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Got a Doom Horror this time, the Slave to Unreason, along with a few more lesser horrors. I had set up my bodyguards quite well to deal with the lessers, but, um, not so much against the Doom Horror.

Ah well, AC is gone for now at least.

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Well, if you'd like AC to come back up, you'll need to start collecting some slaves. Machaka is not long for this world!

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What a battle. Seems like it never ends.

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Shinuyama will be S and B gems. Good prices!

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WTB: mage(s) that can cast rain of toads or send lesser horror

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do we need to switch to a 60hour hosting schedule? that's how long all the turns have been anyways... or would switching to a 60hour schedule just end up making all the turns 72h :-p ?

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Yeah, what Namad said. A longer hosting schedule is needed.

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i'm not sure i want to go to 72h... going to 72h often kills a game


a compromise might work or... or we just keep granting extremely liberal delays but 'trying' to go as fast as we can


i don't really care either way i just think it's funny that we're operating on a defacto minor delay granted every turn

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Well i think a couple stales will help solve the problem. Since most of the time, no one has actually asked for an extension, they are just lucky that Zeldor is so forgiving. how about not giving delays unless they are asked for and see if people clean up their act? if people who are always late then ask for more time, we can maybe extend. but i think some of them are just being lazy since they know Zeldor won't stale them.

oh, and i am against 72h also. i lose intrest when its that slow

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Yeah, I will grant delays like asked [like now].

I am against increasing hosting schedule. I prefer to simply add some time whenever someone asks for it. You have 48h to ask for it.

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It looks like it got stuck on hosting Utopia. I hope it sends turns out soon :)

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Ok, I have moved hosting to 60h, as some big wars are starting :)

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Oh?? :)

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Seems like real life step on top of me. Could we delay the hosting 12 hours?

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Sure, added.

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Thanks, I did not really expect you to see it in time. =)

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I have postponed the turn for myself, as I won't be able to finish it before night.

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60 hour turns. And now you need a delay? You should really get your act together Zeldor. This is becoming tiresome.

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At least my turns don't take that long to do anymore...

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if you found 60hour turns tiresome you certainly didn't choose correctly :-p

we might as well just go to 72h i reckon

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It is done then, hosting is 72h. As we have Easter now, I am willing to grant extensions. But I hope we won't need any postponements after Easter.

BTW, as there appeared many Utopia clones after we started this one, I don't think I will be doing next version so soon, I think next game will be Madness 2 [WoG Remake map, 24 players, MA + LA, 150% settings, diff research].

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i wish i had joined dystopia


i've just realized that rich games are really fun and exciting but require 10000000times the work...


i think for a rich game to be perfect it might want to limit itself to... say... 80-150provs and 12-20players

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Well, if I'd make another one, it'd be on Greece Stain, so 10 provs/player.

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it's kind of sad that the number of battles that will be happening this turn are proportional to the number of days I had to do the turn ... instead of the number of units I have :-p

I suppose though if I were more gung ho about things I could put in more than 1-2hours a day... it's just that 2hours a day max has always been plenty for dom3 for me in the past (even if I was in 2or3 games... yet utopia alone as my only game takes so much more than that that I just do half of what I'd planned don't bother to check my work and email it in)


at very least zeldor knows what I am talking about as well as probably some others ... definitely I think we'll have to convert rich games into crowded games ... a really crowded really rich game sounds like it could be quite interesting... because territory would become MORE meaningful than ever before... without totally breaking down?

who knows... also... after you see how pathetically few units i've scripted you might question why it took me 6hours to do it? well... I waste a lot of time issuing retardedly pointless orders (you preach you don't preach etc) so that i'm burnt out before i finish analyzing battle orders (out of that 6hours only 30-80minutes were even prolly used on scripting units in battle locations)



honestly i think if the lab size were like 500 instead of 50 i could've completed the turn in several HOURS less time.... half my turns everyturn involve shuffling items onto and off of item storage mules this is a really big design flaw in dom3 that the designers couldn't conceive of games big enough that players would need a bigger lab... maybe they thought no one would shuffle items around???

