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Honestly, I did not read that from your post... that you had pulled it already from your OOB. If it is a portend of a patch release, hooray!

Truly, as I do development work, where I get paid, I never do it in the production folders or on the production machines. So, yeah, although I am thinking, just was not on the same page as you. Now, I know and thanks for the heads-up, and the reminder.

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The BTR-90 is being used in small numbers by interior ministry troops and that number PROBABLY exceeds DOZENS of units entered in both games OOB's that nobody ever questions but I have given up fighting this BTR-90 issue and have pulled all the units from the game now.

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As noted in the MBT Thread, Don and I have had some discussion about the "BOOMERANG" over the last 2>3 years now. Well from when I first came across this and brought it up I can finally say it exists. Again it sorta reminds me of the Patria AMV.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...ay_parade.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/russi...telligenc.html

The highlighted portions will link you to those pieces of equipment I mentioned in the MBT Thread.

Not mentioned is the fact that the Russian Paras are starting to take deliveries of 2 different types of APC/IFV's.

Regards,
Pat

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Another Boomerang pic.
There're rumours, that Russians are preparing a fire support version of Boomerang with heavier weaponry.

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Big pictures of T-15 and Kurganets.
Looks like there are TWO types of APS on every vehicle... :eek:

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Alright from the ref below, the following pieces of equipment have been "approved" to appear in the Russian Victory Day Parade. With the following exceptions the rest are on my tracking sheet for submission of which over 3/4 are or will be fielded this year. The exceptions are the GAZ, S-400, ICBM and the T-90A which I thought was a couple of years out yet. Obviously due to limits of the OOB at current levels I will need to prioritize these submissions. This collection on the whole (Less ICBM one.) I believe would fill out the Russian OOB.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april...ay_9_2015.html

I put this here as the ref is more APC/IFV heavy then in the other categories.

Regards,
Pat

Regards,
Pat

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All new russian vehicles with turrets revealed. I think there is also an IFV Boomerang variant.

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The information from the official website of the Ministry of Defence of Russia.

http://eng.mil.ru/en/multimedia/phot...msPhotoGallery

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Welcome to the logistics nightmare

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Conversely.
Platform Armata = Tank, Heavy APC
Platform Kurganets-25 = Tracked APC, IFV
Platform Bumerang = Wheeled APC

Minimum type, maximum variants.

In Russia varied landscape and need a variety of machines.

Show me a country in which there are no problems of logistics ?

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Luxembourg?

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Final rehersal on the streets of Moscow, including some repainted WWII stuff on BBC News site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32588868

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Better Top shot of the tank (for icon making)

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Top Shot of IFV

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LOVELY SHOTS---- I won't be able to do them justice until next year though..BELIEVE ME If I was healthy I'd be all over them:)

DON

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As much as I'd love to see the entire new family of Russian AFVs in SPMBT...

...I honestly don't think they will actually really enter service for quite some time. The GDP of Russia tracks very closely to the price of Oil on the global market; and the price/bbl has been depressed for quite some time.

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If anyone sees any additional top shots like this don't be shy about posting them --does anyone know if the armata will be using external fuel tank as was SOP in the past?

don

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Livejournal photographer took these shots (see above):

http://a-andreich.livejournal.com/

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From the link that Epeletov posted; I pulled images and through google translate figured out which is which:

This post has

BTR MIC-7829 (Boomerang)

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This shot has Cornet-AM based armored car Tiger

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This post has BTR-MD Shell and Chrysanthemum C / (Khrizantema-S)

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This post contains Ural-63095 (Typhoon-U) -- Russia's answer to the Mine Resistant Vehicle (MRV / MRAP); proof from 14.5 mm armor-piercing bullets, up to 8 kg of explosives underneath.

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This post contains 2S35 Coalition-SV images.

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More 2S35 Coalition-SV images

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This post contains BMP Armata (object 149) images

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This post contains BMP Armata OBJ 149 top views

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This post contains Tank Armata (Obj 148) views

One of the photos is a photoshopped artists impression of what they think the Obj 148 unmanned turret looks like without external applique armor packs.

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OK, that's pretty much it for now.

