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llamabeast July 9th, 2012 06:22 AM

Re: The Joys of Overzealous Moderators
 
Yep, that's the plan.

Soyweiser July 9th, 2012 06:25 AM

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I don't know if shrapnel is open to community suggestions. Perhaps that can be done. (Not that I know of any that would be good enough, and impartial enough to do it).

Valerius July 9th, 2012 10:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Soyweiser (Post 808142)
(Not that I know of any that would be good enough, and impartial enough to do it).

I agree that it's tough to find the right people. Perhaps an Abysian-style llamabred program to develop new mods is called for?

llamabeast July 9th, 2012 10:29 AM

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I am open to suggestions, that I can pass on. PM me.

Executor July 9th, 2012 10:47 AM

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Not to sound pessimistic but, first you'd have to find someone who should be able to do the job as it should be done. Someone trustworthy, objective, someone the community likes. Needless to say there aren't too many people like that left. Next you need to persuade that member to actually take on the moderator duties. I don't think that will be easy to do with all that happened so far. A lot of people, especially vets and long time members carry grudges against Shrapnel. And last, you need to find someone who the Shrapnel staff will actually be willing to have as a moderator here, which probably eliminates all of the people here.
So I don't really see this happening. Though I hope I'm wrong!

I just think this all happened about two-three years too late to make any difference. :(

brxbrx July 9th, 2012 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Valerius (Post 808146)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Soyweiser (Post 808142)
(Not that I know of any that would be good enough, and impartial enough to do it).

I agree that it's tough to find the right people. Perhaps an Abysian-style llamabred program to develop new mods is called for?

What will we do with all the foulspawn?

Admiral_Aorta July 9th, 2012 07:21 PM

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the same thing shrapnel already does with them, nothing!

parone July 9th, 2012 07:44 PM

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i love foul spawn

Gandalf Parker July 9th, 2012 07:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral_Aorta (Post 808159)
the same thing shrapnel already does with them, nothing!

Of course not. Foulspawn are quantity. Quantity over quality.

legowarrior July 9th, 2012 08:00 PM

Re: The Joys of Overzealous Moderators
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker (Post 808161)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Admiral_Aorta (Post 808159)
the same thing shrapnel already does with them, nothing!

Of course not. Foulspawn are quantity. Quantity over quality.

As Patton said, Quantity has a quality all of its own.

Bwaha July 9th, 2012 08:19 PM

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That is attributed to Stalin btw.

I nominate Gandalf Parker for the position of a mod.

I think he's got the best temperament of this forum...

:D

jimbojones1971 July 9th, 2012 10:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by parone (Post 808160)
i love foul spawn

Dude, keep your love life out of this! Unless you want to PM me some pictures of this foul spawn loving, that is ...

jimbojones1971 July 9th, 2012 10:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwaha (Post 808163)
That is attributed to Stalin btw.

I nominate Gandalf Parker for the position of a mod.

I think he's got the best temperament of this forum...

:D

For a moment there, before I fully read your post, I thought you were equating Gandalf with Stalin. My first reaction was "nah, he's more of an Eisenhower, with that penchant he has for planning out massive campaigns". Doh! :doh:

rdonj July 10th, 2012 02:52 PM

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Yeah, I don't think gandalf would be the ideal man for the job. He actually reads the forums, which is a start, but he hasn't played multiplayer on this forum in a long time, which makes him somewhat unsuitable to moderate the MP forum, and is not really placed to represent the community as a whole. I'm not sure there is an ideal man for the job, and I'd hate to ask anyone to step into that position because there's a very large, gaping hole between different parts of the community and shrapnel itself. It would be a painful job. It needs someone more or less impartial that the dom3mods crowd can respect and trust to understand their point of view, or getting new moderators will accomplish nothing.

Korwin July 10th, 2012 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Soyweiser (Post 808116)
Edi: I sometimes post irc logs that answer questions that get asked here. The people that answer the question are banned. Am I not allowed to do that?

(I leave the nicknames visible in the irc logs to provide proper attribution).

Posting an link to z7 with the answers there sounds like an solution...?

Edi July 10th, 2012 05:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rdonj (Post 808194)
Yeah, I don't think gandalf would be the ideal man for the job. He actually reads the forums, which is a start, but he hasn't played multiplayer on this forum in a long time, which makes him somewhat unsuitable to moderate the MP forum, and is not really placed to represent the community as a whole. I'm not sure there is an ideal man for the job, and I'd hate to ask anyone to step into that position because there's a very large, gaping hole between different parts of the community and shrapnel itself. It would be a painful job. It needs someone more or less impartial that the dom3mods crowd can respect and trust to understand their point of view, or getting new moderators will accomplish nothing.

Sooooo... Are you volunteering...?

Because that post right there is something I would expect from someone who was suitable material for a new moderator. *grin*

Soyweiser July 10th, 2012 08:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Korwin (Post 808196)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Soyweiser (Post 808116)
Edi: I sometimes post irc logs that answer questions that get asked here. The people that answer the question are banned. Am I not allowed to do that?

(I leave the nicknames visible in the irc logs to provide proper attribution).

Posting an link to z7 with the answers there sounds like an solution...?

I don't see how that is different in any way from just posting the text. It is still allowing the banned users a voice.

