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I'd seek to get conformation that both Aby and TC are in the game right away and give them a couple days to respond, then put out notices for replacements by the 2nd at the latest if they don't respond. Always better to have an actual person playing than a bot.

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}:[
Don't you think the two weeks pause was more than enough either to do the turn or to find a sub? For one that is missing there's no spoiling a wedding. I'd vote for no more delays — if we can find a sub by the time — great, otherwise set the stalers to AI or let them continue staling.

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I'll be leaving for a week starting the 6th, I intend to have my laptop with me, but in light of the modern necessity of travel, and having delayed a game or two, in my time I think we can wait a couple of days for the stragglers.

But I suppose its up to cleveland, since he's got the mojo.

Rabe the Vague on his Strategy

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I know it's frustrating, but these delays are expected this time of year.

I've contacted both licker (of Abysia) and Nikelaos (of Tien Chi) via PM. They're both great players with embattled nations; I'd hate to see either set AI.

Since licker stated he'd be back on the 5th, I'll postpone hosting until 20:00 GMT on the 6th. If I don't get PM replies 24hrs prior to hosting, I'll advertise for subs.

Thanks for your patience, and Happy New Year!

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Well this is annoying.

My understanding was that there would be a long enough pause for me to not have missed any turns.

Since that didn't happen I will go AI as my position is now completely untenable.

I must have misread something somewhere, but no big deal really, my position was hopeless anyway.

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licker,

The original holiday start date of Dec 23 was announced several months ago. I would certainly have accommodated any requests for an earlier start date; however, I don't recall ever receiving one. But the break did begin early: the game was halted immediately after another player noticed both you and TC were missing turns (in my deficiency as an admin, I wasn't monitoring the staling log).

Please accept my apologies for the annoyance, and my commendations on a well fought game.

Sincerely,
cleveland

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Everyone,

I'm going to immediately advertise for a replacement for Tien Chi. If no replacement is found by the deadline, TC will be set AI. There will be no further delays.

For the record, Man & Abysia have been at peace for the past 6 (maybe 7?) turns. Man has not benefited from Abysia's absence in any way.

Cheers,
cleveland

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Pangaea would like to inform that Arcoscephale has voided our previous agreement of non-aggression without giving the agreed notice.

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To one and all: Hail. The new king of Arcocephale greets you.
And I would like it to be known that I had nothing to do with such a despicale action Pangaeia.

To all nations, please do communicate with me directly to inform me of my obligations. Pangaiea specifically, please let us speak directly on what has occured, and how to repair matters.

Best wishes to all.

Heironyius
Captain of the Golden Arc

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OK, we're back up and running! A few announcements:

1) stattis has graciously taken over command of Tien Chi.

2) chrispedersen has graciously taken over command of Arcoscephale. He has not yet played a turn, so cut him some slack if his predecessor decided to break a NAP.

3) Since it's the first turn back from a long break and we have some new faces, 24hrs is being added to give everyone a chance to get their bearings back.

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Hmmm... you know its evil and underhanded when you break a NAP.

Its evil, underhanded and incompetent when you can't profit from it!


I hear the pipes of Pan... I just haven't found them...Paging pan!

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Unfortunately, it will be necessary to delay the game yet again.

chrispedersen, who has my sincere appreciation for volunteering to take over Arcoscephale, can no longer take over the position.

If Arco weren't newly involved in a war with Pangaea, I'd be tempted to allow him to stale while a sub is found. But it's a strong nation, and I think a swift dispatch at the hands of Pangaea would be overly disruptive to the game.

Please accept my apologies for the delay. I will begin a sub-search immediately.

cleveland

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and please accept my apologies. Severe personal difficulties have forced me to curtail my dominions. Best wishes and apologies again to all.

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Great news! slayers_ai has answered the call to lead Arcoscephale!

So we're now totally back on track. When the turn hosts, we'll be back on 27hr quickhost.

Cheers,
cleveland

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C'tis has 24 air gems we don't need. We'd like to trade 1-for-1 for earth, pm vfb if you are interested. We'll also trade for nature or pearls, but earth is preferred.

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the 27 hour limit, though MUCH better than a 24-hour limit is beginning to kick my ***, anyone else interested in 51 hours?

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I'll buy that for $1!

I'm not really having any trouble atm, but I'm all for making sure no one stales and burns out on the game. Plus 24h (or 27h) turns always make me slightly uncomfortable..... as on the off chance I don't have the time to do the turn the second I get the email, there's a slight chance of a stale. :o But, everyone has that same risk, so I grab my cajonas and ride into the great unknown!

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A motion has been made & seconded to permanently increase the turn duration to 51hrs (quickhost).

Per the overly-complicated rules announced at the start of this game:
" Quorum shall be 75% of ACTIVE players, and >50% vote wins. If the vote fails, no new vote can be held for at least 2 full turns. "

The remaining players must now vote to (A) Increase the timer to 51hrs, (B) Maintain the current 27hr timer, or (C) Abstain.