Posted them here; because despite them being degraded from 10+MB JPEGs to 96 kb jpegs by the forum software; they'll still be here on shrapnel's servers and not lost to the internet if links change or go dead.

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just FYI --the Typhoon is in the game now

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Will we see those new vehicles soon?

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Next year

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Rgr.

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been figuring width and length based on the size of the drivers head:)..and calling that 8" but it doesn't quite match the LxW proportions seen in the top down photos

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Some more Armata pictures.

First is a comparison of T-14 Armata and T-90A shot from the same angle -- it clearly shows that the Armata is a different combat chassis from the T-72/T-90 family -- the road wheels also are different.

Plus, look at that glacis armor improvement over the T-90A!

Second is another artist's impression of what Armata might look without the applique armor -- they're getting better at drawing these as time goes on.

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Video Armata comparison with UAZ Hunter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYhyzJ7jdGE

http://www.uaz.ru/en/cars/hunter#tx

Someone tried to calculate the size of the tank.
Orange inscription reads: distortion of the camera.

Source is now available.
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/

Link found here, under this photo.
http://vpk.name/library/f/armata.html

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Looks like those new vehicles (Kurganets and maybe Boomerang) will not be manufactured for a quite some time. The KurganMash factory signed a contract with russian ministry of defense for production of hundreds of modernized BMP-3's. It will take few years (from 4 to 6 years) to complete this order. So no bigger scale production of Kurganets can be expected before 2020-2022.

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What about 30mm upgunned Strykers?

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They're coming I've been tracking this since March/April starting with ref. 1. The STRYKER is to mount a Konsberg 30mm HV cannon with a 7.62mm coax mg. I believe they'll also have an ATGW capability as well. This is currently intended for the 2nd CAV Regiment which at the time the first ref appeared, was our only armored unit left in Europe. That has now changed as an armored brigade I believe will be sent to Europe this fall. It is to include the M1A2 SEP V2 along with the STRYKER. And yes it's on my work list. Just a quick note again about the Russian new equipment, I think some of you will be surprised to see that they'll get some of this equipment sooner than later with a couple already assigned to active army units. The immediate issue is where to put in the OOB. But there's time anyway and remember we might not even have a patch for next year as it seems to me along with all these equipment issues, they're both a very "fluid situation" no intel just a feeling. Until "someone" tells me to "step it up" it's one day at a time.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/april..._vehicles.html
http://www.armyrecognition.com/june_..._11006151.html

TRACKING

Now if only my second bathroom project had gone as well as the first, I'm just feeling a little :cold: and :mad: right now.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

I'm not asleep at the helm yet so...

A taste of Russia...

http://www.janes.com/article/51469/r...our-revolution
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...le_system.html
http://www.janes.com/article/49753/f...irborne-forces
http://www.armyrecognition.com/may_2..._18051501.html

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This next compliments the previous post, this ref. is from today.
http://www.army-technology.com/proje...hting-vehicle/

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Just bringing it home for my tracking and review from the SPA/SPAA Thread so this might not be new to you!!

From the USA PEO GCS office the AMPV is to start a 52 month (~4.3yrs.) Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) process by BAE the contract winner. The EMD once completed will turnover 29 vehicles the Army for evaluation. This process should take about 2-3yrs. based on my tracking of these events as in reality we're dealing with a known, though moderately improved platform. Best guess tracking to somewhere out to 2022/2023. The ref. is dated 24 Dec. 2014. Very much falls in line with what Mark just posted as also one of my sources as you know and the others I'm holding in my APC folder.
http://www.peogcs.army.mil/news/ampv...arded-bae.html
http://www.peogcs.army.mil/ampv.html (Covers models to be built on the bottom of 1st para.)

The home office...
http://www.peogcs.army.mil/index.html

ALSO...since we're at it...

The USMC will see their operational capability with the ACV 1.1 in 2020. This will prove a very hot competition between BAE and SAIC (TERREX 2 8x8) which are both fielding known fully amphibious platforms. It reports had given SAIC an early edge as the TERREX, first seen as a 6x6 platform was the first successful 360 situational awareness APC developed to include an RWS to operate in the same manner. TERREX 1 as it's now referred to was originally developed by TIMOTHY Industries of Ireland. And thought they just made good Beer and Whiskey!?! TERREX (1) was one of my first posts in the APC Thread where I'll re-post this to.
http://news.usni.org/2015/11/24/mari...stems-and-saic

I feel like I'm slowly coming back. I hear some of you already!?! :doh: (Used not for it's normal meaning! :p)

Need I say it-yeah, with an addition-CONTINUING TO TRACK.

