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I think it hurs Tien Chi more :P

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This is where the Sauro strategy worked perfectly. We have NO soldiers to pay!!

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Something weird happened this past turn that I'm at a loss to explain.

T'ien and I both attacked C'tis in the same province. T'ien went first and defeated C'tis, and then my forces moved in and engaged T'ien.

The battle summary shows that we lost the battle against T'ien, killing two out of his four Tartarians, but the battle replay shows that we won, enslaving one of them and killing the other three.

Does anyone know what might have happened?

Here's a screen-shot of the battle.

http://devnada.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/b44.jpg

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This is a well known bug where the battle replay doesn't match the battle report. The precise cause of this bug isn't known, but if you are using mods then sometimes having a slightly different version of a mod that the host computer is using can cause it. As such making sure you are using the exact same mods as the host computer can correct the replay. (keep in mind that the battle report is correct, and that it's the battle replay that's wrong. Or at least that's been the case in every example I've come across)

But this is not exclusively a mod bug, as it has also been seen in SP games without mods. Unfortunately it's just one of the bugs in the game that regular players have just learnt to accept. (as you either have to just accept it or stop playing)

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Thanks for the response Calahan.

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I've read that the bug can be caused by having a scout watching the battle, and I did have a scout there. I would guess that the game re-runs the battle for the observing scout rather than showing the first run, and then saves the re-run for viewing. The bug might be more common that we realize as often a small change in the battle won't get noticed. How many of us count survivors by type at the end of the battle?

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I think so too, although I'm not absolutely sure since T'ien Chi's battlemages are mostly throwing 100 Pre spells while mine use mostly aimed spells. Definitely least harmful for you, Szumo, and I guess that's a good level for a global in a 3-way fight.

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The battle was very close: I tried rerunning it a few times and changing the RNG, and the results would vary quite a bit. This was because everything hinged on whether I was able to enslave one of his Tartarians.

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I had to give myself a 12 hour delay. Next turn due: 01:40 GMT on Wednesday June 13th

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24 hour delay for myself and T'ien Chi.

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Well, I don't know what happened. I put in a 24 hour extension but the turn rolled anyway. Fortunately nobody launched a major attack on me last turn so it's not a major disaster.

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This happened to us earlier in this game as well. We don't know what happened at the time, but what's left of our high-command now suspects foul-play by the dastardly Lizardmen -- the same monsters that inflicted Utterdark on our world.

Why is this abominable enchantment still up? We demand that Helheim and T'ien stop warring with each other and exterminate the lizard menace once and for all.

Our children go to sleep at night hungry because there's no food, and are afraid to sleep because they might be eaten by some foul monster. Can someone please think of the children?!

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Actually this is a different problem. You sent a turn and the server got it - no stale - but you didn't have any moves executed. I didn't send my turn, because the server processed the turn before the time it said it would when I delayed the turn, and I staled.

I was really PO'd when it happened because I'd just spent an hour doing my turn and when I logged on to send it there was the new turn! Unfortunately my nephew was in the next room so I had to restrain my language. :o Plus, I later realized an Asynja had become Eater food so it wasn't quite as benign a stale as I'd thought. At least I was the only one affected so I didn't ruin somebody else's game.

But, this last turn went well for me so I guess I can't complain.

PS Helheim does think of the children. It thinks they can be good blood sacrifices when they grow up!

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We have nine hours left to host, and I'm the only one who's taken a turn. Hopefully, you guys are able to take your turns before we host.

Also, C'tis staled last turn. I'm not sure if it makes a difference at this point, but he strikes me as the type that would battle to the bitter end, so maybe we ought to tack on some time until we can confirm.

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I have already sent my next turn.

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I just sent mine in, and T'ien Chi asked for a 12 hour request last night (set this morning). Since I keep an eye on the timing, I can say that both T'ien Chi and I tend to come in just under the wire. In my case, the amount of work for a turn has long since reached the "I don't want to deal with all that micro right now" so I tend to procrastinate. It's a standard headache for Dom endgames, but it's still a headache.

My standard policy on staling is always to grant an extension if asked but only if asked. T'ien chi got caught out by that once IIRC so we shouldn't change it now.

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Damn, I missed my own extension. I should have asked for 24 hours, I suppose.

Sorry about that, guys.

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If your turns are anything like mine, there's a few things you really have to do and a lot that's just useful. Since we both tend to push the time limit anyway, we could turn off quick hosting so we could send in partial turns without risking a mess from early hosting.

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That's a good idea. I'd really prefer that, unless anyone objects.

