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Requesting 48 hour extension. Busy week + work all weekend = may need until Sunday eve to take my turn. Will attempt to be more expeditious as my schedule allows.

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Done, thanks for hanging there while we're still looking for sub! Tried once in irc will try again

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Gonna need input here, so far no sub has shown but in my experience one eventually does, I don't think we can be choosers here and go for newish players.

In the meantime, Arco can't really be allowed to AI or left in any length of limbo without messing up the game balance.

I suggest that once Groundworm can't hand in temp turns anymore, we put the game on hold until a sub is available, I haven't been able to hit irc on peak hours so if we're lucky we should find a sub soon.

Ideas?

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You do realize that casting Arcane Nexus is generally considered a declaration of war against the world, right?

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Nope we are not declaring war on the world, my global does not cause any direct aggressive action to others, it's no different then a gem income global like pyre or soul well, it's nature is exactly the same.

You are of course free to declare war on us.

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Hes right of course, Arcane nexus is basically starting to produce nukes, everyone is now going to come after you=/ It's considered a breaker of naps, truces, and a war dec on the world.

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Again, you're free to declare war on me, declaring on game leader or someone getting very strong is very understandable.

but calling gem income increase itself an aggressive action is a stretch, we are not committing aggressive actions anywhere, we're simply increasing our gem income, does this make us get stronger by the turn faster? Yes. Is increasing gem income itself aggressive action? No.

Otherwise all gem generating globals would be the same, as their nature are exactly the same if different in degrees.

I believe the confusion stems from that it's considered a breaker in that you can't leave the guy with nexus up for long without him running away with it, hence it's almost mandatory you declare war on the guy.

I will note though it's considered strongest on bigger maps , and it's effect while powerful, is certainly scaled down by corresponding degrees depending on map size.

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please welcome our Arco sub Allium, Groundworm should already have caught him up to speed.

Welcome Allium!

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As I understand it, the Dominions community standard is that the spells Arcane Nexus, Utterdark, Burden of Time, and Forge of the Ancients are implicit violations of NAPs.

This standard prevents lots of nitpicking and tedium when negotiating NAPs, because then not every violation of the NAP needs to be spelled out.

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Also, welcome Allium! :)

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Ah foolish druids,

Your whining gets old and smells like rotten fish, you should finish with whining and get on with it. If you want to attack, then attack, there's no need to justify your actions.

I've fought in incarnations with veteran incarnates where forge of ancients and burden did not get people bunching up their panties and cry foul (it did cause some nations to declare war in the case of burden of time, none did so for forge of the ancients), your cries of hard standards just sound hollow and ... well let me refrain in the name of tact.

We await you should you decide to do more then yip and yap.

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Hello, everyone!

Not that I really have a stake in this yet (need more time to look at the position), but I can't help but notice that mockingbird has both Arcane Nexus and Forge of the Ancients up in MonkeyParadise (which we're also both in) without getting war dec'd by the rest of the world.

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I jumped the gun earlier in this game when I assumed that Ragnar's Wolves was fully cognizant of his actions, when as it turned out he was merely clueless. I wished not to repeat my mistake.

If I sounded rude or curt, I apologize. Sleep and time have been very short for me lately. My posts were intended to be a courtesy; I'm sorry if they fell short.

At any rate, nothing I've said hasn't already been gone over in any of a number of threads about NAPs on this or the other forum.

As for MonkeyParadise, and not getting jumped for casting Arcane Nexus and Forge of the Ancients:

1) When I cast those spells, I only had a NAP with one of the four remaining players (Allium). Of the others, one was already at war with me, and another had declared hostile intent. I checked in advance in general terms to make sure that Allium would be okay with my actions. Since I was a bit vague about what I was going to do, I wouldn't have a problem if Allium changed strategy and decided to jump me, however.

2) I was at war with the (still) leading nation in the game, who was twice my size. Without those spells I would have been crushed. So really, the major reason I wasn't ganged up on immediately was that people were more afraid of the game leader.

3) The game leader then cast Astral Corruption, which massively irritated all the other players.

Mockingbird

PS My panties are wrinkle-resistant. It comes in handy!

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Can I have an extra day for this turn? Still figuring things out.

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Also, if there are any diplomatic agreements/negotiations I should know about, please inform me.

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Of course, extended.

Groundworm didn't update you?

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He has now, thanks.

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Just a quick heads up in case folks are wondering, I checked with Ulm and they are active, I presume the stales are planned stales (basically nothing to do).

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I would like a 24 hour extension to submit my turn, please.

Thank you.

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extended =)

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My apologies, but due to travel, I may need up to two days extension of my turn.

I will try to get it in sooner if I at all can.

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Done, 48 hrs extension

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I'm going to put next turn on hold and look for sub if ulm stales again.

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Sub found, please communicate diplo to Admiral Aorta for EA ulm.

Welcome!

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Hello everyone, I'm taking over Ulm, once I can find a copy of EDM 1.1.

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I will be needing a 1 day extension (and have done so) on this turn, the micro is getting reaaaally crazy! Good times =)

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Apologies, I'm starting to reach the 96 hr turn micro for this one.

Have extended this turn by 24 hrs due to massive amount of micro...

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Maybe we should permanently extend the turn limit? Micro's getting heavy for me too.

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Sounds good actually.

Any objections? I'll assume we're okay with 96 hrs turn starting next turn if no one says anything.

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I wouldn't mind 96 hours, though I personally am not finding the micro that bad. :)

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I've extended by 6 hrs as I won't make it home til a few hours later then I thought to wrap up the turn, apologies!

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That was a pretty crazy fight in Gladewood @.@

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That was... costly.

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No, I was wrong. That battle was cheap compared to this turn.

Oh, my poor communion. Stopped your 9 ember lords and friends, only to be undone by the turn limit.

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In hindsight, Mixing cold aura units with ember lords without parkas isn't a great idea!

On another note, I will be on vacation from 26th July - 16th August. A kind soul has offered to temp sub the duration, I'll post here once things are confirmed.

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Don_Pablo has graciously agreed to temp sub for me, hopefully he'll survive the Marvenian jade blood sac for the interim!

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Excuse me for rather late request but I need:

1. correct link to d/load map
2. delay for current turn (#104)

thanks!

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Done, map e-mailed to you.

24 hrs turn extension put through

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I've returned from vacation, thanks much to don pablo for the temp sub!

Added a 48 hr extension for myself as I the turn seem due within a day and I need to look through the turn in details.

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Hmmm... been clicking on turn resend a few times for the past 2 days and still haven't gotten the trn file yet (did get the e-mail on successful email address switch and time warning). Previously it looked like server was doing a quick hiccup (from looking at server time vs late updated time variance), I'll keep at it and will ask llama for help if it I still can't get the trn file in a bit.

Meanwhile, I've extended another 24 hrs and hope to resolve this problem by then, apologies everyone.

Edit: just got the trn file!

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I am prepared to concede the game to Yomi. There does not seem to be much point to playing things out further at this point from my perspective.

What do the rest of you think?

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I have no problem with that, I've been pretty much powerless for a while now anyway.

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I am (actually I'm guessing we all are) micro-fatigued to HELL, I have no reason to say no to ending the game.

I feel heavily horror marked with this game on my back.

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Horror marked or not, you played an excellent game. Congratulations on your victory!

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Oh yeah, I'm totally ready to concede. Congratulations Finalgenesis!

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Thanks everyone for a good game and some excellent endgame experience!