Please post your vote here on this thread.

There are 16 players remaining in this game, so the vote shall be valid if at least 12 players vote.

Voting will be open for 24hrs, ending at 05:00 GMT on Friday, Jan 16th. The game will be delayed during this time.

Questions?

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The kingdom of C'tis is small, and takes little time to manage. But we have no objections to giving other nations more time to manage their huge, burdensome empires.

C'tis votes: (A) Increase the timer to 51hrs.

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I must be very bad dominions player, but I've never understood how it may take more than 30 minutes to make a turn even in lategame, unless you are micromanaging every single piece of gold and chaff. And even if you do, that 2% additional efficiency you get come with -50% of interest for me — it's not only extremely boring to wait for another 27 hours, but it also consumes significantly more time, cause I have to remember what the hell I was planning 2 days ago. And, as for me, it's much better to lose an interesting game, than to win a boring snail-speed one.
So my vote goes for (B). Btw, isn't it logical to delay the next turn for voting, not the current one?

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In the late game, when you have many territories, and MANY mages, and are scripting multiple large scale battles, potentially with a communion here or there. When you are examining enemy SCs to determine potential weak points, and trying to gear yours to specifically exploit your enemy, while leaving minimal vulnerabilities. When you are managing your finite gem income to get maximal effect, because with some gem types you are burning through a surplus that you need to plan for the depletion of, or you are saving some to snag large summons or a global.

Oh yeah, a very complicated turn simply cannot be done in 30 minutes, unless you are already accepting defeat.

Not that we are that late game, or that anyone is that large in this game - but some people just can't reliably sit down every single day to run Dominions turns, unless they're the 5 minute variety at the start.

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Just to clarify, its not that the empire is so large (though it is getting there) it's that my 7 month old is teething, and it's hard to find an hour free every day. if I have 2 days, that puts a square in the denominator of my staling function.


Rabe, ....who originally wrote demoninator... coincidence? :D

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I don't think that 2 is the square of 1. :o

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Ulm votes for (A).
In SP I can finish dozens of turns within hours. But that's because I feel no pressure from the AIs. As for MP, there is always much more to think: which item to forge? which spell is priority? Enter a new path, but how? -Gambling for 10% chance? aim at summons? empowerment? There is a war between your neighbors, who should be aided and in which way?...

Though in this game I have very little objects to manage, I think I can understand why so many people need long time to finish his turn at this phase.

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I didn't want anyone's vote to be influenced by the current turn's time crunch. Objectivity, and whatnot.

As the admin, I will (C) Abstain. My vote will count toward quorum, but will not otherwise effect the outcome; only (A) and (B) votes will be considered in the final calculation.

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I vote for A.

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Hi everybody, I vote for A:)

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OK, it's 5:00:00 GMT, voting is closed. Here's the tally:

rabelais - A
JimMorrison - A
vfb - A
alhorro - B
BesucherXia - A
cleveland - C
MadFrancis - A
slayers_ai - A

With only 8 votes cast, we did not have quorum (12 needed). The game timer extension therefore fails; we'll continue on 27hr quickhost.

The issue can be raised again on turn 37.

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I am going to forward the motion that despite the failure of this vote, that we convene the council to determine whether or not turn 37 is a realistic point to expect to be able to manage daily turns. >.>

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Why would we need 12 yes's to approve the new schedule anyway? There are only 16 humans left. I vote that AI's don't get to vote. Also, it would have been a good idea to send out an admin email that we were holding a vote, for the players who are not reading the boards every day.

And rabelais, don't forget you can ask for an extension under extenuating circumstances, such as children teething on your keyboard.

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I rarely read these boards, so I missed this entire voting thing. I really do not have any opinion on the matter. However, if no-one objects to extending the turn times to 51h, I am in favor.

I'll repeat myself:
I vote in favor of turn extension to 51h in any further voting IF there are no players that object to an extension.

As you can also deduce from above. If you send a PM to this forum, I probably won't read it within 48h. In game messages work very well.

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It's not that we'd need 12 yes's, we'd need at least 12 votes for it to be valid. Of the votes cast, only 50% would have to be yes's. This is to prevent action from happening if only like 3 people vote.[/quote]

Yes, that would have been an excellent idea. I apologize for not thinking of it.

alhorro did object to the extension.

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How's this sound: Let's plan on another vote during Turn 37, and in the mean time, I will wield my Supreme Executive Authority to extend the timer to 51hrs. That way, everyone can get a feel for the extended timer, and make an informed decision. Sound equitable?

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Thanks for the explanation Cleveland! But I had to go look at wikipedia anyway, because I missed your link the first time around.

Anyway, I'm sure rabelais' baby will enjoy the extra hours of having his dad's fingers over the weekend, due to your Supreme Executive Authority-wielding. :D


P.S. No apologies necessary, your fair and balanced adminning is much appreciated! :)

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Oh ... it's turn 37 already, how did that happen. Anyway, are we going to vote again? I suppose the vote will have to be during turn 38. Could we have another 51hr turn when the game hosts please, so everyone has time to vote?

