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Good to have you back, yandav. Psycho, hosting has been delayed 12 hours.

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Llamaserver just returned the hosting time to the old one. What is going on?

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Psycho, what happened? Did you submit your turn and the game hosted? Or did the game remove the 12 hours I added and you quickly sent in your turn so you wouldn't stale? I know it took the change - 15 minutes after postponing hosting I checked the site and it had the new hosting time. Did it then revert to the original time?

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The game removed the 12 hours and I sent my turn so I wouldn't stale, but with many completely wrong orders unfortunately. The new time stood there for a while and it changed back some 10-15 minutes before the old hosting time. I was refreshing the llamaserver page every 5 mins due to boredom and saw when it happened. I immediately posted here, but you weren't around, unfortunately. I am sure the same thing happened the last time you postponed as well. I know I saw the new time on llamaserver then as well.

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Would people object a rollback? I am not asking for one yet, but I am considering it.

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Ok, I posted in a thread about this issue. Maybe llama can shed some light on the matter.

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Mictlan's turn is not in, I think we need a delay.

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Yeah, I was about to postpone hosting. I take it you just sent yours in? The llamaserver indicates two turns still missing.

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I didn't. I am about to.

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Ok, hosting postponed 12 hours. Let's see if it takes.

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Can you also turn the quickhost off? I changed my turn according to the assumption that Mictlan will stale (that is, I didn't attack some provinces I wanted to). I would like to change that when I know his turn is in.

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Sure, quickhost is now off. And the llamaserver just updated with the new hosting time.

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Let's hope it doesn't change back.

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I think we're ok. At least the original hosting time passed without the time resetting.

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I've been having problems accessing my own computer because the needs of some of my house guests. Though I should be able to finish my turn well before the current deadline. I'll get to work on it right away.

Edit: Also, I'm declaring war against Vanheim or something. NAP in effect and all that Jazz. Good luck.

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I didn't see that coming. :shock: Just so we're on the same page: I think we have a NAP 3 so we can issue attack orders on turn 54, with the battles taking place on turn 55.

Now I'm glad quickhost is off for this turn since I'll need to make some changes. After this turns hosts I'll turn quickhost on again.

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Likewise.

I am good to go, you can force host when you're ready.

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Given the sudden turns of events I think I'll now need the extra time to redo my turn. :)

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AOE, just a clarification. Apparently Psycho and I have a different interpretation of a NAP 3. We are going with his interpretation and since the two of you will probably want to have your NAPs end the same turn that means you and I can issue attack orders against each other on turn 55, with the battles taking place on turn 56.

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Declaration issued on turn 52.
52 + 3 = 55
Turn 55 is when I can issue attack orders.

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Ouch, what bad luck for Ctis in that battle. If only he had someone to cast storm (or at least some bodyguards with marshmasters who cast those BEs).

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Yeah, I did get lucky there. I wouldn't have stormed those forts without seeing what was inside if I didn't feel rushed by the fact that in a couple of turns I think my luck in this game will run out.

BTW, Pan's poaching of C'tis' lands has been noted. :mad:

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Those lands have been poached from Pyth, when I was fighting him. They should have belonged to me in the first place. I didn't mind Ctis holding them temporarily too much, but I wouldn't like to see them in your hands as a base of operations against me.

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I'll need extra time for this turn so I've postponed hosting until 5:25 GMT Monday.

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Sorry, but I'm going to need to postpone hosting once again. I thought I'd be able to get to the turn this weekend but that now looks unlikely. With war beginning it obviously would not be a good time for me to just submit a rushed turn. New hosting time is 9:00 GMT Tuesday.

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Val must be preparing a devastating move to crush all opposition on the first turn of war. :)

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I'm sure it will be glorious, particularly since the one Ice Devil of his that I was tracking has given me the slip.


Now, as Valerius already knows, I'm looking for a sub for this game. A small part of it is that I've had less time to work out my turns, yet this hasn't been too much of an issue. At the very worse it's caused me lose focus on several key turns. Yet, that isn't really the reason for my departure.

