Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The neo-standard images don't have specific kiloton values assigned to them. They are just images. It is up to the modder to decide how big that ship should be.

Or, more accurately, you could say that the modder creates a hull size and then decides which of the additional images fits it best.

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Does anyone know a shipset designer ready to create 66 pictures for a shipset ? Neo standard in its current Version ask a lot of work (more than most designers are ready to provide...) for the 20 supplementary pictures. But this neostandard++ seems far two wide.
Nethertheless, that's my opinion.

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well... there's mlmbd=-) Check out his new puntherraian (sp?) set.

I know what you mean though, that's why the ++ set has been kept seperate from the neostandard- to make it less imposing. Remember that all of these images are optional. For instance, my next set will probably have all the standard images, all the neostandard ones and maybe 3 or 4 ++ images.

[ March 13, 2003, 15:03: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

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dogscoff, <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I do understand, they are just images. However, PvK had a size in mind for his images. For instance the SpaceStation Large is 1000k and Battlestation Large is 2000k. So I can understand why someone might want to know the weights.

trooper, <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I won't take that personally. I for one will do 66 or more if necessary. You are a real killjoy.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Neo-Standard is more for Modders than ship designers. If you don't want to do the additional images, don't do them. But, if do not do the images the modders won't be inclined to use your shipsets!

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Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Hey mlmbd, check out this new page in the malfadorica. You can edit it if you like, and I've left it open for you to create pages for yourself and your new shipset: just click the appropriate question marks.

As for the tonnage sizes... I know what you mean, but the problem is that people then start thinking that the neostandard defines inflexible limits on what the images can and cannot be used for. If a modder wants to use the scout image to represent a 20000kt ultradreadnought, that's fine, but specifying tonnages contradicts that.

If someone wants to know how an image should look so he can make a shipset then it's probably best to say "between destroyer and light cruiser" or something like that. The "special" sizes (barge, infantry) need a little extra description.

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

In my opinion, a "standard" is something destined to be widely used...

BTW what mods use neostandard++ ?

Dogscoff, how long have you been working on kaneS ? try to finish it before SE V is released !
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[ March 13, 2003, 18:46: Message edited by: trooper ]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey! Give me a chance! I have to finish the Vikings first (I first started it June 2001 http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/shock.gif )

Seriously, I did upload some new KanesS ships yesterday...

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dogscoff, I missed the Starliner Large. I am going to talk to Fyron and see what other images he wants for his Mods. I asked PvK if there were any other images he wanted for Proportions Mod. He said that I had made all the images for the forseeable future. So the Neo-Standard ++ is at 12 additions. Would it seem right to keep adding to it until there are 20 total addtional images, over the Neo-Standard??

OH, Thanks for the malfadorica. WOW!!! http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

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[ March 13, 2003, 23:38: Message edited by: mlmbd ]

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

mlmbd: Go for it. I'm not sure that simply adding hulls to reach an arbitrary limit is necessarily a good idea, but if you can find them, use them.

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Well... go to the Adamant Mod web site (linked in my sig) and d/l the mod. Look in VehicleSizes.txt to see the sizes the mod is designed to use. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

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dogscoff, <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I guess what I said was confussing, SORRY! I am not going to arbitrarly add images. I mean to add images the Neo-Standard ++ until there are a total of 20. Modders would decide what those images would be. After those 20 slots are full just add another '+' to the Neo-Standard ++. Does that make more sense?

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Dogscoff, why does the Neo-Standard page still not mention anything about Adamant Mod? http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/tongue.gif

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Dogscoff, when you asked about updating the Cluk-Ruk you mentioned the Sat pictures were wrong.

On the neo standard page there ARE no sat pictures. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Can you update it, or at least post the standard names here?

EDIT: or are they on the ++ list?

[ June 04, 2003, 00:51: Message edited by: Phoenix-D ]

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Dogscoff:Legacy of the Ra'shrakil uses quite a few Neostandard Images and then some! Please update accordingly. Oh and Hughs beutifull rendition of my Azlokian also uses Neo-Standard images.

PS:Make a Generic Neostandard ++ Shipset! ^__^

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">OK, will do. Not sure when, but hopefully in the next few days.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yup. got that one- been up there for a week or two now=-)

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Uhhh... maybe. I did post a few generic starliners and an elite infantry a while back for proportions players, but I have no idea where to find it now. I think you'll find it in forthcoming Versions of proportions if nowhere else.

I might have a few other generic ++ images scuffing around here somewhere as well, but apart from that I'm afraid you'll have to find someone else or wait a looong time. I have a bit too much on my plate already- sorry.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes, they are, but even then I think there might be some confusion. However a quick look at existing sets with extra sat images (ie the Puntherraian, the Moonbeams, my KanesS and your ClukRuk) showed the most popular naming convention to be satellitesize rather than sizesatellite, so this is the one I imagine any mods which use the images would adopt. It also Groups the images together alphabeticallly in the folder=-)

Also, remember that there's no need to allocate a size to all three images: You can name any one of the three just "satellite" and let it fill the gap by default, ie satellitesmall, satellite, satellitelarge or satellite, satellitemedium, satellitelarge. These will display correctly if the mod has just "satellite" as the default for all three sizes.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah, sorry about the delay. Fixed now.

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It has been on the site for a while now, you just never posted in this particular thread about it. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif And come into #se4. http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

*dogscoff drags this dusty old thread out of the archives and mumbles an ancient curse. The thread stirs. It draws breath! It has been resurrected!

OK, anyone who actually gives a toss may have noticed that my lengthy hibernation is now over (for a while at least) and I have started updating my website again and trying to tie up some old projects that have been dragging on for waaaay too long.

Anyway, I'd like to bring the neostandard pages up to date. Once again could I please ask all modders and shipset creators to go to http://www.dogscoff.co.uk/neostand.htm and http://www.dogscoff.co.uk/neostandlist.htm to check that their beloved creations are not only listed but correctly listed, then post here with the information and/ or corrections I need to bring those pages up to date.

Please also feel free to use this thread to vent new and entertaining ways of expressing the fact that I'm a lazy, unproductive bastard who ought to be doing all this research himself rather than bothering all you nice people to do it for me. Your comments are unlikely to change the way I do things, but periodic bouts of verbal abuse do at least help to keep my outrageously inflated ego in check.

Thanks everyone.

[ April 04, 2004, 12:42: Message edited by: dogscoff ]

Re: The neo-standard thread- Standardising additional hull sizes.
 

Just moving it to the top for a day or so for the new members to read up on.