Heat from Hell damages his pretender so the Ritual of returning kicks him home. There is a message that says TC is routed. But Niefelheim's entire army runs around fighting the illusionary warriors for what seems like forever amidst the Heat from Hell. Even though TC's pretender vanishes, it seems these spells remain in effect. The battle goes so long I cannot even bear to finish watching it and Niefel giants start dropping from fatigue and eventually get the message Niefelheim is routed. Huge Niefel army is slaughtered. What kind of battle is that? What is the point of carrying on? I am going to post this on the main thread and see if there are counters to this or if this is one of those unstoppable slaughter moves. The more I learn of these the more I become somewhat disenchanted with how these games end. If there are no counters then it seems it just is a race to research artifacts / summon tartarians. btw - seems like a pretty advanced move for a noob game. Nice job >.< if you came up with it on your own. Bye Capuchin, bye cruel world. I will be sure to distribute gems and magic items to those who wish to fight on. |
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DonCorazon - yes, it's a known exploit. Some people just do anything to win, even if it means spoiling the game for others. I recommend not playing that person in future again.
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That's an exploit which shouldn't be used. Dammit, I wish I'd said that somewhere explicitly.
I guess it's quite likely that T'ien Ch'i either thought of it himself (I'm impressed!) or read the suggestion on the forum without reading the following community digust, in which case he certainly doesn't deserve any harsh words from us. But in any case, it's definitely not a fair move. I'm actually open to rolling back the turn and asking just T'ien Ch'i to retake his turn but do something else with his pretender. DonCorazon, would you have the stomach to continue the game if I did that? It is indeed a silly way for the game to be finished for you. Finally, although the end game seems different to the early and mid games and can initially be frustrating, I can reassure you that there is still plenty of strategy and options. It's not as if you have to have artifacts or Tartarians to win, so you shouldn't think that. I almost never bother getting artifacts in fact, and tend to get Tartarians as an afterthought (not that I'm one of the best players, but I've won a few games). It is a bit different though, and requires some thought. Anyway, whoever wins the early and mid games tends to win the late game (assuming they're not ganged up on), because they tend to have more gold, gems and research. |
Re: Update from the Front
thanks for the gracious offer, llama. At this point I am feeling somewhat soured / grumpy in Capuchin and ready to move on. I guess seeing my Niefels get slaughtered traumatized me http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif and a roll back means what few tricks I had up my sleeve were revealed to my enemy.
But as one of the "powerful" nations (at least a couple turns ago), I will continue on with the rollback if at least a few other players have a strong desire to keep playing. I personally hate players to go AI early. But frankly, I have little desire to keep playing and trying to take thoughtful turns in this particular game. I'd prefer to take the many lessons learned here and start a new game, I guess with more rules outlined up front. Again, I will wait to hear what others have to say. btw, I think TC would win regardless, it is a shame he felt these types of moves were necessary. If you read the thread above, you can see I certainly don't mind getting slaughtered by "fair" means, or at least I can take it with a smile. But just getting slaughtered with no chance to fight back ? I don't even see how that provides any sense of joy to the victor. |
Re: Update from the Front
He did not know? Whom are you kidding?
This exploit was explicitly described in DangerPudding, when Fomoria, maybe accidentally, used the sword of storms and the armour of virtue on the same guy. I know, because my uncle asked my advice on that. And I gave him examples, which he posted in the thread. At that time, the Tien Chi player was a participant in the game, and posted after the discussion. The discussion ended with three people posting that it is on the short bug list, and should not be used. So arguing that this is not an exploit is OK (albeit wrong) but saying that Tien Chi did not know is ... naive? |
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>.< is busy with exams...but I have to make some answer.
especially to some guy use his own gray heart to render mine: This is my first MP game. Unquenched + Mists of Deception is a strategy I carried from my SP experience. Why you called it exploits? If your soldiers are quick enough to kill all phantom warriors in one turn, you will win the battle. It's a good strategy to eliminate army that has no flying troops. Anything wrong? To the guy above: who is your uncle? I never played any game with you. I was defeated by TC, Niefel in [DangerPudding] and didn't participate in that game for a long time. --------- Just viewed the discussion of DangerPudding. Haven't read that part of discussion before. My last post there is just to say bye-bye. That guy named Tuidjy seems to be a bug-master. Even his uncle asked him for advice. You should at least check with Fomoria before framing the case against me. Some people do anything to win. But I play game for fun. Now I can not gain any more interests here. I'm going AI. Gold/gems will be distributed to other nations. My only ally will get more. Good luck for all guys remaining in the game. Sorry for any trouble after TC go AI. You defeat me, Niefelheim. By only a post, you defeat me in all games. Although there are many hot hearted person here, it's not a civilized forum. Before today I enjoyed the feeling of playing with people, but now I realize that some person are more horrible than AI. I'm leaving and won't touch dom3 any more. Back to prepare my own exams. Goodbye, everyone. |
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Nick was Niefelheim. The quotes are from posts that came a few posts before
your last post. Am I to believe that you do not read threads that you are posting to? "Two scenarios: 1. Two units on field. One has "Staff of Storms", casts "Wrathful Skies", and retreats. Other stays and fight. 2. Two units on field. One casts "Mist of Deception" and retreats. Other has "Staff of Storms", casts "Wrathful Skies", and retreats. Do we allow either? My preference is: "No" on 1, "No" on 2." [a number of posts that all agree it is an exploit ending with] well if it is on the bug list, ofcourse it shouldn't be used. No reason to make it such a big deal... [three posts] A post by you. |
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So far i have been lucky not to be on the receiving end of such exploits (and yes, i consider this one to be an exploit and not a valid strategy). A rollback and a promise by all participants not to use such exploits would be necessary to continue this game, in my opinion.
