Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 835159)

Things I have my eye on or another way of saying I'm txxxxxxg these...
Iran - It appears they have a new tank running around, and I would concur it's armed with a 125mm MG based on the Russian armor they already possess. It does look somewhat like the T-90MS though I wouldn't expect it to be of the same quality. The tank is named the KARRAR.
http://www.armyrecognition.com/augus..._12608161.html

Regards,
Pat
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Originally Posted by shahadi (Post 835170)

You might find the following interesting as did I: "And the T-90 is tough. In a rare glimpse of the machine in combat in February, an American-made TOW anti-tank missile fired by rebel fighters hit a Syrian T-90 but appeared to only cause minor damage." Source: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...he-world-17468.

And the following: "For all the videos coming out of the Syrian civil war, a one minute, 31-second clip of a U.S.-made TOW missile slamming into a T-90 tank got more attention than most. In the video uploaded in February, Russia’s most advanced operational battle tank met one of the United States’ main tank killers on the battlefield." Source: https://warisboring.com/what-a-t-90-...65f#.aeve4bu32.

https://sites.google.com/site/mywins...Q-b616UoEB.jpg

"The Research Institute of Steel, a Russian company which makes reactive armor plates for the T-90, was pleased. The crew lived, according to Russian press reports, and the only visible damage was on one of the T-90’s two Shtora transmitters, which hanged limp in the photograph."

I take away that the Russian T-90 is a hybrid of a T-80 turret mounted on a T-72 chassis, so it should not be much of a surprise of an Iranian variant as they plenty of T-72's (or had). Furthermore, the real prize is the reactive armor, do the Iranian produce quality reactive armor, and finally, that Syrian crewed T-90's Shtora's electro-optical jammer either failed to jam the TOW or, it did not switch on when fired upon. Do the Iranians have capable ECM?

As Iran becomes more embedded with Syrian forces and Iraqi forces, what they put on the battlefield is of utmost concern.

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Originally Posted by Suhiir (Post 835172)

Then there's always the question of just where was it hit? Someplace that would have caused destruction or in a bustle rack?

Originally Posted by FASTBOAT TOUGH (Post 835196)

Well I'll throw in my "two sense" here...
1. The T-90 pictured does not appear to have the latest version of the SHTORA Protection System on it which is now in a 2nd GEN and am not a 100% but possibly 3rd GEN currently or under development.

2. That TOW had to be a TOW 2A which was the first of the 2nd GEN TOW Systems.

3. The source (With our approval.) of supple was from Saudi Arabia which received in. never mind from one of my refs (Verified by SIPRI as well.)

"Saudi Arabia signed two foreign military sale (FMS) agreements with the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) in December 2013. The first FMS worth $170m covers 750 BGM-71 2B TOW missiles, seven Fly-to-Buy TOW2B missiles, 1,000 BGM-71 2A TOW missiles, seven Fly-to-Buy TOW2A missiles, and the support equipment.

The second FMS worth $900m covers 9,650 BGM-71 2A TOW RF missiles, 4,145 BGM-71 2B TOW Aero RF missiles, 91 TOW-2A Fly-to-Buy missiles, 49 TOW-2B Fly-to-Buy missiles, and the associated equipment."
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tow/

Kind of obvious to me they received several thousand more advanced TOW systems and the BGM-71 2A is not a training missile because you can buy them separately and they'd be cheaper as well. The date of the sale and delivery to the Saudis and Syrian rebels makes this a "home run" to me.

Rest of the Refs...
http://www.businessinsider.com/syria...n-syria-2016-2
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sile-WINS.html

Regards,
Pat
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Trying to beat the edit clock!! :eek: Was trying to find something quick on SHTORA and came across this on the incident being discussed. Read the next VERY CLOSELY if true, though I stand buy what I posted above, I don't know if I should leave it as "those dumb M..... and end it as you choose or just laugh!!!! SUHIIR already knows that answer, me being a retired "Bubblehead", yeah I did both.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...who-wins-15638