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both I and my son Zev vote yea, on 51 hour turns.

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C'tis pays its respects to those nations who sent challengers to the Arena this month.

A great lizards chorus was heard singing in the swamps this month:

Da da DAAAAA da da DAAAAA da da DAAAA da da DAAA da da da da da da da da DAAAAA!

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Were they graduating? :)

I'm surprised C'tis didn't send one of his Tartarians. No worries; I'm sure we'll all get to see them soon enough. :eek:

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OK, the vote is now on...rather coincidental, considering what's going on in the US today. Don't forget!

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Holy broken smoking mirror... 30 virgins... wasted on a deathmatch?! It was pain to watch it. Better sell your virgins to us — we are always interested in blood.

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I could probably use more time, even if it does look like my empire is running short on that particular resource.

I vote yes on extending to 51 hours.

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Sure. However, as long as you remember that I have given a statement to this effect, in any further votes conducted (or what-have-you) I am not just obstaining. As far as one player being against the extension, there are some myriad possibilities that exist.

1) He doesn't vote. 2) He changes his mind.

yada.. yada..

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Er don't know if we're still voting but I'll abstain on any turn time related vote.

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There's only 15 people left, 75% of which is 11.25, and Zeb gets .25, right?

With the spirit of Florida guiding me, I think the current tally is:

1 rabelais - A
2 JimMorrison - A
3 vfb - A
4 alhorro - B
5 BesucherXia - A
6 cleveland - C
7 MadFrancis - A
8 slayers_ai - A
9 Otherling - A
10 Mithras - C
11 qio - C
11.25 Zeb - A

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Having received the reminding letter of voting, but haven't we already enough participants?

We have right now only 15 active players inculding those hopeless ones:

Arcoscephale - slayers_ai
Atlantis - JimMorrison
Caelum - qio
C'tis - vfb
Jotunheim - rabelais
Machaka - Otherling
Man - cleveland
Mictlan - alhorro
Oceania - Mithras
Pangaea - Juffos
Pythium - Fakeymcfake
R'lyeh - MadFrancis
T'ien Ch'i - statttis
Ulm - BesucherXia
Vanheim - Valerius

That means, 15*0.75=11.25 votes is the right threshold, not 12.

edit:
Hmmm...... So slow is my typing...

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Egads! You're both right...I didn't check the list for newly lost soldiers.

@ 15 players, quorum is11.25 votes, and rabelais's son indeed gets 0.25 votes...so it counts!

Motion passes, game is now on a 51hr timer!

Phew. Definitely will decrease the quorum requirement to 50% in future games.

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The marshes of C'tis overflow with water gems, and we would be pleased to trade these away for nature gems.

Please PM vfb with your offers.

-- Rappi, God of the Swamps

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Avalon Records is pleased to announce it has just signed pop superstar Bogus!

Bogus, lead singer of "Bogus and His Band of Merry Adventurers," joined Avalon Records after intense negotiations, which ultimately culminated in hand-to-hand combat.

Fellow bandmates, shocked that Bogus would sell-out to the (nation of) Man, refused to join him in the contract, on grounds that, "It's not about the money, it's about the music and pillaging. Except for the money we get from pillaging."

In the end, Bogus was only able to convince Fang, the group's Bass Guitarist and Archer, to join him. He consequently slew the remaining bandmembers.

Bogus, whose discography includes such classics as "I Came, I Saw, I Conquered, I Stood Around for No Reason," has already begun recording his next hit single, a love ballad titled "Girl, I'm Gonna Rescue You (From a Blood Slave Dungeon)." Look for it in fine stores everywhere!

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Though it would be awesome to steal Fang's "Fire Magic Users" command, the nation of Man does not need to resort such underhanded tactics to achieve victory. Below, a screenshot of good-ol' Fang, after a healthy wholloping with the nerf-bat:

Attachment 7608

-Man

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C'tis is still interested in trading for nature gems. I'll trade water or pearls.

Please PM vfb with your offers.

-- Rappi, God of the Swamps

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I assume Jotunheim's computer is still on the fritz, and postponed hosting by 12hrs accordingly. Will that be enough time Rabe?

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Poor Jotunheim. So many provinces, so little time, no computer.

Hosting postponed by 1 day to give him a chance to put in a good turn.

Speaking of which, shouldn't we all try to kill him sometime soon? :D

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No no no ... Mictlan is the real threat! They have turkeys, you know, and one of them slew my S2 tartarian last month. Now all my other tartarians are taking the month off for his funeral.

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I still have no endgame strat and only a few crappy artifacts... all the boosters + the hammer were long gone. (not to mention illearth (grrr)) ...besides, due to the oddities of the map its hard to get to one another. I suspect the game will go on forever. Now to try to get my turn done before my wife honeydews me again.


Rabe