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Everz,
I would be sad if you really meant that you would never play Dom3 again b/c of this. I enjoyed our clash up until that last maneuver. I wasn't sure if it was an exploit or a strategy that had some counter, which was why I posted - not to attack your honor. It was clearly frustrating to lose an army like that, especially since I didn’t even know what was happening or how to counter it. We should have clarified what was allowable and what is not. We are both MP noobs so there was a communication breakdown but not a big deal. If you were enjoying Dom3 MP then please keep playing it. I’d hate to see you give up something that was fun for you just b/c of this. Btw Your game was skillful and from what I can tell you certainly deserve the win, unless someone else has something up their sleeve. |
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Huh. So, who all is dropping so far?
Just to try and keep track. If Niefelheim and T'ien-chi both go AI without subs, I'd say we might as well break and start a new game. |
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To DonCorazon: A lot of fun fighting against Niefelheim. They will become nice frames in my memory. To Firewalker: Sorry for that. I'll try to find a sub. Finally, and honestly thank you for hosting us, llamabeast. You are a gracious host. |
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If it helps any, in the games I host, if you cast a battlefield spell that causes the opponent damage, you cannot retreat the caster for 5 turns. I think that is a fair rule. Velusion hosted games use the same rule.
Also no game hosted on llamaserver allows you to copy the attack mage commands from charmed Bogus friends to other units. Llamabeast posted that under his rules for llamaserver games. |
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If the two remaining major powers (TC & Neifel) are not interested in playing on, then I say we retire the game.
My Tritons hate the thought of leaving the sea to fight Tartarians. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif ...and I didnt have much going for me *on land*, except a few unique items, weak inf. raiders and the alliance with landlubbers. I am happy to concede victory to TC - the research race was absolutely dominated and the sheer number of troops and uber SCs (Tartarians everywhere!!) will pound any challengers. Everz I do believe this is a competitive strategy game and it is our job to find and use strategic advantages. While there is an accusation against you of unsportsmanlike play by use of that strategy, I think if you admitted to making a mistake, then we can all move on from it and learn. Overall, I leant a lot from the game, including: - keep more of an eye on those players getting ahead in the mid-game, to place more pressure earlier... - An AI nation really changes the whole game. Going AI without warning is bad form. Going AI is undesirable at any time, even with warnings. (not having a go at anyone here, just generally) - do not use the battlefield nuke/retreat general strategies (as discussed above) - lightning storms and stealthy elves are hurty. If the game does not continue, I look forward to butting armies again with you all. Except that 'AI' guy - he sux! |
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Let's end it then. Call it a victory for Everz, so he can retire his brief MP career with an amazing undefeated record at 1 - 0.
I hope he comes back - it is a shame to let a heckler drive you away but that is his call. Good game everyone. Thanks again to Llamabeast for organizing and letting us use Llamaserver. I learned: - site search early and often; Niefel needs to find cheap researchers and astral mages to protect from Mind Hunts - think about how to deal with SCs. Everz threw some tough Tartarians and AQs that tore through me - don't make a lame pretender (I had a sage with 3e1s - don't even remember what I was thinking when I designed that crapola. Would have loved a bless) - be good to your friends; I stayed true to all my allies and that probably would have been helpful if the fight had continued on - develop a research plan – I was all over the place - I think the only thing that helped me was Niefel is pretty tough and a good nation for noobs - Always cast a few Wolven Winters prior to a Niefel invasion – pretty funny to watch your enemies freeze I plan to organize a unique type of game soon on Llamaserver. Details to come. Cheers, DC of Niefel |
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Oh dear, what a big debacle.