Also, sounds like a lot of work. ;) (it is already done in places).

rdonj July 10th, 2012 09:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Edi (Post 808200)
Quote:

Originally Posted by rdonj (Post 808194)
Yeah, I don't think gandalf would be the ideal man for the job. He actually reads the forums, which is a start, but he hasn't played multiplayer on this forum in a long time, which makes him somewhat unsuitable to moderate the MP forum, and is not really placed to represent the community as a whole. I'm not sure there is an ideal man for the job, and I'd hate to ask anyone to step into that position because there's a very large, gaping hole between different parts of the community and shrapnel itself. It would be a painful job. It needs someone more or less impartial that the dom3mods crowd can respect and trust to understand their point of view, or getting new moderators will accomplish nothing.

Sooooo... Are you volunteering...?

Because that post right there is something I would expect from someone who was suitable material for a new moderator. *grin*

Ugh, no. I don't think so. Not unless someone wanted to pay me :P

Radio_Star July 12th, 2012 03:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Edi (Post 808200)
Quote:

Originally Posted by rdonj (Post 808194)
Yeah, I don't think gandalf would be the ideal man for the job. He actually reads the forums, which is a start, but he hasn't played multiplayer on this forum in a long time, which makes him somewhat unsuitable to moderate the MP forum, and is not really placed to represent the community as a whole. I'm not sure there is an ideal man for the job, and I'd hate to ask anyone to step into that position because there's a very large, gaping hole between different parts of the community and shrapnel itself. It would be a painful job. It needs someone more or less impartial that the dom3mods crowd can respect and trust to understand their point of view, or getting new moderators will accomplish nothing.

Sooooo... Are you volunteering...?


Because that post right there is something I would expect from someone who was suitable material for a new moderator. *grin*

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/1425-its-a-trap.gif

Gandalf Parker July 14th, 2012 05:44 PM

Re: The Joys of Overzealous Moderators
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwaha (Post 808163)
I nominate Gandalf Parker for the position of a mod.
I think he's got the best temperament of this forum...
:D

And my temperament was much better. The first time I did it. ;)
Thanks for the vote. But I was one of the first mods here. I stepped down due to medical and financial concerns. Things are looking better, but not that much better that Id want to take this on again.

Bwaha July 15th, 2012 06:24 PM

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Oh, you need some help? I'll PM you a patentable invention... ;)

Gandalf Parker July 15th, 2012 07:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bwaha (Post 808402)
Oh, you need some help? I'll PM you a patentable invention... ;)

Oh Bwaha, you should know me better than that by now.
Im the one voted "most likely to waste his potential". :smirk: I have loads of patentable ideas in my notebooks. Each one gets me lots of "really, you should patent that" responses. Its not the ideas I lack. I have half a century of that already.

But I have a plan. When I win the lottery I will simply hire others who are more workaholic to make them happen. But until then, I will just continue spewing them out for others to snag on if they want to :target:


Gandalf Parker
--
I have a very fertile mind. Just throw me a subject. I can fertilize anything.
(wait, that didnt come out right)

Bwaha July 15th, 2012 08:19 PM

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You ought to take it and use it. I've got a load of others as well...

Most of mine are of a military nature and thus doomed to obscurity...

(The navy hated my anti-torpedo point defense)...

Screw darpa and their cronies...

Gandalf Parker July 16th, 2012 10:41 AM

Re: The Joys of Overzealous Moderators
 
Back to Topic (kindof)
I dont have any major complaints toward the Moderators here (of course).
But, if you feel that you do, then it seems you have been given a chance to suggest who you feel could help out.

Someone who could help out in a specific forum? Such as the MultiPlayer forum?
Or someone who could mediate discussions in multiple forums? Such as Dom3 in general in all of the ways it is played?
Or even someone who could mediate problems in any/all game forums here?

Such suggestions will get passed on. You can post them, or email them, or PM them to Mods, Staff, or even ex-Staff like me. Otherwise, Id expect the complaints to start falling off. :)

Amhazair July 16th, 2012 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gandalf Parker (Post 808414)
Otherwise, Id expect the complaints to start falling off. :)

Yes, because a vague plan to possibly get more moderators (which I most certainly have no beef with in and of itself) hinted at by two co-moderators who are only passing on what they heard, without any explanation by the Shrapnel staff themselves about what way they intend to go with the forum (If, in fact they do actually want to make changes, and aren't just organizing some window dressing) nor any explanation* about their reasoning in this debacle is certain to reconcile all the malcontents after years of neglect and/or open disagreement. Yep, that should work. And the number of complaints falling off is undisputable proof of it, and nothing to do with any feelings of hopelessness and/or arguing with a stone wall.


* Note that:

1) I don't mean to disrespect Edi's nor Llama's posts, in fact I was quite happy with them, but neither had anything to do with the bannings or knew what was actually going on. And

2) I don't actually expect any statement from Shrapnel staff to actually be helpuful in any way, though I'm allways ready to be pleasantly surprised. In fact the one thing they appear to have learned from the Sombre debacle is that trying to defend their actions only makes them look worse. ;)

Gandalf Parker July 16th, 2012 01:22 PM

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Yes I guess you are correct. The owners specifically did not say they were going to change what they want here.
And you are correct that the offer to pass on suggestions has never affected the flow of "opinions" here. Not if offered as a direct feed to mods, or staff, or devs, or authors, or admins. Thank you for reminding me of that. I now return you to your regularly scheduled activities.

* Note that:
The offer still stands. Others can take note that I specifically mentioned anyone could make use of email or PM as an alternative method of making a suggestion rather than posting to this thread.

LDiCesare July 19th, 2012 12:10 PM

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Just saw Calahan's ban.
That's even more retarded than Sombre's ban.

Mozkito September 11th, 2012 10:32 PM

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I don't post often but I've lurked for a long time and... I've seen things. /sigh
I always liked Calahan. :(


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