To be honest, I feel we should have made some other win condition, rather than total conquest. The game is starting to drag on a bit, although it does make for excellent end game experience (something which I sorely need :)).

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My turns are nice and short :)

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Done. I'll switch back if anybody objects.

starting?

I am certainly learning a lot about the endgame. I was so proud of my kitting out of Magog to be the ultimate SC-disposer and then the Dimensional Rod didn't do squat plus he knocked himself out and basically snoozed the entire battle.

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Nice Szumo.

Citadel of the Lore Masters is right next to your capitol. No wonder you're research was so good in the beginning.

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game postponed 72 hours for international trip by T'ien Chi's player

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Didn't use them much for research, shamans were more cost effective with my scales.

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Thanks for the extension. I had to attend a wedding in Sweden, which kind of snuck up on me. I'm back now, and have handed in my turn.

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Had to give myself a 12 hour extension due to work crisis.

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Should we turn quick hosting back on?

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I'd rather not have quick hosting on at the moment. I was using it this turn - I sent in a partial (albeit mostly complete) turn Saturday, then squeezed in the completion about an hour before the roll. I admit I'm probably the only one benefitting at this point.

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That's cool with me. In one of my other games, my turns have grown so incredibly complicated that I'll usually start off sending a turn within the first 36 hours, and then send 2-3 revised turns afterward, so I feel your pain.

As far as this game goes, I have no chance of winning. The only reason I haven't gone AI yet is so I don't spoil the game for everyone else and I want to make the AAR interesting when I finally complete it.

As long as the other guys want to keep fighting, I'll hang in there until the bitter end, but I was so crippled by my war with C'tis and Utterdark that all I can field right now is a single semi-decent army.

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After a few setbacks this last turn, where we lost most of our territory to the dastardly Helheimians, what's left of our high-command convened an emergency session to discuss our precarious military situation and determined in an unanimous vote that we've still got this thing won.

Here's the master plan:

• Reform our army and put a smack-down on Helheim's sieges.
• Send an army to exterminate C'tis and his sinister lizard-men (he's still enemy #1).
• Boot out T'ien from our capitol (or whoever is squatting on it now)
• Kick Helheim's ***.
• Liberate the world.

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Sorry for staling again guys. I thought I had another day, until I saw the 12 hours notice this morning, before leaving for work.

To be honest, I think Curtadams has pretty much won at this point, but I'm willing to fight on, if that's what people (mostly Curt) want.

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I'm willing to halt my remorseless counter-offensive against Helheim and declare him the victor if Szumo concurs.

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I am very eager to end the game. I will cheerfully accept a concession by consensus. Szumo?

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Yes, it's obvious that Hellheim is the winner. Well done, and thanks for the game everybody.
I'll be waiting for the AAR revenant :)

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Congratulations! There was a time where I honestly thought this might be my first Dom3 win, but my lack of endgame experience hit me quite hard, I'm afraid. That and Utterdark. My plan was to end the horrible spell by taking C'tis, and killing whoever cast it, but sadly, my offensive ground to a halt, as my troops started deserting and dying from disease. When I finally decided to dispell it, Helheim had taken most of my territory.

Still, I had a number of kitted out tartarians and ember lords, but I just couldn't get them to work against Helheims SCs. I think I need some more endgame practice. :)

Anyway, thanks for the game everybody, it was fun, except for the end, which was kind of tedious. I think I'll demand that my next game has some other victory condition, besides total conquest. :)

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How many gems did you dispel Utterdark with?

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I think it was 200.

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The problem with dispelling Utterdark by the time you did it was that I had about 2/3 of the world. So even though you got more mileage out of your money due to better mages, I had so much more money it was a net benefit to me. With the money I got, I was gearing up for a domkill, which I hadn't been able to do earlier since I couldn't recruit the Vanjarls I needed. The dispel would probably have sped up the win as the domkill was only going to take a few turns (I think...) while grinding through all the forts and stomping the wandering Tartarians would have taken quite a while.

Flop, it wasn't that your SCs were bad, it's that I avoided fighting them except on my terms. The fights were pretty much either army fights where I had a much larger army (and generally more SCs as well) or where I airdropped SCs designed to kill the specific ones you had there. The one way they weren't the best was that a lot had equip and scripts to jump into the back and attack, which would be very effective against a mage army but less so against my armies, which were more thug-oriented.

Now Szumo's SCs, yeesh. I think at one point I lost 5 SC battles in a row. That was certainly a learning experience!

Great game, thanks everybody!

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Great game everyone and congrats Curt!

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I'll start updating it again after my other game (BSoD) is done.