Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

If it's not too late to vote for the mine icons, I like the first one you posted, the Yellow background with the skull. Those seem to really stand out.
Just my 2 cents.

Steves308

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

Right now I am leaning towards a "sign" rather than just a skull and bones using the later skull graphic in either yellow or red.....so far.

I'm looking for a balance between standing out and being a distraction but for sure there would be an option for players to use the original SSI ones if they wanted

What I have found though that triangular signs tend more to point downwards than upwards, they also tend more to red

That said there are hundreds of variations

https://kinmen.travel/image/10418/?r=1538719824293



Just to throw fuel on the fire

https://i.imgur.com/UoxoxMP.png

I am liking these...........

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

About human wave tactics. People recruited by Wagner PMC as cannonfodder They are killed not only for retreat but also for begin catch. Like in WW2 if you became a POW you became a traitor.

Here is story of one of them Yevgeny Nuzhin (Murderer in penal colony since 1999)
https://belsat-eu.translate.goog/pl/..._x_tr_pto=wapp

https://belsat-eu.translate.goog/pl/..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Here shortly after became POW he talks with someone from press
https://www-polsatnews-pl.translate...._x_tr_pto=wapp

Ukrainian side said that he was strong admirer of USSR and allow his exchange for 20 their soldiers :confused:
https://belsat-eu.translate.goog/pl/..._x_tr_pto=wapp

But his execution is not end of the story CEO of Wagner Group about him
And on the end TOOL used by PMC Wagner "employes" to kill him still with his blood was send to European Parliament like in classical mafia movies :( this is a sad story of one of this criminals from human waves units.
https://www-polsatnews-pl.translate...._x_tr_pto=wapp

Here another person Viktor Sevalniev (also from penal colony he became a commander of separatist unit because he fought before in Chechenia 1999) He was killed not because his own actions but because some of his soldiers deserted.

this is what he says to his wife in last words through phone:
https://belsat-eu.translate.goog/pl/..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Now even if we know that they are often criminals hope that some of them are not totally anonymous human wave. Also recruits which aren't any criminals are used and disciplined in similar way. Here for example Andriej Miedwiediew who escaped not so long time ago to Norway.

https://defence24-pl.translate.goog/..._x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lMOvPi2BEw

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

Loving the mine graphics (yellow triangles my favourite), however just a thought: how would they interact with objective flags?

Does the mine sign need to be larger to show under a objective marker/flag? or raised/lowered in the hex?

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It would be the same as the normal mine symbols under a V hex are now

With the first test example I built, the top of triangle shows above the V-hex and the number of mines below it. I have not tested the latest ones but you raise a good point and I will ensure the V hexes do not hide them though through preferences while playing you can turn the V hexes on and off to check things like that

I just built a simulation and the last inverted triangle example I built would show a bit of yellow above and below a V-hex flag alerting a player to the mines there and that is actually a bit better than it has been up until now as a single mine would not show under a V-Hex flag and only be really obvious with three-four



EDIT ----And there is always.......
\ - Enable or disable the display of victory hexes.**

that has no effect on mines but it allows you to check under a V-hex

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I like this red downward triangle looks more like this sign used on last war but that is always an issue of individual taste and good visibility on map especially in far away zoom mode.
https://i.imgur.com/UoxoxMP.png

Some proposition this mines option may have a button in game interface typically we will have standard mines icons like now but when you click that button you can change minefield representation to other icon and you can in that way cycle through many minefields icons and chose that what is best for your taste. In that way will be possible to use all the icons which Don present to us. Problem with solution is that will need some addition to game code ;) that button which need cycle through new SHP file icons. Plus of that solution is that in SPWW2 if that code also will be added we can have "Achtung Minen" sign. Probably one shp may be dedicated just for signs from various parts of the world. Just proposition to consideration :)

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While I can see how the ability to cycle through various mine/sign graphics that allow players to try different representations would be a 'nice" addition it overcomplicates what was intended to be a simple swap file exercise like the Alternate German flags in SPww2

Also, while Red is indeed the predominant colour used on these signs in real life the issue for Red, that the question about how they would work with V hexes pointed out, Red is used a lot more for flags than yellow is.