Well, I am of course happy to continue running the game if either everz or DC change their mind and want to carry on after the heat of the moment has passed. Also I'm content to believe that everz didn't know it was considered an exploit and was just very clever - so props to him for that. Still I will ban it in future games. I'm very sorry you were offended by this ruckus everz. Tuidjy, your comments here were unhelpfully accusatory and offensive. I wish you hadn't posted, you made things feel much worse. Please don't in future. Hope everyone's not too annoyed about this, it's an unfortunate way for a game to end. And of course I hope you all enjoyed the game! |
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Somehow I think that people are overreacting about this. As DonCorazon pointed out himself, he would probably have lost regardless of this. Endgame pretty much consists of finding and using deadlocks which other players are unable to get out of. This specific case might be exploiting a game mechanic, but so are lots of other things. Finding a good combo is the bread and butter of this game. Retreating before the script runs out is frowned upon, but I'd give it the benefit of doubt and assume that the interaction with armor of virtue was not planned. Even if it was, waiting a few more turns would hardly have affected the outcome. I remember some heated discussions and angry mails from some old games of mine, and compared to this it's surprising to see people quitting like this. You dropped a brick, no problem with that. Consider it a coming of age and do it differently in the next game. |
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If Everz and DC want to play on I'll also play on, but otherwise I think the game is really over.
Regardless of the events of last turn, Everz was going to stomp us all. He had 3x the research of the rest of us, all the good unique items made and equipped on his army of tartarians - where the rest of us were at/just out of mid game. I have no hesitation in conceding victory. He played well. I enjoyed the game immensely, but was not looking forward to the being broken as one of two TC enemies next in line after Neifel. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/happy.gif Thanks for hosting Llamabeast! |
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Just to clarify since this story seems to be getting picked up across the boards...
I was getting my *** handed to me by Everz even before the now legendary power move. I was like the Taliban going holy crap what is happening as the bombs fell from planes I couldn't even see... So I would have likely been going AI even without the power move. Then that wiped out my last viable army so there wasn't much reason for me to continue on. Because of my own noobness / stupidity / lack of foresight (whatever you want to call it), I had developed no counters to his advanced research and legions of powerhouse fighters. Certainly nothing to prevent the power move. Lesson learned. I will definitely be focusing on SCs, artifacts, mind hunts, all that good stuff in my future games. I didn't expect all the fall out - didn't mean to cut the game short, but didn't hear anyone strongly wishing to continue. Certainly didn't mean for Everz to retire. I had a blast, I learned a lot, I am ready to try again. Move along folks, nothing here to see. [img]/threads/images/Graemlins/PointRight.gif[/img] |
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Yeah, a little complaint and its "huff and run" -- reminds me of the office I am forced to go to every day. It's a game guys. Please don't make it seem more like "work," if it can be helped. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...s/rolleyes.gif
Well, as everyone else has pointed out, T'ien-chi had this one bagged up. He should have stuck around to enjoy making us all say "uncle!" -- that's what the endgame is all about, right? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif Myself, I was so pathetically behind on research (Early Ulm and took -3 magic scales -- um, yeah, not doing that again). I was just proud to have made my first golem. I just got my shiny new Forge of Ancients to make some cool stuff to give it and see if I could win a battle. I say we come back when DC gets his new game going. |
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Agartha, Helheim and TNN - you guys OK with calling it a game?
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I will never accept the victory like this. Please be a little more patient. I may be able to find a sub.
As the answer to a few pms, I'm not blaming anyone. llamabeast & Ich's posts are fairly objective. DC is a sensible opponent. Sometimes his posts are tricky, but those're valid diplomatic strategy. Quite funny competing with him. (and pround to be winning against giantshttp://forum.shrapnelgames.com/image...es/biggrin.gif) Two crasher accidently landed on Capuchin, and they thought that I should have green skin as themselves. They had no faults. That's the way they judge people. I leave mainly because of my own reason. There are still many strategies in my head. My motivation of playing this game is to try them out and to see how they work. Seems like many heroes will jump out and accuse my evil action. My self-respect doesn't allow me to continue this evil test any more. It's irresponsible to just drop the game in such situation. But except appologize I can not do more. |
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Yeah, it's ok. Let's end this game with everz as the winner, although i would have liked to continue, have all gang up on him and try out some late game tactics.
Things i learned: - Never take just dom strength 4 when your neighbour might have a turmoil 3 sloth 3 death 3 heat 3 strength 10 dominion http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/smilies/wink.gif |
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I'm a bit player in this game, so if the general consensus is to end it then I'll go with that.
Honestly I apologize for staling so much. Who knows, maybe if I hadn't I coulda lent my weight in challenging TC. My own research wasn't too bad before my income tanked and I had to put my mages on defensive duty. |
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DryaUnda is interested to continue this game as Tien Chi. Could you give him a chance to try?
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Okay --
One final vote, Yea or Nay. Do we play on with Everz' sub or not? |
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I vote nay, that we should move onto a new game.
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Nay.
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Nay
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