Two for one not bad Don.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Great.....I get to use the Stryker Icon for something else or any one of a number of already existing IFV Icons....the Patria looks very close......EFVP part deux let me know when they float one full of Marines

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...ntoHeatUp.aspx

quote----The first phase of vehicles could be deployed as early as 2020, with full operational capability projected for 2023.

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Seems the new USMC Amphibious Combat Vehicle has been narrowed to two contenders:

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/stor...acts/77380728/

The SAIC's Terrex 1 is a very interesting design.

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doesnt the fact that Terrex can't hold a full squad kinda rule it out?

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Simply put, no, the USMC is evaluating the ST Engineering/SAIC submission which is the TERREX 2 8x8 which will carry C2/P12
fully equipped troops with resupply. As discussed in ref. 1. Ref. 2 looks at both ACV 1.1 and the MPC Programs. 3. The competition BAE/IVECO from the "ground up". 4. The GAO speaks. 5. Another option? This was expressed in other places as well. I always respect another point of view, however, SAM's come to my mind as another problem and lift capability.
http://www.janes.com/article/54107/s...moured-vehicle
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R42723.pdf
http://www.baesystems.com/en-us/arti...v-1-1-program#
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/stor...ment/75039660/
http://ec.militarytimes.com/pdfs/marine-procurement.pdf

The AVC 1.1 is just the beginning "a stop gap" if you will. If allowed to fully mature, in the end there will be an over the horizon solution-or Dons favorite-something akin to the EFV.

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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:)

http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/attac...1&d=1456318343

EFVP Déjà vu

< singing The Who's "won't get fooled again..........>

( 'cause how could I resist beating my head against that wall again.......) It IS nice that just about every recent APC developed looks the same......it's makes my job easier and before anyone says " hey those are too big" they are 3x sized but they are proportioned to the BAE version

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Ideally whatever vehicle is adopted will carry around 15-20 passengers, a standard 13-man squad plus a 2 to 4-man support team (AT, MG, Engr, whatever) that's a pretty much standard attachment to a Rifle Squad.
The real problem is the USMC can't use large numbers of vehicles simply because all the vehicles used to transport a landing force have to be able to fit into the US Navy amphibious ships. Unless a vehicle that carries half as many troops is literally half the volume and mass as one that carries twice as many it just plain won't work. This is why USMC LVTs are so damn big in the first place. Their APC function is secondary to their amphibious one.

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I'll simply call this "better late than never"...the WARTHOG has gone the way of the VIKING, which is retired then probably sold off or donated. On my list for next year.
http://www.janes.com/article/58712/b...moured-vehicle

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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I expect we'll see the ACV 1.1 come into fruition within the new end date expected in the next patch, ACV 1.2 towards the end but, this next if I may quote one of the great heroes in all of history!!!!....this next will continue "INTO INFINITY AND BEYOND!" - BUZZ LIGHTYEAR. Given it's long history and now the probability is this vehicle will be around to the end of the 2020's if not 2030+. ACV 1.1 was never meant to replace the the AAV but to only to augment it. The replacement will come from the ACV 1.2 competition winner whose costs are rising at about 11-12 million dollars per unit still a little less than 1/2 the cost of the EFV. Here's your article...
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...grades-024049/

For my USMC friend out here this morning was a 234/240 (She'll know what I mean.) seven years in a row @ 230+, I think I'm almost ready to take you on at the range!?! But somehow I expect you'd find a way to "legally" shoot over 240! :D

Still not a 1911 COLT .45 though. :(

Regards,
Pat

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Just found this to accompany my last post...
http://www.armyrecognition.com/march...ine_corps.html

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Well, looks like the are a LOT more comfortable then the older wood bench. Now if they've figured out how to vent the exhaust outside the vehicle rather then inside the crew/passenger compartment ...
http://www.defensenews.com/videos/de...3/16/81883614/