Valerius, you've made a really good game and I really enjoyed it for a while. Psycho, your name is very fitting. Ever since I started my war against Pangaea, I've been pelted with numerous private messages. Multiple times a turn I've had to read about how the war would only be a waste of resources and about how other nations will be getting ahead of us. The constant whining has, to date, been the worse attack in a game of dominions that I have yet had to suffer. I'd hate to say it, but I was brow beaten into making peace. Knowing full well that Pangaea was actually in a good position and rightfully should be a target, I still decided to give up in hopes that he'd shut up. However, this has not been the case and this particular game has no way of being fun for me anymore. I see no reason to play a game that isn't fun. I'm not doing what I think should actually be done and I've made a promise to continue that course of action. I greatly apologize for this and I'll do what I can to find someone willing to play as Mictlan.

Thanks and good luck.

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Well, that's not quite true. I've made three attempts at making peace with you - once when you declared, then after I defeated your sieging army and finally the third time when you accepted. I have started spamming you with PMs lately trying to get you to coordinate against Vanheim, but mostly ran into a wall of silence, which was very odd. It seems that the no-diplomacy type of game would be more fitting for you. I am used to doing a lot of PM communication in games and nobody complained before (I sent a lot more PMs to Van then to you). I hope I haven't been boring other people too.

Still, hasn't everything I said turned out exactly that way? We've had a stalemate for 15 turns, which ended in me gaining one castle and you gaining nothing. In the meantime, Vanheim grew double in power and gobbled up Ctis with the help of Eriu.

I am sorry about the way you feel about this game. If you wanted to continue our war, then why didn't you? I can't understand this. I thought you realized, like I did, that Vanheim was running away with the game.

Finally, I want to say that you've been a very good opponent and that you inspired me to want to play Ma Mictlan and I hope to try a similar build in my next MA game. Again, sorry I ruined this game for you.

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AOE, sorry to see you go. Thanks for playing. I thought you and Psycho were very well matched. To be honest I thought your war might go on a long time ... and I was hoping it would. :) If one of you had wrapped things up quickly I thought I'd be in trouble, even with GoNB. Of course both of you allying against me was even worse. ;)

I can't argue with the logic of the two of you making peace and attacking me. The only arguments I can make against it are that Van is not a late game power and, even more so, I am not a good late game player since my hatred of micromanagement overcomes my desire to win. I will also say that I agree with AOE that Pan is a real threat and taking me out may only mean that he is handed the crown.

Oh one other thing, AOE. I don't know as much about your strategies as Psycho but I know you were using an E9 bless. I really liked that and don't think I've seen it before on Mictlan. It turned out to have a nice synergy with those indie pegasus riders.

AOE has already posted in the "games seeking a sub" thread but I'll add a post to the forum as well.

Psycho, I'm afraid I don't have any great plans for the war. I just have had no time the past few days to work on my turn. I'm too tired to work on it now but tomorrow I'll try come up with something to slow you down. :)

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There was no turn from Mictlan a half hour before hosting so I postponed hosting. Will also bump the sub thread.

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I just responded in the sub thread that I would like to take AOE's place

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Welcome to the game SciencePro! Please PM me your e-mail and I'll make the change.

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I just realized AOE sent in a turn a few hours ago and the game hosted. SciencePro, the only real difference between the current game situation and my sub post is that the war is two turns old and Mictlan has sent squads of pegasus riders and small forces of his sacreds to raid me and I've been trying to fend them off. Pan has been very lazy and not attacked me at all. In fact, Pan may be planning on betraying Mictlan so if you'd like to rethink your alliance with him Van would be interested in talking. :)

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Lol, nice try. :D

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Thanks for subbing in SciencePro. My apologies to everyone for my departure. A special apology to Psycho. In the end I had a lot less time to conduct my turns and the additional diplomacy made it much more stressful. Again, the game wasn't un-fun because of anything you did in particular, it was un-fun because I promised not to pursue the course of action I wanted most to do.

Good luck to you all.

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I still haven't heard from SciencePro. Can we have a 24h delay.

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He PM'd me that he'd have a chance to complete his turn today. But I went ahead and postponed hosting by 24 hours.

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Yes thanks for the extension. I said I didn't need it, but it actually turns out to be a good since I want to PM with everyone first before I decide what to do.

I will defiantly have my turn in by the new deadline. After that, you can expect me to play pretty fast.

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Can I have another 24h extension?

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Sure; hosting has been postponed 24 hours.

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The new Mictlan administration broke the treaty they had with Pangaea. For this they will be punished.