OTOH a red sign on the game map is a bit more subdued and less eye-catching than Yellow

I have not made up my mind one way or the other

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Just curious, would these be a player option to use or not?

Regards,
Pat
:capt:

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Pat, as I said in the previous post.......

There would be a folder in the Graphics folder with the old and the new and simple instruction on how to copy them

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This is an example of how the inverted red triangle version would look In the game

https://i.imgur.com/YcpIM4T.png

The tiny left side shows what it would look like fully zoomed out which is more clear than the existing set

The middle example is the standard 1:1 level that the game starts up with

The right side is zoomed all the way in

I used Uganda as it had a colourful flag. Note the "tail" of the mine sign can clearly be seen under a V hex flag indicating there are mines there


A further refinement of placement in hex. This lowers the inverted triangle so that the skull symbol is in the middle of the hex but the "tail" of the triangle now hangs fully down below a V hex flag and the four different levels of mines laid can be clearly seen

https://i.imgur.com/iA5IVWC.png

NO decision has been made as to which or even if for sure they will be added

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And becasue I know I'm going to asked.......

https://i.imgur.com/frmX7jq.png

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If anyone wants to have a look at this here's the file for the last red inverted triangle and the instructions

INSTRUCTIONS

Go to the winSPMBT GRAPHICS folder and find Icon0014.SHP... make a copy so you can change it back if you so desire.

After making that copy, extract the ZIP that is attached below to the same folder. It will ask if you want to overwrite the existing file. Click yes BECASUE YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE A COPY BACKUP.....YES?

......so don't extract this until you have made that copy

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

Mirror Mirror on the wall!! which minefield is fairest of them all?
some allusion to German speaking country's yellow WW2 minefield sign :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaP...87_protesting/

Interview with Author ;)
https://www-polskieradio-pl.translat..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

The NATO (and incidentally Chinese) poison gas, biological, and fallout symbols are usually black on yellow.

Mines are typically black on blue (friendly) or black on red (enemy).

No blue or red for gas/bio/nuke cause they're not friendly to anyone!

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see post 202

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

GOOGLE "minefield warning signs"

You WILL see a lot of white on red.
You WILL see some that are black on yellow with the word MINES
You WILL see some that are predominantly white with a red border and a black skull

What you won't find is black on blue or black on red

So if you find some examples of these rare signs please do share

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

These look simply fantastic! Graphically and artistically supreme!

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I have a smaller version I am going to see how it looks when actually placed on the map..... this is just a simulation with the smaller version on the right

Does the same job and is just as recognizable but its about 14% smaller

https://i.imgur.com/YBb6cDv.png

It may not seem like much but it would on a crowded map

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ADP 1-02 Terms and Military Symbols

COLOR (FILL)
The default colors used to designate standard identity are blue for friendly or assumed friend, red for hostile or suspect, green for neutral, and yellow for unknown or pending.

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None of those are commonly used to denote the locations of mines on the ground

"green for neutral" NEUTRAL MINES ? That has more to do with maps

When I said "examples," I thought it was clear that meant an actual photo of a sign in use on the ground, in a conflict area

That said, WYSIWYG and if WYS isn't to your liking the original mines will still be in the game files

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

Normally minefields aren't marked until after the attacking side finds them, and the defenders would have their minefields marked on their maps by grid coordinates and standard NATO/WP markings, depending on doctrine.

The signs you posted look like what comes after they are found and thus put so everyone knows to stay away. But as you said, we don't have to use them if we don't like them. Really don't see the need to change the icons at all.

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

I will be leaving the mine files that are there now as the default and I will be placing a new folder into the Graphics folder and instructions for anyone who would rather use the signs and there will be a backup default set will be there as well which is how the alternate German Flags in SPww2 are set up

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And such signs are often improvised because almost no one carries a truckload or two of signs they might, or might not, have a use for around.

Re: Ukraine 2021(?)
 

Something of interest to map makers regarding Ukraine

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...=768&h=431&m=6

note the wide band of trees alongside roads