but if my lab was like 500spots big i could start my turn go around smashing lllllllllllllll then go around and equip items on units where they were needed.... instead i have to go around checking 1000commanders for 1specific item that i can't recall where it is stored to transfer it to one other specific commander then repeat repeat repeat

now i could just place all my storage mules in a row and organize by item type... BUT that doesn't work when you are using thugs as storage mules to defend against losing your "lab" to remote attack spells


conclusion... if we don't trend towards RICH and CROWDED then
maybe a rich game that was large but had abnormally low magical settings would reduce micromanagement time and still give people absurdly large numbers of mundane units to see die? and ... normalmanage ?
because really it's gems that are a biotch to micromanage... units and squads and commanders... while that requires a lot of time to micromanage... that's the FUN part!! i mean out of the 6hours i spent on my turn... the one hour i spent specifically laying out orders to battle units was the most fun hour.... and if I could've done the boring stuff in only ONE hour I might've spent TWO hours on battles and we might've had twice as many battles or 150% as many battles scripted 150% as cleverly

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all this time wasted on annoying micromanagement....


this is why I wanted to just let everyone fight over vp's until someone was near winning then just let us all battle it all out via a complex series of never ending teleport attack wars....


would've been a lot less real life time to manage ... maybe pythium would've been uniquely qualified to perform this type of warfare? but... I'd have been perfectly willing to stay on 1vp and let everyone else have a headstart at 4,5,or 6 because more than caring about maximizing my chances to win.... I wanted to minimize the amount of real life time it would take me to win in the unlikely event that I might win :)

my play has been far too sloppy for my own tastes yet still takes more time than I'm willing to spend a tough nickel to be stuck into!

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The armies of Man converge on Pythium's forces for an epic showdown. Or, will it be an epic letdown for Man? Only time will tell. But the armies of Man are brave, and ready for the fight. We will avenge our friends of Jotun.

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jotunheim had no desire to be avenged by you :-p

i have a feeling he would've rather died than waste his time submitting blank turns :-p

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Hey, a blank turn takes like, a minute to do? And it's the idiom of the thing. We have to be avenging somebody :)

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I'm having a vacation. Would it be possible to delay this turn 36 hours?

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Huh, 36? That's a lot, it's 12h added already because of Easter. You are sure you need 36h more?

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yay for 100h turns! He's just stunned by my awesome attack and needs a few weeks to figure out how to stop me. :)

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Well, the problem is that I took my laptop with me and was going to play from it and it takes hours to see every battle and my wife being on vacation is demanding quite some time.

But to be fair I do not need any more then 12 hours. I have agreed with my wife to let her shop around by herself tomorrow morning which should give me enough time to do my turn.

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I will add 24h then, if you can't do your turn, just let me know :)

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Ling's turn fuse starts to burn.

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Guys. Oceania requested an extension and his turn is in. But now we are waiting on Pythium and Shinuyama. Let's finish those turns. I want to play. We really shouldn't have to wait for folks who DIDN'T need extensions to do their turns.

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what spell can break a dome but leaves no message at all about what happened (besides the dome)?

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well whoever broke a dome of mine this turn... remember it... because you are the only player to break a dome of mine this turn... so after the game is over tell us because it's a mystery

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Maybe something like VotD? Or Winged Monkeys? And there were no appropriate targets.

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i was thinking manefestation and the angel decided to eat the caster

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Oh, good call, it could be that too.

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I am tired of fighting shinyuma on behalf of the world. I never had any interest in doing it ever all game. No one has bribed me or paid me to fight shinyuma. I am going to stop fighting shinyuma, I imagine under these conditions he'll be able to kill me pretty fast. Feel free to try to bribe/pay/convince me to fight shinyuma. Feel free to try and grab my provinces before he can (I will however reserve the right to attack other players)

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I think it is time to surrender to our goblin overlords. Is there anyone fighting them at the moment?

I can only congratulate Zeldor at forging such a stable alliance.

I do think I'm good at playing defensively but I will soon have a five front war that I will not be able to sustain for very long.

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Let's not give up yet. I don't think the goblins have won yet. I want to think on this.

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Do not worry. The game will not end before there is a general consensus. But I do not want to continue playing forever a game I'm not able to affect either so that is why I started this discussion.

By the way the last battle we had really shocked me.

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Well yes. My mage went off script. I've been complaining and *****ing about it on IRC ever since :) Very frustrating to have my ENTIRE army go home on round 3.

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Goblin overlords? Bah!. Man has no intention of giving the game to the Goblins.

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Maybe we should all gank Shin?

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I'm certainly against any attacks on Shinuyama.

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Just gank oceania first, I don't like them.

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I will be out for weekend, back on Tuesday. So if everyone needs extension or smth like that - contact Maerlande, I left him the admin pass.