Val, would you give me peace, so I can continue where I stopped 5 turns ago? I know it might be much to ask, but in a way it can be seen as I was double-crossed and set back 5 turns. You would be a great sport. :)

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I'm afraid I can't do that. I wouldn't feel right sticking Mictlan with the war after us making peace gave me a fighting chance. And if you did beat him I'd only have to fight you then - but you'd have 50% more gem income than me and almost equal gold income (even with me having GoNB). Sorry, but I think this is my best chance to beat you - and I by no means think that's a certain thing since I've seen you beat worse odds before. Looking at the graphs, the only advantage I have over you is gold income; so it's like a sporting event where the lesser player gets an advantage to give them a chance against the better player. :)

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Heh, you are stronger than us combined, but I understand. I had to try. ;) Bah, if only this game somehow rolled five turns back. :) Well, I certainly won't give up. I know I don't have any chances now, but I am going to give you a good fight.

Hey, Eriu, would you come to my aid? You can answer by PM if you prefer.

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Do not believe the lies of the horny goat-men!

They are known practitioners of the abominations of blood hunting, human sacrifice, and blood magic! And God knows every deviant sexual abomination ever dreamed of. They are inventing new sexual abominations as we speak!

Fellow Humans (and Lizards and Sidhes), the time has come to end the frolicking of this large-penis'd adversary. If Pangea rules the land then some of our women will be sacrificed and the rest will be thrown to the horny goat-men. Even the lizard-girls will be nothing but playthings in an orgy of goat-sex. Lock up your daughters, sisters and mothers and grab your axe. It's time for war!

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I know I'm not stronger than the two of you combined ... but I'm definitely not going to give any hints as to my weak areas. :)

I know you won't give up and I think there's a decent chance we'll end up stalemating, like you and Mictlan did. All I know is I've got to keep my dominion strong so that VQ of yours and all your vampires don't have free rein to attack my territories.

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Yep, dominion is your way to go. You've got quite a few vampires of your own, as well.

BTW, I know this turn has been prolonged a lot, but I didn't even start doing it, waiting for diplomatic situation to crystallize. I'll try to finish it tonight, but if I don't manage, it would be nice to get about 4 hours delay.

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I'm in the same situation as you. Once the llamaserver is back to normal I'll put through the delay. Apologies to yandav and Psi for the delays while all this has occurred.

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Just so everyone is on the same page... Van and Pan are obviously currently at war. Van and Mictlan are now at peace. Are Mictlan and Pan at war immediately? Are they dissolving their NAP (which I assume they have) and will be at war soon? Just want to find out where everyone stands.

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Well I wasn't planning to attack anyone at the moment. But I figured when Psycho started saying I was going to be punished and that he wants help from the other two nations that he was planning to attack me. If I misunderstood then fine I don't mind staying neutral for the time being.

Anyway I was hoping we wouldn't have to hash all this out on the forum but it's inevitable now. Pyscho has sent me about a dozen PM’s in the last few days. In the first few he just started ordering me around. Then, when I tell him I plan to stay neutral for the time being he suddenly starts to claim that I have inherited a promise to “continue attacking vanheim until they are defeated.” He starts talking about how he gave up a castle and all these provinces in order to secure this promise.

I’m skeptical of what he is saying for a couple reasons:
1) AoE’s forum post that stated he was browbeat into making peace and agreed just to get psycho to “shut up”
2) The fact that Psycho didn’t mention this alleged promise until like his 5th or 6th message.

I’m also skeptical because what he is saying doesn’t seem consistent with the history in the score graph. So I ask him to state exactly what Mictlan received in exchange for this promise and when it was given.

He said that the deal was made “exactly” five turns ago and:
Okay so that would be six provinces, 115, 106, 109, 97, 96, and 86. Not counting the three provinces I raided from vanheim (which I didn’t include above either), I have 24 provinces now. Five turns ago I had 26. In fact I’ve had 26 for pretty much the entire game except a short time when I held about 6 of pan’s current provinces. So I started with 26 and then Psycho gave me 6 more and I ended up with a total of 24????

So was he just lying or does he really believe that it’s possible to “give” someone provinces they already have and have had for a long time? Regardless, it seems to me that the only thing AoE got out of this alleged deal is what he said in his forum post, for Pyscho to stop browbeating him and to “shut up.”

Well, I return that to you. You have my blessing to browbeat as much as you want.

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